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JFK Theories; Oswald and Hasan
Pajamas Media ^ | November 22 | Ron Rosenbaum

Posted on 11/22/2009 8:32:25 AM PST by AJKauf

Any new theories? Where do you stand on the old theories? Is the Warren Report conclusion (for all the flaws in its investigation) beginning to worm its way into your heart?

Did the assassination change your life? Did it (and successive assassinations) change your vision of America? Your vision of the world? Or is it irrelevant that there’s still doubt warranted (pun intended). Irrelevant in toto? (the Latin word, not Dorothy’s dog).

I’ve been thinking about Oswald. I think he fired shots that day. I can’t be sure he was alone, although I haven’t been convinced by any of the conspiracy theories. More importantly I can’t be sure why he did it. He was somewhere on the spectrum between nutcase and ideologue, maybe a combination of both.

Like a certain other shooter of recent vintage. It’s a dangerous combination.

Anyway, I’m interested in what people think about or if they do. It is November 22nd, you know. ....

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To: word_warrior_bob
Oswald being the shooter does not preclude a conspiracy, although probably the sort of Grand Conspiracy, that folks seem to like. He could have had help, he could have been sent back to the US by the Soviets for such a purpose. Those things can't be proven by forensics. But more likely, he did act alone, simply because he didn't need any help, not even logistical, to do what he did.

Same with Hasan, he probably got "inspiration" from off shore, but it seems he was helping them, with $$$, they weren't supporting him. It is, of course, still possible that he was directed by his overseas contacts. Being in the army, he had access to the post, and being a citizen with a clean record, to any federally legal weapon whatsoever. I'm glad he didn't pick something even more lethal on a hit by hit basis.

51 posted on 11/22/2009 11:41:54 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Reagan Man
Which Johnson did, barely. However, I don't buy into this notion that JFK was less liberal then LBJ. That somehow JFK was a conservative. That is a total fallacy.

Never said he was. But in those days, even Democrats were usually attempting to work in the best interests of the US in the foreign policy arena, unlike today's "US is always wrong" crop of 'Rat leaders. JFK would have been more competent there, as LBJ was more competent in the domestic arena.

52 posted on 11/22/2009 11:54:48 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Reagan Man
Which Johnson did, barely. However, I don't buy into this notion that JFK was less liberal then LBJ. That somehow JFK was a conservative. That is a total fallacy.

Never said he was. But in those days, even Democrats were usually attempting to work in the best interests of the US in the foreign policy arena, unlike today's "US is always wrong" crop of 'Rat leaders. JFK would have been more competent there, as LBJ was more competent in the domestic arena.

53 posted on 11/22/2009 11:55:00 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

I worked 2nd shift at Love Field, so watched the JFK shooting, etc., on TV an hour or so before going to work. All flights in and out were canceled. While walking into the building, I noticed men with automatic weapons on the roof of the terminal and concourses.

AF1 was parked only about 200 feet away from the large window of my office that looked out on the tarmac and runways. No one was permitted outside. From the window, I watched the coffin being loaded aboard and Jackie and others entering the plane. Shortly afterward, Judge Sarah T. Hughes boarded and that’s where she gave the oath of office to LBJ. AF1 took off a few minutes later. ....It was a long night, due to the delayed and canceled flights!

I’ve never believed the Warren Report; too many inconsistencies (like the pristine bullet found on the gurney, that supposedly had gone through JFK and Connaly but was not marred in any way). I’ve never thought Oswald was the only shooter. ....I’ve always suspected that LBJ played a role in the asassination. He was a dirty bastard.


54 posted on 11/22/2009 12:19:50 PM PST by octex
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To: AJKauf

More Conspiracy Theory for Everyone:

What kind of father only meets his own son once in 30 years, at an airport?

Even this simple fact seems to have been nearly non-reported.

and then ...

If you were raised for 8 years, from the age of 10 to 18, by a card carrying bi-sexual radical AA Communist from Chicago with a 601 page FBI file, what kind of Community Organizer would you be?????

One who prefers “Marxist professors”, so that you wouldn’t be a “sell-out”???

Is it any wonder no college records have been released, or ever will be?

HIs first pol, to whom he was “chief of staff”, flew often to Moscow for the Communist Party Congress and came back praising the Soviet Union. He didn’t quit and he didn’t protest.

When he cheated her by getting her kicked off the re-election ballot (using legalistic tricks, just like he does now), SHE never protested, nor would accept any interviews.

Can you say “Party Discipline???

I mean, his mother met his “father’ while studying Russian for God’s sakes -— in 1959!!!

Have you never read in a history book that the Russians look for future agents in Russian Language classes? Of course! Where else to look?

Please read this, and tell everyone:

KGB knowledge and boasting ???

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13267412/The-Kenyan-Candidate-Obama-SetUp-Known-in-Moscow-in-1991-the-First-Time-I-Heard-of-Barack

Then ask yourself, and everyone around you:

Why do the President’s two daughters both have Russian names???

Ever met any African-American who has two children, both with Russian names???

Ever met ANYONE who has two children, both with Russian names???

I haven’t.

Mmmm mmmmm mmmmmm.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15127


55 posted on 11/22/2009 12:20:38 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: fhayek

Agree with you, fhayek!

No way that “magic” bullet did so much damage and was not deformed in any way. ......If anyone has ever shot a canteloupe or watermelon, they know that target does NOT suddenly jerk toward the entry point; it goes in the opposite direction...the exit point... just as JFK’s head did.


56 posted on 11/22/2009 12:32:34 PM PST by octex
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To: tophat9000

head wound..the exit is the big hole...the exit hole is in the front ..


Then why did the back of his skull and brain matter find itself on the trunk of the limo and Jackie???


57 posted on 11/22/2009 12:47:34 PM PST by octex
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To: word_warrior_bob
I watched the video. I am a fan of Penn and Teller. But, with the possible exception of a number of Democrats, a head is not a melon. Furthermore, Kennedy's head was not sitting stationary on a stool, it was moving forward sitting on his spine. The blow out in the video went forward. Jackie Kennedy retrieved the parts of his skull behind him.
58 posted on 11/22/2009 12:49:39 PM PST by fhayek
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To: octex

See post 27 and post 32 to dispel the two myths you just repeated.


59 posted on 11/22/2009 12:53:33 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: fhayek

Watch the video again, some fragments do go backwards but the bulk of the goo/brain go forward, just like in the video and just like what happened to JFK.

The shot came from behind. It seems the conspiracy theorists are on the wrong side of every test. The melon is used because it replicates a brain well, just like the gel and bone cadavers are used because they represent bodies well. No one wants to use human heads and cadavers for all these experiments.


60 posted on 11/22/2009 1:03:16 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: fhayek

The blow out in the video went forward.

__________

Yes it did, surely you’re not saying that it supports your conclusion and not mine, because it doesn’t.

The blow out went forward (huge exit wound) from a shot from BEHIND.

If the shot came from the FRONT the huge exit wound blow out of goo would have went from the OTHER direction. IT DID NOT, on JFK or the melon.

Are you saying P & T are describing the opposite of what they said?????????? The conclusion is that the shot came from behind, the reaction of the melon and JFK’s head are similar, consistent with a shot from behind.


61 posted on 11/22/2009 1:08:24 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: fhayek

To All....

I’ve noticed that no one has mentioned that the Doctors at Parkland Hospital in Dallas had sketched the entry and exit points of the gunshots. They, rightly, had jurisdiction of the body and should have done the autopsy iaw the law.

The Feds held them at gunpoint and took the body away. It was later autopsied at Bethesda and the sketches from the Doctors there did not match those done in Dallas. The Dallas Doctors testified to that and were totally ignored.

Just more fodder to disprove that there was at the least some sort of cover-up, if not a yet to possibly be disclosed conspiracy.

btw... It didn’t bother me at all that JFK, the liberal Dem, was killed. What DID bother me was that a President of the US was killed.


62 posted on 11/22/2009 1:12:56 PM PST by octex
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To: All
Like many of you, I used to think there was no way that Oswald acted alone... I had read many books, thinking that each one had some substance.

Then I read two truly substantive books, cover-to-cover, one right after the other. After that, I am fully convenced that Oswald pulled the trigger by himself, and that there were parties outside of the United States involved that found him to be a "useful idiot." I do believe that there was an attempt, mainly by LBJ and RFK to keep some things secret (the former for personal reasons, the latter in order to keep the image of his brother "respectable.") Of course, this is just my opinion based upon the books.

If you care to read them, check out:

Brothers in Arms: The Kennedys, the Castros, and the Politics of Murder
By Gus Russo, Stephen Molton
This book is impressive to me due to the deep research that was performed, the interviews conducted, and the thoroughness of every aspect of their investigation. They cover Oswald as the assassin, but do not get into the science or forensics of the assassination itself.

And then:

A Simple Act of Murder: November 22, 1963
by Mark Fuhrman
Like him or not, you have to give Fuhrman credit for his ability as an evidence investigator. (To bad he was put on trial for his alleged racist remarks during the O.J. trial - had that not have happened, the outcome might have put O.J. in prison much sooner. But fate has a way of working out, I guess.) In this book, Fuhrman deals strictly with time and evidence. While he does touch on the political aspects of the case, his focus is on the timeline and the evidence available (then and now.) He gets rid of the "magic bullet" through proper research and the fact that he doesn't ignore a dent in the stainless steel channel at the top of the windshield (where the top locks on to the car.) Had I served on an Oswald jury, and had I been presented with Fuhrman's gathered evidence, there would be no "shadow of a doubt." Oswald as lone assassin: GUILTY

Some of you may flame me for my view... That's fine, too. I'm entitled to my opinion, just as you are to yours. But if you haven't read these two books and are interested in the Kennedy assassination at all, you are missing some key information.

Regards,
Raven6

63 posted on 11/22/2009 1:13:12 PM PST by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Go find & try the simulation program “JFK Reloaded”. It presents the situation from Oswald’s vantage point in real time, with you controlling the rifle. Makes it clear he could make that shot easy.


64 posted on 11/22/2009 1:20:05 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Pray for Obama, Psalm 109.)
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To: ctdonath2

I’ve seen that game, and I’ve also seen all the recreations with computer models that create the Plaza in every detail, everything points to Oswald on the sixth floor.

Somehow it’s hard to accept for people that all of these experiments keep pointing to a lone shooter on the 6th floor. Amazingly, none of these experiments point to a shooter on the knoll or a shot from the front, I guess science and physics are biased against a conspiracy.


65 posted on 11/22/2009 1:25:40 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Raven6

As you mention brothers in arms doesn’t cover the actual shooting, it’s just another conspiracy theory book.

Fuhrman’s book varies a little bit from Warren, Case Closed and Reclaiming History, I think the forensics are better in CC and RH, but Fuhrman still concluded Oswald acted alone.

The other books and shows are fun, but when you get down to the nitty gritty and analyze it, it’s Oswald and he’s alone.

Any other conclusion I put squarely in the 9/11 Truther category, they’re both equally ridiculous. The Crime of The Century HAS BEEN SOLVED, it was Oswald, alone. It’s just not as sexy as most would like it to be.


66 posted on 11/22/2009 1:35:58 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: AJKauf
I'm not sure what your title is driving at.

But a "lone nut" today, has more opportunities to hook up with other nuts, sometimes in a semi-anonymous fashion, thanks to the Internet.

In Oswald's day it was harder to make connections.

67 posted on 11/22/2009 1:44:20 PM PST by x
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To: lacrew

Many books have been written on various aspects of this subject. I’ve read many of them- some legitimate, most not. Some of the only facts that are incontrovertible pertain to ballistics. Again- get your facts straight.


68 posted on 11/22/2009 1:54:04 PM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: All; fhayek; lacrew; ElectionInspector; El Gato; octex; imjimbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfSXkfV_mhA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13wfsdACktk&feature=related 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13wfsdACktk&feature=related 2 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RCX3RdVHqo&feature=related 1 of 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RX2phbWmgA&feature=related 2 of 2

If you have any interest at all in the JFK assassination you should watch these.


69 posted on 11/22/2009 2:08:56 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: AJKauf

If you want to see one wacked out theory about the JFK assassination and how it ties to Roswell go here for some entertaining reading...
http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_jfk.htm

Another wacky one I saw on the net was that Jackie did it.


70 posted on 11/22/2009 2:46:59 PM PST by plain talk
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To: AJKauf

This list has many old things we’ve heard but a few I had not heard:

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both were shot in the head.
Lincoln’s secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy’s secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners.
Both successors were named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names comprise fifteen letters.
Booth ran from the theatre and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theatre.
Booth and Oswald were both assassinated before their trials.
And here’s the kicker :
A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot he was with Marilyn Monroe


71 posted on 11/22/2009 3:58:24 PM PST by plain talk
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To: octex

72 posted on 11/22/2009 4:19:01 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: word_warrior_bob

The people who claim Kennedy was shot from the front can’t even tell you where the front of a limo is.


73 posted on 11/22/2009 4:22:10 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: octex

Is a windshield on a car at:

A. The front.
B. The back.
C. The right side.
D. The left side.
E. Attached to the trailer hitch.


74 posted on 11/22/2009 4:25:19 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: octex

That’s quite a story. I was in 2nd when it happened so I have no first hand experience - but - I personally knew dozens of people at Parkland who were there. For example I know that Arlen Specter made a special trip back to Dallas to re-interview Dr. McClelland with the express purpose of getting him to change his testimony. I don’t think too many people know that. Specter was a staff member for the Warren commission at that time.

Another weird factoid. One night I found myself at a party at Clint Murchison’s mansion on Forest Ave. - the very place that supposedly LBJ, Hoover and others had their rendezvous the night before the assassination and LBJ supposedly said there to his mistress - those bastards won’t bother us again after tomorrow.


75 posted on 11/22/2009 4:33:26 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: word_warrior_bob

The blow out in the video went forward. Jackie went backward. The shot came from the front. I don’t know why you think that it supports your theory.


76 posted on 11/22/2009 4:50:36 PM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek

The blow out in the video went forward. Jackie went backward. The shot came from the front. I don’t know why you think that it supports your theory.

_________

Are you saying Penn and Teller and I are misunderstanding what the video shows????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Good God man, you need to watch it again, if you think it supports your position, well you’re just wrong, I’m not sure what to say!?!?!?!?

The video shows the shot came from the back. Again are you saying that a video that is made to prove the shot came from the BACK actually shows the OPPOSITE??????????????????

Watch the other video links I posted too. They all show the shot came from BEHIND.


77 posted on 11/22/2009 4:55:08 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Penn and Tellers blow out went FORWARD. They shot from BEHIND. Jackie went BACKWARD, because he was shot from IN FRONT. Its not that complicated.


78 posted on 11/22/2009 4:59:41 PM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek

WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN.

Particles of the melon do fly backwards, the majority of the rest of the skull and brain matter fly FORWARD to the FRONT OF THE LIMO.

Just like with the melon.

Just like with JFK’s head.

Watch the videos in post 69.

All the evidence and re-creations PROVE THE SHOT CAME FROM BEHIND.


79 posted on 11/22/2009 5:04:00 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Grasping at straws.


80 posted on 11/22/2009 5:08:28 PM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek
The shot came from the front.

Where is the windshield on an automobile?

81 posted on 11/22/2009 5:13:15 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: octex
Go look at the Zapruder film and tell me the big exit head wound is the back of the skull...the exit head wound is the upper front right quarter between the right ear and right eye
82 posted on 11/22/2009 5:16:49 PM PST by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: fhayek

Are you kidding?

Do you think Jackie was shot or something?

I showed you a video where the presenters TOUT THE VIDEO as showing the shot came from BEHIND.

You say it shows it the shot came from the front and I’m grasping at straws????????????????????

I don’t think you understand, I think this is a miscommunication issue, no one could be that dense. No offense.


83 posted on 11/22/2009 5:20:32 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Dense is as dense does. No offense taken. Your video shows the blowout going FORWARD. It goes forward because the melon was shot from BEHIND. Kennedy’s skull fragments went BACKWARD. Jackie climbed backward because, well that’s where the fragments were. Now if Jackie went BACKWARD, and we extrapolate from YOUR video, John Fitzgerald Kennedy must have beeen shot from the FRONT. I am just using your video evidence.


84 posted on 11/22/2009 5:25:26 PM PST by fhayek
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To: word_warrior_bob

You forgot to mention JFK’s head moves forward on impact from frame 312 to 313 about two inches. It’s only after the intitial impact does the living President move his head backward.

You forgot to mention Zapruder was on the grassy knoll and filmed the corner of the picket fence. There’s no one there. The grassy knoll is at the right side of the limo during the third shot sequence. The railroad bridge and the eleven witnesses were toward the front of the limo.

There is no clear bullet hole through the windshield. Only the crack from one of the two larger fragments of the third shot. The second fragment from the third shot dented the inside windshield frame near the rearview mirror.


85 posted on 11/22/2009 5:26:28 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: fhayek

Where is the windshield on a car?


86 posted on 11/22/2009 5:28:18 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Where is the windshield on a car?

Tulsa, Oklahoma? I saw your question the first five times. I am not trying to be argumentative, but I still don't see the relevance.

87 posted on 11/22/2009 5:35:58 PM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek
It's the simplest question to be answered before trying to understand the JFK assassination. If you can't answer, you can't understand what happened at Dealy Plaza.
88 posted on 11/22/2009 5:40:22 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: fhayek

If you’re using MY video as evidence you either:

1. You are misunderstanding what you see

2. You live in an alternate universe where up is down and black is white

I told you to watch the video again, SOME fragments on the melon go backwards, and parts of JFK’s head go backwards in the Zapruder film. The BULK of the melon and JFK’s brain go forward from an exit wound from BEHIND.

What’s the difference where JACKIE GOES??????? It makes ZERO sense. Jackie WASN’T SHOT! lol The VAST MAJORITY of the skull fragments go to the FRONT OF THE LIMO from an exit wound from BEHIND. Unless you would like to insist everyone is lying.

If the Penn & Teller video actually proves a shot from the FRONT as you still claim, it would have been a HUGE STORY with the conspiracy crowd, how these skeptics got it totally wrong. This is what you’re suggesting and it’s totally irrational and illogical.

Just out of curiosity, what’s your view of 9/11?


89 posted on 11/22/2009 5:44:44 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

I didn’t think he could answer the simple question of the windshield. I could have bet on it.

They always seem to parrot the same old urban legends without trying to use just a little thinking on their part. It must be the school system where memorization is taught instead of learning to use their own brainpower.


90 posted on 11/22/2009 5:49:06 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

He keeps insisting the video shows the opposite of what it shows, I don’t understand, people claim to be interested in the subject but refuse to view both sides. To insist the P & T video supports his argument is well, to put it nicely, puzzling.

There’s some great links on post 69 that recreate the crime that should answer most all of the big questions and myths about the case. I’d like to hear back from some of those I pinged.


91 posted on 11/22/2009 5:53:25 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I will be fifty next April 7th. I was three and a half the day Kennedy was assassinated. It is the earliest memory I have. Of course, then, I knew nothing of JFK, or LBJ, or FBI or CIA or KGB. I remember (and this I remember with crystal clarity) my mother sitting on a round coffee table with her head in her hands, crying.

Everything I knew about Kennedy, or the assassination, I learned afterward.

I do not know the answers. I have no idea what happened that sunny fall day in Dallas. The problem that I have, the problem that nags me to this day is the sequence of events that, taken in total, seem, almost surreal.

They say that the shot from the back caused the head to jerk backwards, and that the blowout of brain and skull also went backwards. Well, maybe.
They say that one bullet went through Kennedy, caused two wound to Governor Connally, and worked its way out of his body to his stretcher with minimal damage (after the gun had been discovered). Okay, uh, maybe.
They say that lone nut Rudy killed lone nut Oswald on national TV, while in police custody. Yeah, possible, I guess.
They say that important autopsy records, Oswald interrogation notes and the parts of the president's brain (this THE crime of the century) all disappeared. Yeah, yeah, maybe.

But it seems to me, that unless Dealy Plaza, suddenly, and for one instant of time, transformed itself into the Twilight Zone, you are asking me to swallow a lot of "maybes".

That, and the fact that there is a perfectly understandable motive for the government to whitewash the crime with a lone wingnut theory, I have a hard time with the whole scenario. It was the middle of the cold war. The Cuban Missile Crisis happened barely a year before. Oswald had lived in Russia. Kennedy was dead. Investigating the murder could, conceivably lead to conclusions that might start WWIII. I don't know whose right. You could be right. I just think that too many odd suppositions must be accepted to believe that Oswald acted alone.

92 posted on 11/22/2009 6:03:59 PM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek

If someone put a gun to your head and asked you where is the windshield on a car, you couldn’t possibly give the correct answer. You’re only capable of giving answers to questions that aren’t asked.


93 posted on 11/22/2009 6:28:01 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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With all due respect, I think we ultimately are on the same team. (We all hate Obama, don’t we?) But if you bring up the mother f@#Cing windshield one more time, I think that I will blow my coronary artery. Laugh out f@#Cing loud!


94 posted on 11/22/2009 6:31:48 PM PST by fhayek
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To: word_warrior_bob

Ayn Rand had an entire chapter devoted to explaining the mental capacity of these people.

There is a scene in “Pulp Fiction” where the educated smartass college boy is in over his head and asked a simple question or get his head blown off. All he has to do is answer the question or die.

He died.


95 posted on 11/22/2009 6:32:28 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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Have enjoyed the JFK FR discussions throughout the years, learned alot.

It's a joy to watch the ‘Lonenutters’ gradually disappear spouting the official line, which BTW seems to me the the farthest out conspiracy of all, about JFK!

Also a long time student on the assassination here.

Should be a good panel on JFK tonight, C2C with George Knappe and Jim Marrs.

97 posted on 11/22/2009 8:56:55 PM PST by msnpatriot
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To: fhayek

‘smarmy arrogant SOB’!!? oh my! that was not nice! that sounds a lot like something Grover Norquist would say!!!! you know him right? the founder of the ‘islamic institute’, married to a muslim and a HUGE agenda setter, lobbyist, fund raiser and organizer for the American based muslim terrorist front ‘german bund’ type group organization, C.A.I.R, (he also is a past and current NRA board member I JUST verified but so what regarding that right? not important, not sure why the mention), I’m glad that the windshield location was cleared up tho. event witness, (overpass), george reedovich’s statement imm. following the shooting to the Dallas PD’s, C.R david, is very interesting if you care to look it up. quite a bit of first hand regarding that/the windshield and related. L.Harvey Oswald....lone shooter....believe it...get over it.


98 posted on 11/22/2009 11:24:33 PM PST by bobby.223
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Conspiracy theorist are incapable of thinking for themselves. The next question would have been where was the grassy knoll in regard to the limo. To the front, right, left or the rear on the third shot? The questions would have been complicated more and more so the guy could learn to think for himself.

The grassy knoll is to the right where Zapruder was filming. The windshield is to the front. You see where I’m leading?


99 posted on 11/23/2009 4:10:26 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: msnpatriot

Watch the links in post 69.

No one is spouting the “official line”, just pointing out that all of the FACTS point to Oswald acting alone. Not because we’re some government stooge.

You folks who mock people for believing the “official line” tend to be the types that believe everything to be a conspiracy, even 9/11, what’s your view of 9/11?

You think a Coast to Coast show with Jim Marrs is a good source on JFK? LOLOLOL You’re some “student” of the assassination. That’s like a medical student looking to a witch doctor for information.


100 posted on 11/23/2009 11:47:54 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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