The Criminal charges of “Conspiracy and Fraud” are served against Nancy Pelosi

American Grand Jury ^ | November 18, 2009

[presently no screen name]

I also respect the fact that they are well organized and have the upper hand at the moment.

That's your fear speaking! Fear by intimidation - not a pretty site!

[I see my hands]

"I will not go away unless the owner of this site tells me to do so. It is his property and I will respect his wishes"

Then where the heck do you get off telling people what to say, weirdo?

[Man50D]

This is not a real jury, it can not indict anyone

Your remark proves you are clueless to the concept of the grand jury and have not read the material at the website. The Bill Of Rights makes it real. The grand juries convened by the courts are not"real" grand juries. The concept of the grand jury is only mentioned in the Bill Of Rights(5th Amendment), which refers to powers granted only to the people. Our founding fathers purposely did not write the grand jury concept into the Constitution so as not to give any of the three branches of government that power.

[Nik Naym]

“Then where the heck do you get off telling people what to say, weirdo?”

I have expressed my opinion regarding the subject at hand.

Please point me to the post where I told anyone what to say.

Thank you in advance.

[Man50D]

Did you mean to say “Is that your fathers years of legal expertise...”?

Can you read? My previous post cited his conclusion the the website is based on sound legal/Constitutional principles after he reviewed for it two hours. How many hours did you say you examined the information? How many years did you say have you been an attorney?

[presently no screen name]

like minded individuals with an agenda that relates directly to the case at hand.

Sounds like American Patriots who believe the Constitution is the law of the land. You got a problem w/that?

[Nik Naym]

“How many years did you say have you been an attorney? “

I make no such claim.

Nor do I make any claims of legitimacy based on my ancestors skills, knowledge or accomplishments.

[RAR]

lol

[The Comedian]

“... a bunch of weirdos...”

There ARE some around. :-)

And we hear everything you say about us...

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[annieokie]

this is wonderful and I hope it has the teeth needed to be successful. You stating your father is an attorney for 55 yrs, carries a lot of weight for me. He for sure will know more about the legal aspect of this case, than all the naysayers who are trying to mock this effort.

Their mocking is null and void, ignore. America is in great danger from what this Congress is doing to us and it is time to use any and all weapons we can muster. Keep on keeping on. Thanks for the post, I take some comfort everytime some effort is attempted, at least they tried.

[teletech]

Oh please.

This is the kind of stuff that makes us look like a bunch of weirdos.

Just who the HELL do you think you are! You DON'T speak for us, you speak for YOU!

[Man50D]

Let’s look at some basic legal principals shall we?

I have a better idea. Let's look at the law. First The Bill of Rights, where the grand jury is cited in the 5th Amendment, was written by our founding fathers specifically to bestow those powers in this document to the people and only the people, not the three branches of government. Their powers are cited in the Constitution, where you will not find any mention of the grand jury. Second, A grand jury can be convened by like minded citizens for the purpose of presenting charges(Presentments) against a plaintiff, with which none of the three branches of government have the authority to control. That is why the grand jury is also known as a runaway grand jury. Third a grand jury does not form an indictment or reach verdicts of guilty or not guilty. It merely presents charges to the court via Presentments. It is then the courts responsibility to form an indictment and convene a trial by jury(not the grand jury) where a guilty or not guilty verdict is reached. This concept couldn't be more straight forward and would be easy to understand if you took the time to actually read the information at the website. The only part of your whole post that is correct is the fact the grand jury is formed by like minded individuals. That's the whole point of a grand jury! The only fool is you for not taking the time to review and grasp the history and concept of the grand jury!

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

With all that in mind, why should I consider the "real" governmental system to be any more legitimate than this grand jury of actual Americans? Why should I give some left-wing nutjob judge more respect than I would give to a collection of American citizens who have attempted to hold their government officials accountable?

Because if you ignore them they will put you in jail an/or take away your property. If you resist they restrain you forcibly or kill you. That is because a government has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.

[Nik Naym]

“Just who the HELL do you think you are! You DON’T speak for us, you speak for YOU! “

I have made no claim to be speaking FOR “us”.

I stated my opinion REGARDING the subject at hand.

I apologize for not being simple enough for you to comprehend.

[Man50D]

My father has 56 years of legal experience and he thinks your father is a poopiehead.

Your ignorance about the grand jury system is only exceeded by your inane comments. I hope you are BO's defense lawyer when the time comes.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

well said.

[Man50D]

I make no such claim.

Nor do I make any claims of legitimacy based on my ancestors skills, knowledge or accomplishments.

Which only illustrates you do not have any claims of legitimacy for understanding the concept of the grand jury.

[fr_freak]

Because if you ignore them they will put you in jail an/or take away your property. If you resist they restrain you forcibly or kill you. That is because a government has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.

True enough that they will use force, but that doesn't make them legitimate. They are legitimate when they follow the Constitution. They are tyrannical when they don't, no matter how many guns they have. The government also does not have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. Revisit the American Revolution for more info on that philosophy. It is simply a matter of whether people are willing to meet that force with force, or submit.

[Nik Naym]

“Which only illustrates you do not have any claims of legitimacy for understanding the concept of the grand jury. “

If I understand you correctly, your assertion is that if I am not a lawyer then I must be the descendant of a lawyer to understand the subject at hand.

Does that about sum it up?

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

The government also does not have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force.

Actually that monopoly is the definition of what a government is. In the revolution the states were sovereign and would have hanged anybody in a 'citizen grand jury'.