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Stop the Hysteria: The Vote on Health Care Bill Is Long From Being Over
November 21 2009 | jeveritas

Posted on 11/21/2009 7:26:17 PM PST by jveritas

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To: praepos

First - thanks for your posts. The chicken littles were getting out of hand. No I understand that the bill will essentially regulate insurance companies out of the healthcare business. It will harm care, harm doctors and other companies in the health industry.

Obama has been promising more business to the drug companies and special side deals but there is nothing positive for anyone in the industry.

I think the point I was trying to make dovetails with what you said about things going on in the background. These comapnies and their lobbyists are not going to take this lying down. Ditto for doctors.

I would bet a lot of companies in CT are going to make sure Dodd gets bounced in 2010. Liberman is not going to cross Aetna in CT. He is too smart for that. A few drug companies and Cigna in PA will remember Specter’s vote in 2010.

Other Dems that are more moderate in redder states? I would guess a lot of doctors and other people in the industry will be doing everything they can to get Lincoln, Nelson, fat Mary in LA and others fired in 2010 if thos comes close to passing.

Thanks again for your posts.


141 posted on 11/21/2009 10:00:27 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: bushwon

“Tho perhaps all reconciled bills are subject to nullification after 5 years, what bills with this type of scope have ever been nullified? Seems at the very least we would have to hold conservative majorities in House, Senate, and Pres.”

Bush’s tax cuts are being nullified—the five years are up. The dems won’t renew. And you actually make my point. It’s looking very good that the dems are committing political suicide with this. We should be able to get our way in five years—if this thing should happen to pass by reconciliation.


142 posted on 11/21/2009 10:07:23 PM PST by praepos
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To: Frantzie

Here is Intrade

http://www.intrade.com/

http://data.intrade.com/graphing/jsp/closingPricesForm.jsp?tradeURL=https://www.intrade.com&contractId=683800

Up slightly to $4.0 but the trend is clearly down - in a BIG way. People will say big deal but futures markets and bookies are a big deal.

The bet is whether it gets passed by the end of the year. My feeling is if it does not get passed by Dec. 31, 2008 then it is dead. No way they will touch it in Jan 2010. Unemployment benefits for many people will be up by then. It will not be a pretty time.


143 posted on 11/21/2009 10:09:22 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Frantzie

“My feeling is if it does not get passed by Dec. 31, 2008 then it is dead.”

Correction Dec 21, 2009.


144 posted on 11/21/2009 10:12:30 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: rbmillerjr

I agree with your points somewhat, though there’s been a very strong pro-choice push to put their language back in. Keeping the Stupak amendment and the trigger option would be the intelligent course—since Pelosi can strong arm the libs in her chamber to accept the inevitable and since passage is impossible in the Senate unless this is done. But both Reid and Pelosi are ideologues—so who knows?

Nelson has plenty of other complaints. So does Bayh—who wrote an op-ed piece just the other day complaining about the huge deficits we’re facing. Then there’s Dorgan and Lincoln facing tough elections—and Warner who’s a former businessman and understands the dangers of deficit spending. Besides, he comes from VA where his side was clobbered recently. And there’s Webb, also from VA—and so it goes.


145 posted on 11/21/2009 10:19:01 PM PST by praepos
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To: praepos

Hopefully we can keep the vote to close debate at 58 or 59.

It wont be easy for them, but it’s going to be a nailbiter either way.


146 posted on 11/21/2009 10:22:24 PM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: GilGil
The collapse of the dollar is a day by day event now. the US government cannot stop it and has lost control of the economy.

Some believe this is also an engineered eventuality created to destroy Capitalism and allow Obama, Pelosi and Reid to recreate the USA in the Socialist image.

147 posted on 11/21/2009 10:26:31 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: All

Doesn’t MA have a special election for Kennedy’s seat???


148 posted on 11/21/2009 10:28:15 PM PST by ak267
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To: praepos

I totally agree. There is a lot of local politics being at stake here in many states and districts.


149 posted on 11/21/2009 10:29:08 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: praepos

A couple of other upbeat points:

David Broder, the dean of liberal journalists, will come out with a Washington Post column tomorrow that tears the bill to shreds for its fiscal irresponsibility. It’s a devastating piece.

Bonnie Erbe, another liberal journalist who writes for US News and World Report, came out with a scathing denouncement of the deal that paid Landrieu hundreds of millions to vote yes to proceed.

So the liberal media is not altogether on this. Some important voices are being raised at a critical time—and they carry weight with a lot of politicians. Broder is especially regarded highly.


150 posted on 11/21/2009 10:41:10 PM PST by praepos
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To: ak267

Yes, January 19 2009.


151 posted on 11/21/2009 10:46:53 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: praepos

I qualified my comment by saying a bill with this scope. Similar far-reaching bills would be Soc. Sec. The Bush Tax Cuts were set to expire from the onset. The Health Care “Reform” bill is not. I think it will take an act of God to get it nullified. That said, I hope you are correct; hope it is in fact political suicide and that the bill will be nullified. Please prove me wrong in a few years!!!


152 posted on 11/21/2009 10:55:34 PM PST by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: jveritas

you mean 1-19-2010...right?


153 posted on 11/21/2009 11:03:58 PM PST by ak267
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To: bushwon

All the bills you mentioned were passed with bipartisan support. This is the first time in modern history a major bill has only been supported by one of the parties. The Democratic coalition is already fracturing as a result. Independents now lean heavily toward the GOP. Seniors ditto. There’s evidence suburbanites are likewise disgusted. So there’s a likelihood the GOP would benefit—and be well-positioned to undo this thing should it go through the reconciliation process, especially if we unseat Obama in 2012. That said, it’s unlikely to go that route.


154 posted on 11/21/2009 11:18:17 PM PST by praepos
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To: Electric Graffiti; praepos
praepos posts are very good and very informative. He is doing very good analysis in his writings. Please lay off this childish sign off crap.

Welcome to FR praepos.

155 posted on 11/21/2009 11:32:43 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Electric Graffiti; praepos

I should have written sign in date instead of sign off.


156 posted on 11/21/2009 11:34:46 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: ak267

Correct.


157 posted on 11/21/2009 11:35:11 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas
New York has one

Actually New York has two. Gillebrand's seat for the remaining two years of Clinton's term. Schumer's seat for a full term.

158 posted on 11/21/2009 11:45:12 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a wild-eyed, exclusionist, birther religio-beast -- Daily Kos)
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To: Frantzie; Secret Agent Man

Congresscritters can’t be recalled. That is unconstitutional.


159 posted on 11/21/2009 11:56:42 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a wild-eyed, exclusionist, birther religio-beast -- Daily Kos)
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To: higgmeister

Some believe this is also an engineered eventuality created to destroy Capitalism and allow Obama, Pelosi and Reid to recreate the USA in the Socialist image.
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I believe that. I also believe they tanked the markets in fall of 2008 because McCain was up in the polls.


160 posted on 11/22/2009 12:03:16 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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