Skip to comments.CRU Hack: Are we missing the Smoking Gun? Tropical tropospheric trends?
Posted on 11/21/2009 6:41:34 PM PST by dila813
File called trend_profiles_dogs_dinner.png in the hacked files shows a chart that looks identical in format but with a completely different result than the one on display that is showing heating in the Tropical tropospheric trend.
The one in the hacked files shows Global Cooling Trends and not a warming trend.
In fact, the chart in the hacked files can't be found and based on the date of the file you have to wonder if the one at Real Climate is a complete fabrication or the one in the hacked files is.
The date on the file is 1/10/2008 and the one published is 10/12/2008.
If someone wants to post the file, then we can link to it, I don’t know anyone who has posted the file.
So Global Warming is causing an Ice Age?
Looks to me like they doctored the chart at the link, looks nothing like the one in the files.
It’s causing me to drink!
Y’all didn’t get the memo? It is “climate change” now. That way it doesn’t matter if it goes up or down, it is still a “crisis”.
Seriously, anyone see what I see?
I tried to look at it but it gave me a bad flashback to the x-ray of my knee after a football injury.
Where can we find the file you mention?
I don’t know but it is obivious that we are cooling. It’s been two years since the summer temps here have went over 100ºf. We had I think 3 days last year where it hit 90ºf and none this past year at all! That is not normal usually the last week of July and all of August here is unbearable with high 90’s and matching humidity.
Yeah....but now, The Great Al is saying that the center of the earth is....like....hot and stuff.
It is decade+ trend, it means we have been cooling for a while and the trend is continuing on out.
The issue isn’t surface temperatures, the greenhouse models call for increased warming in the troposphere. The graph at the link from a peer reviewed, published paper shows that tropospheric warming. The initiator of this thread claims that a similar graph, with very different data, appears in the leaked “whistle blower” data.
Global warming causes everything “BAD”!
I'll bet you're not following AlGores Global Warming Rules For Thermometer Placement, are you?
Remember....after Jan 1 2008, all outdoor thermometers now are to be placed within 7.5 feet or less of an air conditioner unit. If one is not available, several mirrors may be placed around the base of the temperature recording unit.
damn, yours is so much nicer.
Great, it is good enough so everyone can see that it is showing global cooling is kicking off.
I think this is the smoking gun.
I deleted it, I wasn’t sure if I was allowed to host it there or not.
I really think this is what this hacker wanted us to see. If you look at it and the link above. These are the same thing, but one must be true and the other is false.
This chart says we are undergoing massive global cooling and that the finger print of Human Induced Warming is completely missing.
This is another nuke going off in the GWA community once everyone figures out what this is.
“it says the climate is cooling fast. “
Darn right it is. Here in my Midwest location, temperatures have cooled dramatically in the past 3 months.
The oak and maple trees all have lost their leaves and look dead.
The corn and soybean have quit growing; and snow is a possibility next week.
Our daily high temperatures have dropped from the 80’s to the 50’s.
Something is going on. I hope they can find out what is, and come up with a action plan.
You had yours at photobucket, same place mine is at.
What do you think? is this the bomb the hacker wanted us to see?
I think another bomb is that these guys accused a Chinese researcher of misconduct and he was found innocent.
My vote if for one of these two things to being the chief reason for the files being released.
Check the thread again, we have the charts now, you can see what we are talking about.
OK, Palmer. Explain to me what I’m looking at, here. I have it downloaded in my files and ran across it....but hadn’t a clue what this meant. I was more interested in reading the emails. :)
I am still looking at the data files to see if there is more evidence for cherry picking in Briffa Yamal.
compare the two pics, one shows the warming trend in the upper atmosphere and the other shows a cooling trend.
I think we should do exactly the opposite of what my Dad was constantly yelling when I was a kid:
“Close the door! I’m not paying to heat/cool the outdoors!”
Let’s just turn on our AC/Heaters, open the doors and see if we really do impact the climate.
Look at the charts though, one clearly shows a warming trend, the other shows temps crashing.
What’s up with that?
Meaning from Google: Dressed or displayed in an ostentatiously smart manner.
Also, in Europe they usually order their dates: Day/Month/Year
So those two files were probably created two months apart, with the whistle blower's file being first.
No, look at it again, these are different heights in the atmosphere.
To the Right is warming, to the left is cooling. There is more info on how to read this at the link above.
Thanks for posting this .
I was trying to figure this thing out yesterday.
Yes, but one has the curves shifted to a temp increase, the other one (hacked) shows only warming on the surface but cooling at all other elevations.
If this is true and I was them, I would want to hide this too.
It completely blows human induced global warming off the map.
Look at the link on RealClimate, these are the same charts with different results.
One of those papers was one I looked at closely and it basically used a climate model (!) to interpret the satellite readings to say that the upper troposphere has warmed. Anyway the warmists basically want there to be upper tropo warming and stratospheric cooling so that they can say their models are just awesome. The chart from "real" climate is one that shows just that, the atmosphere warms going up into the troposphere, then cools higher up (the vertical axis is basically height above ground using the scale of atmospheric pressure which gets lower as you go higher).
Then there is reality which is admittedly difficult to measure. The really accurate satellites have not been around long enough to see the trends. OTOH, the weather balloons have been around long enough and show steady or cooling temps. The chart that came from the zip file basically shows that. That zip file came from the warmists server, so they obviously had this chart but uncherrypicked it (cherryskipped?). The balloons have some controversy, mainly that they are almost always released over land (leaves a large part of the earth unmeasured) and they have accuracy issues as they relay their measurements back to earth.
Everyone should check this site out.
I would have thought the same, but you can see the model lines in the hacked file just like you can in the one posted on realclimate.
If you look at the key on real climate, these other lines are model lines.
Makes me wonder if their models are beginning to report non-human induced global warming and they aren’t telling anyone.
Yes, I agree, but they are referring to height on the y-axis by way of pressure. As you go higher in the atmosphere the pressure decreases, so they are plotting pressure against decade trends in temperature on the x-axis.
If the models were any good, those box and whisker boxed would be right centered in the middle of the models.
This chart says they are smoking dope.
that is the point
the box and whiskers shows they are smoking dope with their models.
This is standard statistics, if the models were any good the models would be all around the box and whiskers, but it isn’t.
So the chart says all the models are crap.
bump for tomorrow
Someone NEEDS to be prosecuted for this collosal fraud against the world! As well, the obama administration should be immediately investigated to find out who knew what, when they knew it, and WHY they allowed this bogus informaiton in the IPCC report to go forward resulting in the worlds largest scam ever- OUR government has scammed us!!! OUR government has cammed businesses!!! Billions have been payed to fix somethign that can NEVER be fixed, and which, quite frankly does NOT need to be fixed!!! Nature works fine all by itself!
You can bert your bottom dollar that this administration knew all about hte cover-upd, but decided to push through this assinine global warmign mandate irregardless of whether it was goign to ruin us or not- Where are the GOP DEMANDING a thorough investigation into this? So far, all weve got is Inhoffe in essence tellijgn Boxer Nanna-nanna-boo-boo, we win, you lose, get a life? He shoudl be DEMANDING a complete investigation into this collosal fraud against the public!!!
I also note that fox news isnt headlining the story, and has written an article that is almost excusatory toward the CRIMINALS who scammed us at hte CUI and IPCC
Has anyone seen ANY of the fox shows shouting the alarm about this discovery? I havent watched Fox today, except for a few short segments but havent heard narry a word abotu htis issue yet
Perhaps two authors with different ways of interpreting the data (all “scientific” of course). The timing of the end point matters as well since there has been a bunch of UT cooling lately in temperate zones (can’t find a link right now). Here’s a related paper pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/r-3461.pdf
They don’t understand it, they don’t report it.
They may be seeking experts that can evaluate this, but possibly like you said they will do nothing.
[[Well, don’t forget that Global Warming causes everything.]]
Yep- a report out today is trying, beleive it or not- to blame the rise in prostitution on global warming
Personally, I think global warmign is causing tooth decay and hairline fractures of our miniscus bones- Thank goodness we’ll all have FREE FREE FREE healthcare soon to ‘combat the health problems caused by global wamring’
look where 0.0 is in both and which side of the line they lay on.