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Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home (Thinking about selling your house? HA!)
Nachi ^ | 11/03/09 | Frank M. Carrio

Posted on 11/24/2009 6:06:11 PM PST by Libloather

Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home
Frank M. Carrio, CMI
ESOP Committee Member
11/3/09, 12:29 AM

We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington!

This Congress and whoever on their staffs that write this junk are truly out to destroy the middle class of the USA....

A License Required for your house

Thinking about selling your house - A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill) This is unbelievable!

Only the beginning from this administration! Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.

The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded.

However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this:

A year from now you won't be able to sell your house. Yes, you read that right.

The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included.

In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator. To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured.

Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.

Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner.

If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.

The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initial y so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.

The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings.

However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cap; home; license; trade
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Putting one country out of business. On the bright side - it'll turn into Kenya.
1 posted on 11/24/2009 6:06:13 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

LOCK AND LOAD!!!!!!


2 posted on 11/24/2009 6:07:19 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: Libloather

Americans better WTFU and see what their politicians are getting ready to nail them with.


3 posted on 11/24/2009 6:11:23 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Libloather
On the bright side - it'll turn into Kenya.

Home sweet home for Obozo.

Now I get it!

4 posted on 11/24/2009 6:12:38 PM PST by THX 1138 ("Harry, I have a gift.")
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To: Libloather

Every person that is thinking about buying a house NOW had better listen UP.
Now we know what that $8000. 1st home buyer scam was all about.
the Government was giving you *k. YOU will have NO excuse to NOT retro fit these houses on the market right now.


5 posted on 11/24/2009 6:12:38 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Venturer

Those dirty socialist/marxist bast**ds! We won’t go down easily and without uber-resistance. I can’t wait to see their faces when the inevitable happens.


6 posted on 11/24/2009 6:13:10 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: Venturer

Our congressman, Ike Skelton (D) 4th District, MO., voted for this.


7 posted on 11/24/2009 6:14:18 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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bookmark


8 posted on 11/24/2009 6:14:45 PM PST by Lorica
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To: hal ogen

So, how ‘bout I insure my home and then burn it to the ground. I get the money to rebuild it, but instead I sell the property and rebuild my house somewhere else.

How will that work?


9 posted on 11/24/2009 6:15:24 PM PST by Vermont Lt (My wife reads my posts. In case the FBI shows up, we will have cookies.)
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To: Libloather

Either they will have to impose marshal law and disarm most people who actually work for a living or they will have a violent revolution. Today, like every other day, reconfirms that they are Maoists.


10 posted on 11/24/2009 6:17:30 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: Libloather
We are ready to join the next march on Washington!

Please consider taking a page out of a playbook written by some guy with the name of Sherman (don't remember the rest).

America -- a great idea, didn't last.

11 posted on 11/24/2009 6:18:27 PM PST by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Libloather

Great little scam.
And of course any upgrades or remediation will have to be done by contractors licensed $$$ and approved $$$ by the govt.


12 posted on 11/24/2009 6:19:48 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: Vaquero

It is now official.
Democrat is not a political Party.
It is a mental disorder that belongs in the DSM iv


13 posted on 11/24/2009 6:24:17 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Libloather

All those people who took that $8,000 home tax credit are SUCKERS...once you take gubmint money they own your ass


14 posted on 11/24/2009 6:25:16 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: Libloather

It won’t be easy, but it does start to look like civil disobedience will be necessary if some of this stuff passes.


15 posted on 11/24/2009 6:25:49 PM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: nascarnation
any upgrades or remediation will have to be done by contractors licensed $$$ and approved $$$ by the govt.

Or SEIU
16 posted on 11/24/2009 6:25:53 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: nascarnation

You forgot... “with union labor.”


17 posted on 11/24/2009 6:26:48 PM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: Libloather

If these Marxists, communists pass this bill, the resulting violence will make the first civil war seem tame. Hatred has been brewing and the backlash will be violent and bloody.


18 posted on 11/24/2009 6:27:15 PM PST by cgchief
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To: Libloather

You left out the best part.


Old Butch
—————— -———— -———— —
John was in the fertilized egg business.
He had several hundred young layers (hens), called ‘pullets,’
and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.

He kept records, and any rooster not performing
went into the soup pot and was replaced.
This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells
and attached them to his roosters.

Each bell had a different tone, so he could tell from a distance,
which rooster was performing.
Now, he could sit on the porch And fill out an efficiency report
by just listening to the bells.
John’s favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen,
but this morning he noticed old Butch’s bell hadn’t rung at all!
When he went to investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing
pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run for cover.

To John’s amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn’t ring.
He’d sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one.
John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair
and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize
but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making.
Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren’t paying attention.

Vote carefully next year,

the bells are not always audible.


19 posted on 11/24/2009 6:28:32 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: Marty62

Don’t forget the DISPOSABLE appliances! No appliances that aren’t new enough will be fixed - repairmen will get a bounty for every old appliance they declare unfixable.

This dries up the used appliance market, the appliance parts market.

Anybody guess GE has anything to do with this??? (just my opinion)


20 posted on 11/24/2009 6:29:25 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: THX 1138; AT7Saluki
Home sweet home for Obozo.

Hut sweet hut.

21 posted on 11/24/2009 6:30:49 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Williams

Global Warming has collapsed . The science was definitely rigged and the Earth has cooled over the last 10 year. Don’t let these bastards say “Climate Change” . Ask them -—” Oh How did it change?” They discombobulate before you eyes. WE WON!!! The Climate change crap was a lie to get more control over your life. IT HAS FAILED. Tolerate no further discussions.


22 posted on 11/24/2009 6:31:42 PM PST by londonfog
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To: RebelTXRose

Does the outrages EVER stop.
I’m starting to think that GE is a criminal enterprise.

They put out figures that housing purchases were up 10%.
Are these people being warned about this Cap and Trade BS.


23 posted on 11/24/2009 6:36:26 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Libloather
One occupation that will benefit will be HVAC installers and salesmen. But seriously, what it will do is put an financial and hassle obstacle in the way of selling a home, and because of that families will be increasingly reluctant to do so. Moreover, people will start to abandon homes and walk away from their mortgages.

In effect, for someone who doesn't qualify for “compliance aid”, the cost of compliance will be deducted from whatever net equity they may have. With almost 1 in 4 homeowners being underwater (or upside down) with negative home equity, just how much will this law boost that proportion?

As if Cap’n-Tax isn't bad enough! This will be really bad for the economy!

24 posted on 11/24/2009 6:36:43 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Libloather; TheSarce; Gracey; basil; DrewsDad; WOSG; TXBubba; austingirl; The Bat Lady; ...

but....but....but with the hackers emails revealed that global warming .... I mean ...WARMAL GLOATING.... to be total LIES...why are we even talking about Cap & Tax.... it is settled science... there should be no more discussion.

We need to call our Senators & congressmen & States legislature and tell them we will not tolerate any Copenhagen, executive orders, treaties, global warming, green jobs, twisty lighbulbs, textbooks that promote global warming. No more talk about polar bears declining (they are increasing) no more wind, solar etc.

We need to drill, baby, drill everywhere in the US there is oil, it should be available to drill.

Let’s stop the madness and trillions of dollars spent for NOTHING.


25 posted on 11/24/2009 6:37:43 PM PST by The Bat Lady (the Global Warming HOAX has been revealed 11/19/09, it is over. You lied, you lost!)
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To: RebelTXRose; AT7Saluki
...repairmen will get a bounty for every old appliance they declare unfixable.

I wish. Manufacturers make things that are cheap enough that a new one, with warranty, costs less than the repair. Hey, they aren't stupid. Just think about the lost repairmen jobs.

26 posted on 11/24/2009 6:38:52 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: THX 1138

Why do so many Kenyans live in huts? Maybe they tax houses there,too.


27 posted on 11/24/2009 6:39:48 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((No jobs, licenses,mortgages,bank accounts or amnesty for any illegal alien criminals ! ))
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To: londonfog

“Global Warming has collapsed .”

The ONLY folks willing to report on this is FOX news. According to Glenn Beck, aside from the newspapers, NO other TV station has reported on it yet and until they do, it will be business as usual.


28 posted on 11/24/2009 6:41:05 PM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Kimberly GG

No . It is over. The science is junk. DRILL DRILL DRILL !!!!!


29 posted on 11/24/2009 6:44:05 PM PST by londonfog
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To: 1ofmanyfree
Why do so many Kenyans live in huts? Maybe they tax have to buy licenses for houses there,too.

There, fixed it.

30 posted on 11/24/2009 6:44:15 PM PST by 1ofmanyfree ((No jobs, licenses,mortgages,bank accounts or amnesty for any illegal alien criminals ! ))
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To: Libloather

Wow, another excuse for people to walk away.....


31 posted on 11/24/2009 6:44:38 PM PST by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: Vermont Lt

For starters you will have to buy carbon credits from Al Gore. Then you will have to give him something extra so he doesn’t tell the insurance company.

Then you’ll need a flak jacket to minimize the damage to your ribs after the electrical and plumbers unions find out that they’ve been cut out.


32 posted on 11/24/2009 6:48:13 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Kimberly GG
The ONLY folks willing to report on this is FOX news. According to Glenn Beck, aside from the newspapers, NO other TV station has reported on it yet and until they do, it will be business as usual.

But that doesn't mean we have to take it! We can contact our Congressmen, tell them we expect nothing less than the truth of this, and then tell the media. If enough of us do that, they have to report and listen.

Call the Pres__ent (no ID) and tell him, no Koyoto, no Copenhagen, we have the truth, we need to pressure them. Be relentless, if not FReepers, who then?

33 posted on 11/24/2009 6:48:27 PM PST by The Bat Lady (the Global Warming HOAX has been revealed 11/19/09, it is over. You lied, you lost!)
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To: Libloather

People with old houses are really screwed!


34 posted on 11/24/2009 6:48:31 PM PST by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: Libloather

I can see a lot of people just burning the place down and collect the insurance money.

I’m sure these days that would be a much higher amount than what the property would sell for.


35 posted on 11/24/2009 6:48:55 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Williams

“It won’t be easy, but it does start to look like civil disobedience will be necessary if some of this stuff passes.”

No. It won’t be easy. Conservatives are not accustomed to behaving the way progressives do. But it’s high time we learn to beat them at their own game. For example...Glenn Beck interviewed Dave Horowitz the other day. Horowitz, in the following footage, suggests that conservative women try “sit ins” in protest of..... (make the message as outrageous as they would)to fight Obamacare/rationing of mammagrams/Pap tests. As much as I hate to think it, we need to apply Alinsky tactics in order to be heard!

Beck/Horowitz 1
http://www.youtube.com/user/BuckFarack#p/u/11/8_1wVKSzrX8

Beck/Horowitz 2
http://www.youtube.com/user/BuckFarack#p/u/10/RnBHCrtnkyU


36 posted on 11/24/2009 6:50:54 PM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Libloather

More ramifications why this Climategate has such mega implications. This is amazing ammo.


37 posted on 11/24/2009 6:50:56 PM PST by caper gal 1 (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Libloather
The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included.

I see a rash of home fires when people decide to move.

38 posted on 11/24/2009 6:52:08 PM PST by Mike Darancette (0bama Happens)
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To: Libloather

Ooops ... wait a minute.

We might want to read this article first before we go burning down any houses for insurance money.

http://www.up2daterealestate.com/2009/07/08/will-cap-trade-affect-home-sales-an-update/

This labeling of existing homes might not be true after all.


39 posted on 11/24/2009 6:53:35 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Marty62
Imagine how much fire insurance will cost after this BS.
40 posted on 11/24/2009 7:03:13 PM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: pandoraou812

Head’s up on this.


41 posted on 11/24/2009 7:04:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: caper gal 1

Nailed it!


42 posted on 11/24/2009 7:05:05 PM PST by hyperconservative (Heartfelt humble thanks to the Great Whistleblower @ CRU!!)
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To: MaxMax

Lot’s and lot’s and lot’s.

When people are backed into a corner, they may do just about anything.


43 posted on 11/24/2009 7:11:51 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is Americas First Failed Black Pres-dent.....)
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To: MaxMax

oathkeepers.org


44 posted on 11/24/2009 7:14:33 PM PST by manonCANAL
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To: Libloather

There will never be enough rope to hang them all, but we should try.


45 posted on 11/24/2009 7:15:07 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is Americas First Failed Black Pres-dent.....)
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To: smokingfrog

46 posted on 11/24/2009 7:18:57 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Libloather

According to Snopes.com, this is false.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp


47 posted on 11/24/2009 7:31:12 PM PST by Man With A Gun
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To: Man With A Gun
According to Snopes.com, this is false.

Snopes has been wrong. Who Snopes Snopes?

48 posted on 11/24/2009 7:38:50 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Vermont Lt
So, how ‘bout I insure my home and then burn it to the ground. I get the money to rebuild it, but instead I sell the property and rebuild my house somewhere else.

How will that work?



It should work very well indeed, if your goal is to land in the penitentiary for arson and insurance fraud.

That's one way to do it, anyway.
49 posted on 11/24/2009 7:43:24 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Gator113
Another thing is that the less energy you use, the more FEEs you will pay
to keep up the infrastructure, so there will not be any savings.
Overall everyone will pay the same no matter what your usage is.
50 posted on 11/24/2009 7:58:34 PM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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