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Obama orders Miranda rights in Afghanistan
examiner.com ^ | June 10, 2009 | David Leach

Posted on 11/17/2009 10:34:10 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Well, now we know why Obama doesn't use the term "war on terror" anymore - he doesn't consider terrorism an act of war. Instead, he has taken us back to the days of Bill Clinton, when terrorist acts were treated like a "crime."

In a story reported in The Weekly Standard , Representative Mike Rogers (R-Mich) is accusing the Obama administration of ordering the F.B.I. to read Miranda rights to detainees being held at U.S. military facilities in Afghanistan.

This is creating a great deal of damage on the battlefield, not to mention how it is affecting the security of our military men and women overseas. Said Rogers:

I witnessed it myself, talked to the people on the ground. What you have is two very separate missions colliding in the field in a combat zone. Again, anytime that you offer confusion in that environment that's already chaotic and confusing enough, you jeopardize a soldier's life.

Why would Obama issue such an order? It's all a part of a policy shift referred to as the new "global justice initiative," which was described in a May 28th Los Angeles Times article:

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghan; bho44; impeachbho44; mirandarights; obama; war
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I know this is a dated article. June 10th, but for some reason it has not made the MSM news cycle.
1 posted on 11/17/2009 10:34:13 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Old or not: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


2 posted on 11/17/2009 10:35:50 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

What a jackass!


3 posted on 11/17/2009 10:36:31 AM PST by A. Morgan (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. Lawrence)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.


4 posted on 11/17/2009 10:36:49 AM PST by Red Badger (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

The solution is to kill ‘em all - take no prisoners.


5 posted on 11/17/2009 10:36:52 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

This is from the Onion - right? .... right?...


6 posted on 11/17/2009 10:38:30 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Yes. Shoot to kill first. Worry about giving Miranda rights later.


7 posted on 11/17/2009 10:40:53 AM PST by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Giving our enemies Aid and Comfort is treason.


8 posted on 11/17/2009 10:41:20 AM PST by voveo
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

bookmark


9 posted on 11/17/2009 10:41:24 AM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Thanks for re-posting but it still hasn’t made the MSM.


10 posted on 11/17/2009 10:41:29 AM PST by kempster
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

A bullet is a lot less complicated.


11 posted on 11/17/2009 10:43:36 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

In light of this decision coming down 5 to 6 months ago, how does this play with Mr. Holder’s horrendous decision to make the trials of KSM and the other 9.11 conspirators a federal civilian case and not a military case?

This seems to set the table for a mistrial or outright dismissal, based on the fact that none of these animals was mirandized. If they were, please correct me, but I have read nothing about it.

I sure wish someone would connect those dots; that could be extremely uncomfortable for Zero.


12 posted on 11/17/2009 10:44:22 AM PST by the lone haranguer (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8)
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To: SERKIT

The LATimes skirt vchased the issue. The weekly Standard reported this. I just did a search. No AP,politico,MSNBC, no MSM reports.


13 posted on 11/17/2009 10:46:54 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: the lone haranguer

Agreed, this is precisely why I posted this for this very discussion as well as; of course, the MSM ignored this fact.


14 posted on 11/17/2009 10:48:42 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: voveo

Exactly, aiding and abetting terrorists.


15 posted on 11/17/2009 10:50:08 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

“You have the right to remain silent - permanently!”


16 posted on 11/17/2009 10:52:48 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: the lone haranguer

I have read where the 9/11 terrorists are all lawyered up and it has been insinuated that the terrorists were tortured and treated so badly and not read their miranda rights. So logic prevails they would walk scott free AFTER BUSH/CHENEY/CIA are put on trial for torture.

I pray not but the writings on the wall.


17 posted on 11/17/2009 10:54:13 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Red Badger

You just documented article 1 of an impeachment trial of Barack Hussein Obama.


18 posted on 11/17/2009 10:56:15 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Miranda rights to jihadis on the battlefield? First i’d heard of this. Maybe Andrea Mitchell will fact-check this for us. ;o)


19 posted on 11/17/2009 10:58:29 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance
The Insanity Of The Global Justice Initiative
20 posted on 11/17/2009 11:02:58 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

First thought at sight of title:

What is our LAW? Upon WHAT law does he make this order?


21 posted on 11/17/2009 11:03:37 AM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: SERKIT

Oh brother!They shouldn’t have that BS in AMERICA! (One more 1960s pile of horsecrap for us to keep stepping in)


22 posted on 11/17/2009 11:04:23 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland (Dreams from My Father--food, shelter, and education from some typical white folks)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

What say you, Gen. Patton? Or you, Gen. MacArthur? Or you, Admiral Halsey? Or you, Gen. LeMay?


23 posted on 11/17/2009 11:04:39 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Miranda rights are supposedly established under the Constitution. Is Obama claiming the authority of the US Constitution extends to foreign countries? If not, under what authority does he submit they have those rights?


24 posted on 11/17/2009 11:06:37 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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bm


25 posted on 11/17/2009 11:07:08 AM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Forgive my ignorance, but doesn’t the media ignore most anything resembling a fact? :)


26 posted on 11/17/2009 11:08:47 AM PST by the lone haranguer (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Forgive my ignorance, but doesn’t the media ignore most anything resembling a fact? :)


27 posted on 11/17/2009 11:08:56 AM PST by the lone haranguer (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Blue Highway

You can’t interrogate the dead, unfortunately.

You could, however, interrogate, arrange for their escape, and then shoot them as they run.

I guess you have to think outside the box a little.


28 posted on 11/17/2009 11:10:15 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: tacticalogic

The authority vested in him BECAUSE HE WON and he wants to blame and bash Bush and suck up to the crony U.N. and socialist Europe/Russia/China that hates us anyway and talk down our country and put Bush/Cheney/ and the CIA on trial.
He got a freaking peace prize as his authority.

All awhile he could give a rats petard about terror at Fort Hood.


29 posted on 11/17/2009 11:12:06 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
"U.S. commanders told FOX News soldiers are not reading Miranda rights to detainees, but those commanders could not speak to whether the FBI was doing so."

The practice has not been instituted at detention facilities in Iraq or at Guantanamo Bay, according to U.S. senior military officials. Asked if the Obama administration had ordered that Miranda rights be read to certain detainees, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, "I have no reason to disbelieve a member of Congress. But I don't know any of the circumstances that are involved around it." But Gibbs acknowledged that it wouldn't be a surprise to find out that it was happening. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd denied there has been a policy change covering detainees. "There has been no policy change nor blanket instruction for FBI agents to Mirandize detainees overseas," he said in a statement, adding, "While there have been specific cases in which FBI agents have Mirandized suspects overseas, at both Bagram and in other situations, in order to preserve the quality of evidence obtained, there has been no overall policy change with respect to detainees." Some senators wonder what would have happened if Khaled Sheikh Mohammad, a self-confessed architect of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, had been read his Miranda rights. "I'd be very concerned if we're sending FBI agents over to Bagram Air Base in the middle of a military operation to start reading Miranda rights to detainees caught on the battlefield," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said.

30 posted on 11/17/2009 11:13:15 AM PST by anglian
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Is it illegal to hope and pray that Obama dies soon ?

the only down side would be all the weeping by his zombie drones for months, and having to see his name on airports and libtaries for the next 100 years

31 posted on 11/17/2009 11:14:45 AM PST by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
He got a freaking peace prize as his authority.

Then he gets all the respect and consideration the Constitution demands for someone with such a claim of authority.

32 posted on 11/17/2009 11:17:47 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: the lone haranguer
Yes they do and you are not ignorant.

But don't you think that since Obama and Holder are giving 9/11 terrorists a fair trial with mom and apple pie in NY that the very reasoning of the GLOBAL PEACE INITIATIVE and Obama's orders/ROE killing our soldiers are relevant FACTS they should atleast by now be reporting?

The media are covering for a man that is breaking the law and the very oath to which he took and backing him by ignoring terrorisim on OUR OWN SOIL AT FORT HOOD? This is beyond words--- it is even beyond DISGUSTING!

RANT OVER. I apologize but I am so mad I could spit nails.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

33 posted on 11/17/2009 11:21:56 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: anglian

A report on a radio show mentioned that in the case of KSM at least, a “clean” FBI team without access to intel info but armed with US Court level evidence, restarted the questioning process and that this info, not the classified stuff, will be the basis of the trial.

This confirms your post, despite the official denials, that there are teams of FBI gathering evidence etc, for some HVT’s in Afghanistan.


34 posted on 11/17/2009 11:29:22 AM PST by swarthyguy (THERE WILL BE A BLOODBATH - Matthew Hoh/MSNBC on what happens when US leaves)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

“All awhile he could give a rats petard about terror at Fort Hood.”

Thinking Anew—Security Priorities for the Next Administration

PROCEEDINGS REPORT OF THE HSPI PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TASK FORCE
April 2008-January 2009

One of the persons helping to define our security.

PAGE 29

Nidal Hasan
Uniformed Services University School of Medicine

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/pttf_proceedingsreport_05.19.09.pdf

Connecting the DOTS, Obama Muslims and Terrorism


35 posted on 11/17/2009 11:29:48 AM PST by scgator
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To: tacticalogic

Yes the part of the Constitution that says

All Presidents that obtain a peace prize in office, that are half black, called to be the messiah by Lous Farrakhan and Fidel Castro; that’s wife wears high waisted ugly belts and spends potloads of money on date nights, everything he wants and sees and halloween decorations all while picking out a cool puppy and doing shout outs from his teleprompter and funds his slush funds and crony mob thug lowlifes with communists and czars that proclaim the trees can sue us; Can and SHALL put the country in danger and play lawyer on TV, scream preach propaganda in corruption, utilize taxpayer money to pay for propaganda commercials, bow to all emperors and rich sheiks like Erkel the retard and be on retainer for terrorists.


36 posted on 11/17/2009 11:32:56 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Blood is shooting from my eyes !


37 posted on 11/17/2009 11:44:40 AM PST by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLEN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; All

The guy stealing food from 7/11 is on equal terms with the guy killing soldiers....ain’t that a nice thought!?


38 posted on 11/17/2009 11:45:51 AM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Rick_Michael

NO EFFING WAY!!!

We’re Mirandaizing these animals!

We can’t get rid of these clowns soon enough.

Best,

Chris


39 posted on 11/17/2009 11:51:54 AM PST by section9
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To: tacticalogic

Exactly...we’re operating in a foreign country. How do our laws apply? LOL, I think we should turn all our prisoners over to the afgans/paks. If its anything like IRQ the police will give them a good beat down and then send them off to jail (which is almost a death sentence).


40 posted on 11/17/2009 11:57:10 AM PST by 556x45
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To: scgator

The Fort Hood shooter was on Obama’s homeland Security team, DEFINING our security?

Has THIS made the news?

I heard something like this maybe quite briefly when this story happened?!?

I glanced that document you posted and it is DISGUSTING!

Just ONE small observation: If all of those people listed there were DOWNSIZED we could feed Ohio and Michigan for 9 months!


41 posted on 11/17/2009 12:23:10 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

More than 60% of the Afghan population is illiterate.

According to British military charged with training Afghani police, more than 90% of the police are illiterate, and when told they would be taught how to fill out police reports during schooling, the Afghani police didn’t understand the concept of a classroom.

Over 10% of Afghani suffer from some form of TB.

Over 78% of the population do not have improved drinking water.

Over 70% of the population do not have santitation.

Mirandi Rights are the luxurious human rights afforded advanced societies once the vast majority of stakeholders have reached basic human rights and can afford through production surpluses to spend collectively some of the surplus to expand the civil rights of the upper classes.

There is a reason the Magna Carta was produced in England and not in central Poland.

The irrational chain of arguments concocted to justify and implement Miranda Rights in a 3rd world, substinence economy war zone displays a total lack of education, understanding and insight on the very foundations of Western concepts of human rights.

It further shows a complete lack of understanding of the basic underpinnings of economies, be it totalitarian OR laissez faire, the person who implemented this plan doesn’t understand the basic concept of the value of physical labor in society, and doesn’t understand the concept of value and wealth. Nor can they differentiate between the concepts of value and wealth. The persons responsible for this are not schooled in von Mises or Marx nor anywhere in the spectrum, they are unschooled and incoherent.

This also explains why Obama caved in to the Wall St crowd, he and his legalistic advisors are completely void of basic knowledge of economies, human rights, and the concepts of fair value of labor and the expenditure of wealth to protect the rights of the populace as a whole.

Krugman, Volcker and Goolsbee know better, I dare say they had no input on this policy decision.


42 posted on 11/17/2009 12:32:43 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: scgator

THE STORY YOU POSTED WILL BE BREAKING NEWS on a Charlotte NC Newspaper in five minutes.

Fort Hood Shooter was an advisor on Obama’s Homeland Security task force

http://www.examiner.com/x-19160-Bucks-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d15-Fort-Hood-Shooter-was-an-advisor-on-Obamas-Homeland-Security-Task-Force


43 posted on 11/17/2009 12:33:26 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

The Enemy Sympathizer You Can Believe In


44 posted on 11/17/2009 12:34:19 PM PST by taraytarah (Our Constitution must be defended and protected from all domestic enemies.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Our village idiot loose on the world...


45 posted on 11/17/2009 12:35:06 PM PST by diji ("Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8")
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To: scgator

BREAKING NEWS in a Charlotte NC Newspaper in five minutes.

Fort Hood Shooter was an advisor on Obama’s Homeland Security task force

http://www.examiner.com/x-19160-Bucks-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d15-Fort-Hood-Shooter-was-an-advisor-on-Obamas-Homeland-Security-Task-Force

DOCUMENT proof

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/pttf_proceedingsreport_05.19.09.pdf


46 posted on 11/17/2009 12:36:42 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: 444Flyer; Nachum; sushiman

ping to post # 46


47 posted on 11/17/2009 12:37:55 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Ah, so foreign terrorists now have Miranda rights and protections as affored by the US Constitution?

....and what Constitutional right grants Raila Odinga's favorite cousin to make this policy?

48 posted on 11/17/2009 12:39:32 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: GI Joe Fan

It gets worse... see post # 46


49 posted on 11/17/2009 12:44:38 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: voveo

And we do what ? We write letters that are tossed, make calls that are ignored, attend protests that are ridiculed and marginalized, and provide our sons and daughters to be placed in harms way for an administration and a portion of our population that could care less.


50 posted on 11/17/2009 12:49:10 PM PST by gunner03
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