Skip to comments.Free Republic does not and will not support RINOS!! Not now!! Not ever!!
Posted on 11/26/2009 9:55:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Apparently there are still some posters on FR who are fast asleep. Wake up! Dammit! We are in the middle of a conservative rebellion! While you were sleeping we, along with millions of other freedom loving grassroots Americans have participated in hundreds of tea parties all across this great land and fully intend to keep it up until all of America is awake. We are fed up and mad as hell! We grassroots Americans are delivering a message to the ruling class: NO MORE!!
No more big government! No more high taxes! No more government bailouts! No more government takeovers! No government healthcare! No more corruption! No more global baloneyism!!
We're sick and tired of liberals and RINOs running roughshod over our God given Liberty!
We want our country back! We want our freedom back! We want it all back!!
No more socialism!!
Cut the taxes! Cut the spending! Cut the government!
Restore the constitutional limits on government! Restore our freedom!!
And not only no, but HELL NO to liberals and RINOS!!
Free Republic will not support RINOS!! Rudy McRomney, et al, can go straight to hell!!
The strategy is we win, they lose.
Fine, but it has to start at the bottom. Hearts and minds must be changed one by one.
They aren't afraid of us yet. I think there's a Jefferson quote about the government needing to be afraid of the people.
Thanks! It takes a lot out of me to settle down and quantify these things. I’m glad to hear that some think it was worth the effort!
I do not understand the desire to do it.
Well, from your very first post on this thread, #678 to Cedric:
Last Sat. night, I was glad for a few RINOs.
Besides, the bigots on here even call me names and a RINO. They couldn't be more wrong but I will never allow a RAT to defeat a Republican if I have any power to do anything about it.
Your first post isn't to us but to Cedric. And no one had had any prior communication with you on this thread. Yet you in your first post call to complain to him, and call us bigots. You may not understand the desire to be nasty, but it obviously comes natural to you.
The people at the bottom that wanted change, and joined the tea parties. The rest..what are they doing? Where’s the evidence that they are demanding change from the top? Show us proof. Tea partiers are on top of this, demanding change.. Where is the base of the GOP?
I remember that quote...hang on a sec
No, not lonely at all. What don’t you get back to chasing aliens? Good grief, if you’re typical of the Palin crowd then you make my point.
First of all, NOBODY is further to the left than Zero. Except, perhaps, Lucifer himself.
Secondly, the way I understand it, Newt didn't stick himself anywhere. The NRCC chose Dede. Not Newt. Newt just went along and supported the candidate that the friggin NRCC picked/chose. Blame the NRCC? That would be a damned refreshing change.
I want to know how the hell Newt went from being a conservative Republican hero/icon to being, according to you and a few others here, a RINO. I want to get to the bottom of this and if it turns out that you guys are unfairly attacking him or blaming HIM (which is exactly what it's looking like to me so far), I want to know what the REAL reason is. Cause so far, all I've heard is BS and lame@ss accusations.
It was most DEFINITELY worth the effort.
European-American = white people. Do you have some kind of problem with white people?
A lot of people in my state did exactly that, and we got....Arlen Specter. I did not vote for him, but many rs did. Gee. That worked out swell for us.
Do you have any link to support that? Cause from my perspective, his explanation to Sean Hannity sounded perfectly plausible and logical. And again...where is all the friggin blame that should be placed on the idiots in the NRCC that picked her in the first place? Can ANYONE answer that question that I have now had to ask about a dozen times with still no cogent response?
Excuse me but the last time I checked, we are allowed opinions whether you like them or not.
Yeah, I know what this thread is about. But since I haven’t been able to get a decent explanation on why everyone is targeting Newt instead of the NRCC, I thought I’d throw it into the mix and maybe I’d ‘get lucky’. So far, it’s SOL/no such luck.
Kim pinged me to it HH. It says it all. Should be made into fliers and posted on bulletin boards at party hq and anywhere else there’s an empty space.
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
“he who would surrender a measure of freedom for a measure of safety; deserves neither freedom nor safety”
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. “
“What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? “
“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. “
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Ever hear the old saying 'Actions speak louder than words'? I've learned over my life that what a person does with his life speaks more than what he tells me he's accomplished. Sometimes, when we root out the facts, the words ring hollow. I'm not speaking of you when I say that, only pointing out a hole in your point.
I do see, however, a discrepancy in your words vs. your actions. You speak a conservative line, but your trust in GOP solidarity belies your spoken beliefs. GOP solidarity will not win the day for America when so many GOP politicians are Democrat lite. And if you are so pro capitalist, pro small government as you depict, then your approach is defeatist in itself. And my pointing that out is not a cheap DU trick; it's stating the obvious.
...and since I'm still here, I guess I'm not the devil to be banned at this point.
Well, I don't see you as the Devil, simply a very misguided person who hasn't woken to what's coming. One who's also very determined not to change in the face of blunt fact. But that's your decision. And that doesn't make you someone worth a zot. At least in my opinion. But you'd best wear your flame-retardant undies around here. There's more to come given your opinion.
Every one of those apply. I wonder if they are still taught in school.
I don’t think so.... I did have my own kids do outside reading. Freedom —don’t think that was explained too much unless it related to slavery.
Newt never backed down from his support from Scozzafava. He didn’t even back down after she dropped out. He tried to put a happy face on it, but that was all. I can’t give you a link without a very time consuming trip back through threads and searches, but the facts are well known.
As to the blame for the NRCC members who appointed her, I’ve seen that on FR as well. But Newt being such a big name in Republican circles, he caught the brunt of the criticism, and rightly so in my estimation. Newt has been held as the father of contemporary conservatism. That stems from his speakership and his involvement in the Contract With America. But as others have pointed out, his dipping into the GW Kool Aid, his dealings with Pelosi, his misguided support for such a flaming liberal as Scozzafava, he’s lost his aura and is no longer a favorite around here.
Been down by the flood control dam lately?
That’s kinda what I thought too. It goes along with the libs whole “gotta rewrite history” thing
Is there a newt thread somewhere you could maybe visit? This ain’t a newt thread.
BUT what is it about calling conservatism dead, being a global warming supporter, supporting a candidate who coddles pedophiles and votes in favor of gay marriage don’t you understand?
What is it about going on Hannity and saying we had a right to be angry, and two days later he was defending scozzafava again has escaped your attention?
Did you also misss his dissing of Rush? I mean, come on. He has become what he campaigned against before he became what HE considers the defacto party leader and an elitist to boot. If we don’t follow HIS pearls of wisdom, WE are just the great,stupid, unwashed. Newt was a man for his time. His time has passed. Now he is seeking relevancy, and even if he is wrong, provably so, he defends his wrongness by calling everyone who disagrees with him wrong.
You can say that again. I'm frankly surprised I haven't received a time suspension for some of the things I've said. But, I take it for only so long...
And congrats on your summation. It is a fine read and well stated. My hat is off to you.
I was hoping jimrob would show back up, maybe he got his fill of it last night. You guys are awesome...glad to be by your side.
Well, I haven’t seen any evidence of Newt wanting the other side to like him. I did read his explanation on why the ad and it sounded logical to me (http://newt.org/tabid/193/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3351/Default.aspx). HE sounds logical to me. Unless or until someone can provide me with solid proof that he’s a DemocRat @ss kisser, I’ll have to respectfully disagree and refute.
Newt brought us Contract With America during the worst eight years this country has been through (IMO) ....(ahem, the worst so far). I just find it hard to believe that he could be magically transformed from a solid conservative to a RINO that easily and quickly.... and just because a few of you guys ‘say so’.
I’m am sooo not convinced, and God knows, we need all of the conservatives on our side that we can get. If Newt is really one of us, we need him. I’m going to get to the bottom of this. Some how. Some way.
Well if you’re going to throw out every Rep that chooses party (Republican Party, that is) loyalty over ...(what’s the alternative you’re expecting from him?)...
what’s gonna be left? Zip, Zilch and Nada.
So, according to you anti-Newters, Newt should have told the NRCC to F-off then. Right? Is that how you would have played it? Really? Cause I’m not even seeing you freepers blaming the NRCC. Just Newt.
I already said there were posts on FR condemning the actions of the NRCC. There were numerous ones. But Newt and the NRCC both have a dog to hunt in this issue, and neither one trumps the other. The NRCC was wrong to appoint Scozzafava in the first place, and Newt was equally wrong in blindly backing her; especially in the face of determined opposition. Both actions deserve condemnation from conservatives. Both received condemnation. And that's the end of the story.
How can it be the end of the story if Newt is a RINO? And if he isn’t a RINO, then he’s being unfairly targeted.
I just want to find out the truth and the ‘why’. I’m funny that way.
Thank you ~Kim4VRWC’s~. If you’d like to ping folks to it, be my guest. I don’t generally like to ping folks in on my comments directed to one Freeper, unless it is soundly germane to the thread.
I do think it related a very important message to those who write off states, but that’s my take on it.
I do appreciate that you seem to agree. I think it’s important.
Courage is the test of all virtues. (C.S. Lewis said that.)
Without courage, RINO supporters may as well be enablers and assistants of leftists, because that is exactly what they turn out to be.
RINOS are worse than outright leftists, because they are just gradual leftists, while pretending to be something else. It’s better to be honest than sneaky.
“This has been one doozie of a thread!”
It surely has, but a lot of things that needed saying have been said here.
You know, the whole 6 months I was on the state message board arguing with a poster called Harvey, we never, ever disrespected each other no matter how intense our debate was, and most of us on this thread have also been respectful of each other, with a couple notable exceptions, which I believe was by design.
Thankfully, even with their constant disruptions, the meat of this thread is potent. We need to solidify our ideas, design a strategy or strategies, and move on them...like DJ’s idea, for example.
It’s a VERY good idea. Most of us have been sending back their begging letters with witticisms in or on them, but we haven’t really written letters they would read.
So do you believe that he backed someone without checking them? Or that he knew she's a lefty in disguise?
Then go and search to your heart's content. Just don't ask anyone to do your work for you.
I really liked Newt in the 90’s with the Contract for America. I’m just afraid he’s changed - gone native in DC.
We will see.
The GW ad with Pelousie really sickened me.
I have certainly enjoyed finding others with the same opinions. And 2010 is coming. We need to make them hear us.
Ok. You’re talking in terms of ‘conservative leaders’ here.
You’re saying he should have done his homework on Dede, assuming that he didn’t. If he already knew Dede was a leftie, Newt’s not only not a conservative leader, that would make him a despicable McCainish RINO.
On the other hand, if he didn’t know but didn’t check, Newt’s not a conservative leader, IYO. But the question is....does the latter scenario make Newt a RINO?
Just trying to figure this out. If circumstances (unknown) can turn a perfectly great conservative into a RINO that easily...I’d like to know what those circumstances are. Point being, what’s too keep ANY of the so-called “”conservatives”” from transforming into RINOs that easily and quickly, if Newt could and did?
Now I’m really worried.
More Buckeyes and bullseyes BS. Unserious, disruptive posts to change the subject. Is there a texas contingent here who just likes disrupting threads with inanities continuously? Sure looks like it.
Well, I admit to being somewhat disrespectful, but it wasn't by design; merely through frustration over a couple posters who used intimidation and condescension. I fully admit they got to me.
Newt was definitely a hero back then. He championed conservative values and basically saved us from the Clintonistas.
What worries me is twofold. First, other than one female that has YET to announce that she’s even running, we conservatives HAVE no ‘real’ conservative leaders. At least, none that I’m aware of.
Second, what’s to keep ANY (or all) of them from going native in DC? Hell, I used to think that KBHutchison was conservative too. I would have sworn that she was. But not now.
We’re in deep, deep stuff.
Freepers have been banned pulling the Reagan was a RINO crap. Beware. And if you look up thread, you’ll see my comments on Reagan.
I don’t want you to misunderstand, I loved Newt. I am deeply disappointed. What seems to happen is that people stay too long inside DC. It changes them. They lose touch with US and get cosier with THEM. Inside DC is a constant barrage of leftist crap. I sincerely believe that is what has happened.
And the RINOs have Megan McCain leading the way for them.