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McCain takes up 'death panel' charge on floor
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Posted on 11/21/2009 4:56:25 PM PST by Sub-Driver

McCain takes up 'death panel' charge on floor By J. Taylor Rushing - 11/21/09 06:24 PM ET

Former GOP presidential nominee John McCain (Ariz.) used Saturday's Senate floor debate on healthcare reform to repeat the controversial "death panel charge" that his running mate, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, has been heavily criticized for.

In a scripted exchange with Wyoming Sen. John Barrasso (Wyo.), McCain assailed a recent recommendation by a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services panel that women receive regular mammograms once they reach 50 years of age, instead of the traditional 40. McCain used that to revive a criticism of the Democratic-written healthcare bill that Palin raised over the summer, that advisory boards could create polices that would make them become "death panels."

"Isn't that the kind of advisory board that this legislation could put into law, that those kinds of mandates could come down which could literally jeopardize the health and lives of Americans?" McCain asked Barrasso.

Barrasso's wife is a breast cancer survivor, a fact he referenced.

"This type of legislation would have cost my wife her life," Barrasso said. "She is a breast cancer survivor, diagnosed by a routine screening mammogram. And she was in her 40s when that mammogram was performed... It was a screening mammogram that saved her life."

A grinning McCain then asked, "You would not describe that as a death panel?"

Barrasso replied, "Some people might."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mcinsane; mcloser; mcqueeg
insane.......
1 posted on 11/21/2009 4:56:25 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Wait a minute. McCain is actually acting like a Republican?


2 posted on 11/21/2009 4:58:12 PM PST by mc6809e
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To: Sub-Driver
Death panel is bad enough — but the MANDATORY participation is what should make this government takeover DOA
3 posted on 11/21/2009 5:01:30 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: mc6809e

WOW, so not only is he defending Sarah Palin, but he is also saying that there are indeed death panels. Either he finally grew a sack or he is afraid that he will lose in 2010


4 posted on 11/21/2009 5:02:00 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sub-Driver

care to explain


5 posted on 11/21/2009 5:02:39 PM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Sub-Driver
Unstoppable...Except through the sound of the clicking of hundreds of knitting needles and the thunk of the guillotine...
6 posted on 11/21/2009 5:04:01 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

amazing now imagine if the GOP was always like this.

There is still a long way to got but a word of advoe for our lefty trolls.

I grew up in England and have family over there and I know what Govt health care is all about.

IT DOES NOT WORK.
I could give you a list of horrible cases but of course you will still not believe it.

Lets put it this way.

That checking of the boobs then get used to Govt telling you that you will not be covered, you watch that cancer rate go up and you watch your taxes go right up.
Yes lefty troll Govt health care in the UK is not free it costs a lot of money and you WILL FIND OUT of this passes


7 posted on 11/21/2009 5:06:24 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: SuperLuminal

It can still be stopped—at the next cloture vote. Reid doesnt yet have the votes to pass the bill.


8 posted on 11/21/2009 5:08:26 PM PST by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: Sub-Driver
"Isn't that the kind of advisory board that this legislation could put into law, that those kinds of mandates could come down which could literally jeopardize the health and lives of Americans?" McCain asked Barrasso.

Ant-truth, anti-freedom, anti-constitutional, anti-life SCUM SUCKING SOCIALIST CRIMINALS ALWAYS JEOPARDIZE THE HEALTH AND LIVES OF Americans.

Witness history, McSCRIPTED McRINO. Sheesh, to think I voted for you.

9 posted on 11/21/2009 5:10:23 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Sub-Driver
Death panels are the smoking gun of the 'rat scheme.

Death panels used to exist at dialysis centers, when dialysis machines were too scarce to meet the demand. Well into the sixties, people died from ESRD because there just wasn't enough dialysis time to go around.

Death panels exist now, at any given hospital transplant program, due to naturally occurring shortages of donated organs. People die today because there aren't enough organs to go around.

Under the gubbermint rationing plans, people will die due to contrived shortages of financial allocations.

They will pretend that failure to fund needed care is unavoidable, the same as the naturally occurring shortage of resources such as dialysis machines or donated livers. But they will be lying.

10 posted on 11/21/2009 5:10:31 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sub-Driver

Why now John? You are late to the party.


11 posted on 11/21/2009 5:11:01 PM PST by bmwcyle (When do they collect and jail the homeless when they don't buy their health care?)
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To: Sub-Driver
RINO's are waking up! This is great. Welcome to the club McCain.

Will O Bow Mao try to raise another half million to counter McCain's Death Camp claims?

12 posted on 11/21/2009 5:12:13 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: manc

Yeh...pap and prostate exams every TWO years...


13 posted on 11/21/2009 5:13:11 PM PST by spokeshave (Obama can't unjump the shark "Obama Wa Nobel-sho Ni Ataeshinai" ("Obama Unworthy of Nobel Prize"))
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To: mc6809e

He must be getting nervous about those close polling numbers back home.


14 posted on 11/21/2009 5:30:18 PM PST by libbylu ( Palin begins from Wasilla not only a campaign, an Iditarod of a crusade ....YEAH!)
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To: mc6809e

Too late “Specter” McCain. As usual.


15 posted on 11/21/2009 5:37:15 PM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: mc6809e
McCain is actually acting like a Republican?

About 3 percent of the time he has a moment of clarity.

16 posted on 11/21/2009 5:38:27 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: manc
I grew up in England and have family over there and I know what Govt health care is all about.

IT DOES NOT WORK. I could give you a list of horrible cases but of course you will still not believe it.


A lot of unbelievable stuff happens in the U.K.--things that would shock your average Brit forty or fifty years ago. England has become a tidy little surveillance state, not unlike the prognostications and warnings of her many great writers and social prophets. What's disheartening is that no one really seems to care any more. It's an accepted matter of fact, and after all, things could be worse.

Americans still have some fight left in them.
17 posted on 11/21/2009 5:40:33 PM PST by Das Outsider ("It's a California 'thang.'" -- Michael Savage)
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To: Das Outsider

agreed
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today it is the norm but I will not stand by while this great country go the same way as my old country


18 posted on 11/21/2009 5:51:23 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: mc6809e
****Wait a minute. McCain is actually acting like a Republican?****

McCain has acted alot more like a republican lately. Some might suggest its because he's up for re-election in 2010. Or might I suggest that Sarah had an effect on him.

19 posted on 11/21/2009 5:51:34 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule (Where did Dagmar go?)
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To: manc
"IT DOES NOT WORK."

All those Damnocrats know it doesn't work. This is all about destroying America.

20 posted on 11/21/2009 5:57:07 PM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: manc
today it is the norm but I will not stand by while this great country go the same way as my old country

Losing both would be a real tragedy. Former Britannia is, by and large, gone. America has some chance. It's going to be a fight between the people and the mandarins they keep electing to office.
21 posted on 11/21/2009 6:16:29 PM PST by Das Outsider ("It's a California 'thang.'" -- Michael Savage)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve noticed a slight backing off by Palin on the “death panel” term, as though she is just the tiniest bit afraid of overstating things. IMO, especially now that they’ve voted to debate this bill, we should repeat those two words ad infinitum until they sink into the American consciousness. Call it what it is! Don’t shrink from using the strongest possible terms on ANY and ALL components of this bill. I want to see this bill deconstructed sentence by sentence and ripped to pieces over the next few weeks.


22 posted on 11/21/2009 6:17:17 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: luvEastTenn

She has said it repeatedly. She hasn’t stopped saying it. She says it on every facebook posting and also on interviews


23 posted on 11/21/2009 6:18:29 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

McCain is strategizing and, once again, is “using” Sarah Palin.


24 posted on 11/21/2009 6:29:39 PM PST by citizencon
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To: Sarah Barracuda

McCain is strategizing and, once again, is “using” Sarah Palin.


25 posted on 11/21/2009 6:29:40 PM PST by citizencon
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To: hinckley buzzard

Your post is good. Can we boil it down to a single sentence?

Like: Years ago, death panels denied dialysis to patients who died and these death panels are returning under obuma.

You know more about this than me. Whattya think?


26 posted on 11/21/2009 6:34:19 PM PST by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Sub-Driver

McCain is a little late to the party. He must be getting his butt kicked in Arizona. Don’t trust the sell out. He will just disappoint when it matters.


27 posted on 11/21/2009 6:34:21 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Okay, okay. I just had not heard her use the term in her recent interviews. IIRC, she quite brilliantly invented the term “death panel.” I want that term to be incessantly hammered home, that’s all.


28 posted on 11/21/2009 6:35:14 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: Das Outsider

agreed

what keeps me going is that the American people still have a chance and are still wanting to fight.
I am there too with you all the way.


29 posted on 11/21/2009 6:35:27 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc
what keeps me going is that the American people still have a chance and are still wanting to fight. I am there too with you all the way.

If you don't mind, how long did you live in the U.K.?
30 posted on 11/21/2009 6:40:16 PM PST by Das Outsider ("It's a California 'thang.'" -- Michael Savage)
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To: freespirited

It can still be stopped—at the next cloture vote. Reid doesnt yet have the votes to pass the bill.

Really? It took 60 votes to get it this far, and there were only 3 Dem Senators who had to be bribed...to pass it he needs less, like 50, correct? He can find more bribes to add if he has to, I can assure you.


31 posted on 11/21/2009 7:07:29 PM PST by tinamina
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To: tinamina
Really? It took 60 votes to get it this far, and there were only 3 Dem Senators who had to be bribed...to pass it he needs less, like 50, correct?

No, he will need 60 again for a motion to end debate and take an actual vote on the bill. That's when Lincoln, Nelson, Landrieu and Lieberman (among others) are threatening to jump ship over the public option and/or abortion.

I think the most likely outcome is for the public option to be removed entirely so they can pass something in the Senate. The House would then have to decide whether it will go along. If not, no law.

Bottom line, this travesty has a long way to go.

32 posted on 11/21/2009 7:57:58 PM PST by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: Das Outsider

moved here at 26 years old and now I’m 41
so I know about Govt health care and how it can devastate a person and family.

just turned by the way


33 posted on 11/21/2009 8:24:49 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Sub-Driver

He must be coming up for election in 2010. I think Lindsey Graham also had a period of conservatisim before his last election.


34 posted on 11/21/2009 8:32:59 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Das Outsider

also I don’t mind you asking at all.

I wish more folks would wake up and see how this will change this country for ever.

For instance I will give one example quickly.
My mother went to get checked for cancer.She went in Nov a couple of years ago and by the time after waiting for her results and checks (so on because of waiting lines) she got her results in nov the next year.
In that time her husband died of cancer .

This year she was in salford royal hospital.
She had to sahre a room with 15 other women.
No TV for her own.
No phone
No privacy
just a curtain when the Doc came arouund and at weekends there was no Doc on duty due to budget cuts.
Docs were only on emergency.

She saw a woman have a baby in the hallway and had nurses who could hardly speak English because the Uk is short of nurses so they get them from third world countries.

For an ambulance it took two hours to come.

I ahve many examples of how Govt does not work for health care but one only has to look at how they are now saying that a woman does not need to go for a chest exam at 40 nor does she have to get checked once a year.

To think that there are women out there who are so dumb that they would rather believe a letter at the end of a name then to save their or others lives by making a stand and saying no we are not a cult we can think for ourselves


35 posted on 11/21/2009 8:33:39 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: freespirited
"It can still be stopped—at the next cloture vote. Reid doesnt yet have the votes to pass the bill. "

That may be so. However, I was really referring to the longer-term future.

Over the past 100 years, almost every initial specific Marxist overture to snatching away freedom has been completely or partially defeated. They really do not care, scrupulously keeping their eye on the bigger ideological picture...and in virtually all cases they have eventually gained their goals through incrementlism and/or compromise.

There is nothing in the behavior of the current GOP hierarchy's genetic political makeup that suggests that, just like the thousands of Marxist-driven laws and regulations already in place through GOP incompetence and cowardice and the serfs ignorance, the Marxist healthcare camel will be denied getting its nose into the tent of the American culture before the 2010 elections.

IAC, just like most of the Marxist ideology that now holds us, however softly, in its grip, the federal courts will step in when needed and provide whatever political victories the Marxists need but cannot get through the Congress or with support of the electorate. Particularly important is the huge increase in federal court judges now being implemented so as to dilute all the circuit courts in order to bring them up to the ideological standards of the Ninth....

Only an absolutely total flush of all the Marxists, both demoncrat and the GOP closet-Marxists, would provide a slight glimmer of hope. IMHO, 2010 is the very last chance at a somewhat fair and honest national election in the U.S.

If we blow this one, there will never be another. We will be faced with, as yet unimagined by the serfs, tyrannical processes and unconstitutional laws that will assure many more terms by obamao and his cronies.

This healthcare weapon is important to those who seek to rule us completely. They can regulate everything we do in our daily existence as a "healthcare matter". More importantly, they can greatly increase the rate at which the older generations (educated before the 1960's takeover of public education by the government and conversion to Fabian-driven indoctrination centers) are disappearing from the scene. This will make imposition of final rule over the brain-washed masses educated in government asylums a very smooth transition. None of those pesky old-timers who are always mumbling and rambling on about stuff like freedom, liberty, individuality, and the Constitution.

History is on my side in this argument...100-years of brilliantly planned incrementalism has now been supplanted by the endgame theorized in the late 1800's.

Sadly to say, to prevent losing this endgame, it is probably as much as 80% certain that "the tree will have to be watered" once more....

36 posted on 11/21/2009 10:04:45 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: sergeantdave
Sure. I like to spell it out with the historical context so people understand--there have been death panels before, for necessary reasons, but now there will be death panels again, for artificial reasons.

My goal is to inform people that this is not merely a right wing crackpot invention. It has been real, and will be again.

37 posted on 11/22/2009 4:18:19 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: freespirited

Thanks for the reply. I am SO glad to hear that Reid doesn’t need just 50 votes to go forward from here, but the actual 60.


38 posted on 11/23/2009 1:25:12 AM PST by tinamina
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To: manc
I wish more folks would wake up and see how this will change this country for ever.

I asked how long you had lived there because your first-hand insight could make a difference. It's very easy for a Limbaugh or Hannity type to cite statistics or stories from countries that have already implemented a state-run form of health care; it's quite different coming from one who has been through such madness. We need to hear more voices like yours.

Cheers and thanks, my friend.
39 posted on 11/24/2009 7:21:32 PM PST by Das Outsider ("It's a California 'thang.'" -- Michael Savage)
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To: Das Outsider

no problem and you have a happy thanksgiving


40 posted on 11/25/2009 7:47:11 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc

Happy Thanksgiving to you.


41 posted on 11/26/2009 6:02:01 PM PST by Das Outsider ("It's a California 'thang.'" -- Michael Savage)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Death panels used to exist at dialysis centers, when dialysis machines were too scarce to meet the demand. Well into the sixties, people died from ESRD because there just wasn't enough dialysis time to go around.

It is my understanding that, if one experiences renal failure in the UK after reaching age 55, dialysis will not be made available.

Instead, you go home to die.

42 posted on 11/26/2009 6:15:16 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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