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CRU Hack: Are we missing the Smoking Gun? Tropical tropospheric trends?
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Posted on 11/21/2009 6:41:34 PM PST by dila813

File called trend_profiles_dogs_dinner.png in the hacked files shows a chart that looks identical in format but with a completely different result than the one on display that is showing heating in the Tropical tropospheric trend.

The one in the hacked files shows Global Cooling Trends and not a warming trend.

In fact, the chart in the hacked files can't be found and based on the date of the file you have to wonder if the one at Real Climate is a complete fabrication or the one in the hacked files is.

The date on the file is 1/10/2008 and the one published is 10/12/2008.


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Is this what the hacker wanted us to see? The chart shows a temperature crash and not only is it not following the models, it says the climate is cooling fast.
1 posted on 11/21/2009 6:41:35 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

If someone wants to post the file, then we can link to it, I don’t know anyone who has posted the file.


2 posted on 11/21/2009 6:42:30 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

So Global Warming is causing an Ice Age?


3 posted on 11/21/2009 6:45:12 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99
Well, don't forget that Global Warming causes everything.
4 posted on 11/21/2009 6:46:22 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot ( Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: REDWOOD99

Looks to me like they doctored the chart at the link, looks nothing like the one in the files.


5 posted on 11/21/2009 6:47:12 PM PST by dila813
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To: FortWorthPatriot

It’s causing me to drink!


6 posted on 11/21/2009 6:47:32 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Y’all didn’t get the memo? It is “climate change” now. That way it doesn’t matter if it goes up or down, it is still a “crisis”.


7 posted on 11/21/2009 6:47:59 PM PST by gthog61
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To: gthog61

Seriously, anyone see what I see?


8 posted on 11/21/2009 6:49:15 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

I tried to look at it but it gave me a bad flashback to the x-ray of my knee after a football injury.


9 posted on 11/21/2009 6:50:04 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: dila813

Where can we find the file you mention?


10 posted on 11/21/2009 6:51:35 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: dila813

I don’t know but it is obivious that we are cooling. It’s been two years since the summer temps here have went over 100ºf. We had I think 3 days last year where it hit 90ºf and none this past year at all! That is not normal usually the last week of July and all of August here is unbearable with high 90’s and matching humidity.


11 posted on 11/21/2009 6:53:30 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: dila813

Yeah....but now, The Great Al is saying that the center of the earth is....like....hot and stuff.

Bwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*cough cough*

aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!1!1!1!111!111!1


12 posted on 11/21/2009 6:56:05 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: chris_bdba

It is decade+ trend, it means we have been cooling for a while and the trend is continuing on out.


13 posted on 11/21/2009 6:57:15 PM PST by dila813
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To: chris_bdba

The issue isn’t surface temperatures, the greenhouse models call for increased warming in the troposphere. The graph at the link from a peer reviewed, published paper shows that tropospheric warming. The initiator of this thread claims that a similar graph, with very different data, appears in the leaked “whistle blower” data.


14 posted on 11/21/2009 7:00:58 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

Global warming causes everything “BAD”!


15 posted on 11/21/2009 7:03:21 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: SC Swamp Fox
Photobucket
16 posted on 11/21/2009 7:04:58 PM PST by dila813
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To: aliquando; FortWorthPatriot; chris_bdba; RushIsMyTeddyBear; REDWOOD99

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2391795/posts?page=16#16

Image Posted


17 posted on 11/21/2009 7:06:55 PM PST by dila813
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To: chris_bdba
It’s been two years since the summer temps here have went over 100ºf. We had I think 3 days last year where it hit 90ºf and none this past year at all!

I'll bet you're not following AlGores Global Warming Rules For Thermometer Placement, are you?

Remember....after Jan 1 2008, all outdoor thermometers now are to be placed within 7.5 feet or less of an air conditioner unit. If one is not available, several mirrors may be placed around the base of the temperature recording unit.

18 posted on 11/21/2009 7:07:53 PM PST by digger48
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To: dila813
Here's the image from the zip file. Sorry about the quality, it got messy when I used paint to rotate it 270 degrees.


19 posted on 11/21/2009 7:08:00 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: dila813

damn, yours is so much nicer.


20 posted on 11/21/2009 7:09:20 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer

Great, it is good enough so everyone can see that it is showing global cooling is kicking off.

I think this is the smoking gun.


21 posted on 11/21/2009 7:09:58 PM PST by dila813
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To: palmer

I deleted it, I wasn’t sure if I was allowed to host it there or not.


22 posted on 11/21/2009 7:11:00 PM PST by dila813
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To: palmer
Here's the image from the "Real" climate site


23 posted on 11/21/2009 7:11:32 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer

I really think this is what this hacker wanted us to see. If you look at it and the link above. These are the same thing, but one must be true and the other is false.

This chart says we are undergoing massive global cooling and that the finger print of Human Induced Warming is completely missing.

This is another nuke going off in the GWA community once everyone figures out what this is.


24 posted on 11/21/2009 7:13:22 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

“it says the climate is cooling fast. “

Darn right it is. Here in my Midwest location, temperatures have cooled dramatically in the past 3 months.

The oak and maple trees all have lost their leaves and look dead.
The corn and soybean have quit growing; and snow is a possibility next week.

Our daily high temperatures have dropped from the 80’s to the 50’s.

Something is going on. I hope they can find out what is, and come up with a action plan.


25 posted on 11/21/2009 7:13:28 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: dila813

You had yours at photobucket, same place mine is at.


26 posted on 11/21/2009 7:13:45 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer

What do you think? is this the bomb the hacker wanted us to see?

I think another bomb is that these guys accused a Chinese researcher of misconduct and he was found innocent.

My vote if for one of these two things to being the chief reason for the files being released.


27 posted on 11/21/2009 7:15:27 PM PST by dila813
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To: digger48; aliquando; FortWorthPatriot; chris_bdba; RushIsMyTeddyBear; REDWOOD99

Check the thread again, we have the charts now, you can see what we are talking about.


28 posted on 11/21/2009 7:17:05 PM PST by dila813
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To: palmer

OK, Palmer. Explain to me what I’m looking at, here. I have it downloaded in my files and ran across it....but hadn’t a clue what this meant. I was more interested in reading the emails. :)


29 posted on 11/21/2009 7:19:16 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: dila813
There may be a bomb or there may not. There probably was no hacker, an admin with a memory stick is a much simpler explanation. He has a friend who has a friend in Russia and it's done.

I am still looking at the data files to see if there is more evidence for cherry picking in Briffa Yamal.

30 posted on 11/21/2009 7:22:19 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

compare the two pics, one shows the warming trend in the upper atmosphere and the other shows a cooling trend.


31 posted on 11/21/2009 7:23:02 PM PST by dila813
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To: palmer
It looks as though in the published version they truncated the chart so that the lowest pressure readings are 100 hPa. Normal atmospheric pressure is ~1013.25 hPa, and the top of the troposphere has a pressure somewhere around 10% of atmospheric pressure, so they cut off the chart to show only the troposphere. They also changed the units to include .1 degree Centigrade changes, whereas the other chart had .5 as the unit. So they made it look better by doing this, but without knowing which data set each line represents, and without knowing if there was additional data collected in the next several months, it's hard to say this fraud.
32 posted on 11/21/2009 7:23:12 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I think we should do exactly the opposite of what my Dad was constantly yelling when I was a kid:

“Close the door! I’m not paying to heat/cool the outdoors!”

Let’s just turn on our AC/Heaters, open the doors and see if we really do impact the climate.


33 posted on 11/21/2009 7:24:07 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: palmer

Look at the charts though, one clearly shows a warming trend, the other shows temps crashing.

What’s up with that?


34 posted on 11/21/2009 7:24:23 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
I wonder why they named the file "dogs dinner".

Meaning from Google: Dressed or displayed in an ostentatiously smart manner.

Also, in Europe they usually order their dates: Day/Month/Year

So those two files were probably created two months apart, with the whistle blower's file being first.

35 posted on 11/21/2009 7:24:30 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

No, look at it again, these are different heights in the atmosphere.

To the Right is warming, to the left is cooling. There is more info on how to read this at the link above.


36 posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:59 PM PST by dila813
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To: palmer

Thanks for posting this .
I was trying to figure this thing out yesterday.


37 posted on 11/21/2009 7:28:40 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Yes, but one has the curves shifted to a temp increase, the other one (hacked) shows only warming on the surface but cooling at all other elevations.

If this is true and I was them, I would want to hide this too.

It completely blows human induced global warming off the map.


38 posted on 11/21/2009 7:30:10 PM PST by dila813
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To: Marty62

Look at the link on RealClimate, these are the same charts with different results.


39 posted on 11/21/2009 7:31:07 PM PST by dila813
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
There were and still may be theories that the upper troposphere should warm strongly with CO2 warming. This is debated by others who say any forcing (e.g. solar) would have that effect. Despite that debate, the climate models showed that warming and the warmists insist that there is warming using a few dubious papers.

One of those papers was one I looked at closely and it basically used a climate model (!) to interpret the satellite readings to say that the upper troposphere has warmed. Anyway the warmists basically want there to be upper tropo warming and stratospheric cooling so that they can say their models are just awesome. The chart from "real" climate is one that shows just that, the atmosphere warms going up into the troposphere, then cools higher up (the vertical axis is basically height above ground using the scale of atmospheric pressure which gets lower as you go higher).

Then there is reality which is admittedly difficult to measure. The really accurate satellites have not been around long enough to see the trends. OTOH, the weather balloons have been around long enough and show steady or cooling temps. The chart that came from the zip file basically shows that. That zip file came from the warmists server, so they obviously had this chart but uncherrypicked it (cherryskipped?). The balloons have some controversy, mainly that they are almost always released over land (leaves a large part of the earth unmeasured) and they have accuracy issues as they relay their measurements back to earth.

40 posted on 11/21/2009 7:33:18 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: dila813

Thank You
Everyone should check this site out.


41 posted on 11/21/2009 7:34:42 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: palmer

I would have thought the same, but you can see the model lines in the hacked file just like you can in the one posted on realclimate.

If you look at the key on real climate, these other lines are model lines.

Makes me wonder if their models are beginning to report non-human induced global warming and they aren’t telling anyone.


42 posted on 11/21/2009 7:36:59 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
“No, look at it again, these are different heights in the atmosphere.”

Yes, I agree, but they are referring to height on the y-axis by way of pressure. As you go higher in the atmosphere the pressure decreases, so they are plotting pressure against decade trends in temperature on the x-axis.

43 posted on 11/21/2009 7:43:44 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: palmer

If the models were any good, those box and whisker boxed would be right centered in the middle of the models.

This chart says they are smoking dope.


44 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:17 PM PST by dila813
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

yes,

that is the point

the box and whiskers shows they are smoking dope with their models.

This is standard statistics, if the models were any good the models would be all around the box and whiskers, but it isn’t.

So the chart says all the models are crap.


45 posted on 11/21/2009 7:46:08 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

bump for tomorrow

Someone NEEDS to be prosecuted for this collosal fraud against the world! As well, the obama administration should be immediately investigated to find out who knew what, when they knew it, and WHY they allowed this bogus informaiton in the IPCC report to go forward resulting in the world’s largest scam ever- OUR government has scammed us!!! OUR government has cammed businesses!!! Billions have been payed to ‘fix’ somethign that can NEVER be fixed, and which, quite frankly does NOT need to be fixed!!! Nature works fine all by itself!

You can bert your bottom dollar that this administration knew all about hte cover-upd, but decided to push through this assinine global warmign mandate irregardless of whether it was goign to ruin us or not- Where are the GOP DEMANDING a thorough investigation into this? So far, all we’ve got is Inhoffe in essence tellijgn Boxer ‘Nanna-nanna-boo-boo, we win, you lose, get a life’? He shoudl be DEMANDING a complete investigation into this collosal fraud against the public!!!

I also note that fox news isn’t headlining the story, and has written an article that is almost excusatory toward the CRIMINALS who scammed us at hte CUI and IPCC

Has anyone seen ANY of the fox shows shouting the alarm about this discovery? I haven’t watched Fox today, except for a few short segments but haven’t heard narry a word abotu htis issue yet


46 posted on 11/21/2009 7:52:22 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: dila813

Perhaps two authors with different ways of interpreting the data (all “scientific” of course). The timing of the end point matters as well since there has been a bunch of UT cooling lately in temperate zones (can’t find a link right now). Here’s a related paper pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/r-3461.pdf


47 posted on 11/21/2009 7:54:41 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: CottShop

They don’t understand it, they don’t report it.

They may be seeking experts that can evaluate this, but possibly like you said they will do nothing.


48 posted on 11/21/2009 7:55:23 PM PST by dila813
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To: FortWorthPatriot

[[Well, don’t forget that Global Warming causes everything.]]

Yep- a report out today is trying, beleive it or not- to blame the rise in prostitution on global warming

Personally, I think global warmign is causing tooth decay and hairline fractures of our miniscus bones- Thank goodness we’ll all have FREE FREE FREE healthcare soon to ‘combat the health problems caused by global wamring’


49 posted on 11/21/2009 7:55:53 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

look where 0.0 is in both and which side of the line they lay on.


50 posted on 11/21/2009 7:57:54 PM PST by dila813
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