Posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:17 PM PST by jveritas
First - thanks for your posts. The chicken littles were getting out of hand. No I understand that the bill will essentially regulate insurance companies out of the healthcare business. It will harm care, harm doctors and other companies in the health industry.
Obama has been promising more business to the drug companies and special side deals but there is nothing positive for anyone in the industry.
I think the point I was trying to make dovetails with what you said about things going on in the background. These comapnies and their lobbyists are not going to take this lying down. Ditto for doctors.
I would bet a lot of companies in CT are going to make sure Dodd gets bounced in 2010. Liberman is not going to cross Aetna in CT. He is too smart for that. A few drug companies and Cigna in PA will remember Specter’s vote in 2010.
Other Dems that are more moderate in redder states? I would guess a lot of doctors and other people in the industry will be doing everything they can to get Lincoln, Nelson, fat Mary in LA and others fired in 2010 if thos comes close to passing.
Thanks again for your posts.
“Tho perhaps all reconciled bills are subject to nullification after 5 years, what bills with this type of scope have ever been nullified? Seems at the very least we would have to hold conservative majorities in House, Senate, and Pres.”
Bush’s tax cuts are being nullified—the five years are up. The dems won’t renew. And you actually make my point. It’s looking very good that the dems are committing political suicide with this. We should be able to get our way in five years—if this thing should happen to pass by reconciliation.
Here is Intrade
Up slightly to $4.0 but the trend is clearly down - in a BIG way. People will say big deal but futures markets and bookies are a big deal.
The bet is whether it gets passed by the end of the year. My feeling is if it does not get passed by Dec. 31, 2008 then it is dead. No way they will touch it in Jan 2010. Unemployment benefits for many people will be up by then. It will not be a pretty time.
“My feeling is if it does not get passed by Dec. 31, 2008 then it is dead.”
Correction Dec 21, 2009.
I agree with your points somewhat, though there’s been a very strong pro-choice push to put their language back in. Keeping the Stupak amendment and the trigger option would be the intelligent course—since Pelosi can strong arm the libs in her chamber to accept the inevitable and since passage is impossible in the Senate unless this is done. But both Reid and Pelosi are ideologues—so who knows?
Nelson has plenty of other complaints. So does Bayh—who wrote an op-ed piece just the other day complaining about the huge deficits we’re facing. Then there’s Dorgan and Lincoln facing tough elections—and Warner who’s a former businessman and understands the dangers of deficit spending. Besides, he comes from VA where his side was clobbered recently. And there’s Webb, also from VA—and so it goes.
Hopefully we can keep the vote to close debate at 58 or 59.
It wont be easy for them, but it’s going to be a nailbiter either way.
Some believe this is also an engineered eventuality created to destroy Capitalism and allow Obama, Pelosi and Reid to recreate the USA in the Socialist image.
Doesn’t MA have a special election for Kennedy’s seat???
I totally agree. There is a lot of local politics being at stake here in many states and districts.
A couple of other upbeat points:
David Broder, the dean of liberal journalists, will come out with a Washington Post column tomorrow that tears the bill to shreds for its fiscal irresponsibility. It’s a devastating piece.
Bonnie Erbe, another liberal journalist who writes for US News and World Report, came out with a scathing denouncement of the deal that paid Landrieu hundreds of millions to vote yes to proceed.
So the liberal media is not altogether on this. Some important voices are being raised at a critical time—and they carry weight with a lot of politicians. Broder is especially regarded highly.
Yes, January 19 2009.
I qualified my comment by saying a bill with this scope. Similar far-reaching bills would be Soc. Sec. The Bush Tax Cuts were set to expire from the onset. The Health Care “Reform” bill is not. I think it will take an act of God to get it nullified. That said, I hope you are correct; hope it is in fact political suicide and that the bill will be nullified. Please prove me wrong in a few years!!!
you mean 1-19-2010...right?
All the bills you mentioned were passed with bipartisan support. This is the first time in modern history a major bill has only been supported by one of the parties. The Democratic coalition is already fracturing as a result. Independents now lean heavily toward the GOP. Seniors ditto. There’s evidence suburbanites are likewise disgusted. So there’s a likelihood the GOP would benefit—and be well-positioned to undo this thing should it go through the reconciliation process, especially if we unseat Obama in 2012. That said, it’s unlikely to go that route.
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I should have written sign in date instead of sign off.
Correct.
Actually New York has two. Gillebrand's seat for the remaining two years of Clinton's term. Schumer's seat for a full term.
Congresscritters can’t be recalled. That is unconstitutional.
Some believe this is also an engineered eventuality created to destroy Capitalism and allow Obama, Pelosi and Reid to recreate the USA in the Socialist image.
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I believe that. I also believe they tanked the markets in fall of 2008 because McCain was up in the polls.
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