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Is Palinís lead a pitfall for the pro-life cause? - ALAN KEYES
Loyal to Liberty ^ | November 27, 2009 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 11/27/2009 7:18:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance

 
I was not at all surprised to hear that Rudy Giuliani has lately expressed views that welcome the rising prominence of Sarah Palin in the GOP. Giuliani is the archetype of the politicians who wear the Republican label but staunchly support the pro-abortion agenda. Of course, he imitates the pro-abortion Democrats by using the "pro-choice" label to dress his position in deceptively American garb. The use of that term is one of the most clever rhetorical ploys in the history of American politics. If the slaveholders had thought of it, people like me might still be doing stoop labor for no wages. After all, what could be more American than choice? Isn't that what freedom is all about?

Actually, no; not in the sense of the political liberty the American people have up to now enjoyed. Our liberty is based on the idea of unalienable rights articulated to justify our nation's assertion of independence from Great Britain. "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."


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1 posted on 11/27/2009 7:18:58 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Take your 16 votes and go sit in the corner.

Palin’s got a job to do, cleaning out the Socialist Augean Stables of America, and she doesn’t need your piddly pip-squeak help.

You retard.


2 posted on 11/27/2009 7:21:32 AM PST by samtheman
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To: EternalVigilance

will read later


3 posted on 11/27/2009 7:24:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God)
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To: EternalVigilance

Alan Keyes is like a stale fart that won’t leave the room.


4 posted on 11/27/2009 7:25:33 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: EternalVigilance
Alan Keyes is backing independent runs against solid conservative Republicans.

Keyes can be a great speaker, at times -—

But he is also an egomaniac with HORRIBLE political instincts.

5 posted on 11/27/2009 7:26:31 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: EternalVigilance

Whatever, youre right Alan I do not want new conservative blood any where near the white house ;)


6 posted on 11/27/2009 7:27:11 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how.)
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To: Dan in Wichita

Barack Obama is the luckiest politician in recent American history.

His only two opponents in his short political career have been Alan Keyes and John McCain.


7 posted on 11/27/2009 7:29:42 AM PST by guinnessman
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To: guinnessman
Barack Obama is the luckiest politician in recent American history.

His only two opponents in his short political career have been Alan Keyes and John McCain.

You get my vote for Post of the Day.
8 posted on 11/27/2009 7:31:21 AM PST by samtheman
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To: EternalVigilance

Keyes will be challenging Bill O’Reilly as the World Bloviation Champion. He just liked the sound of his own voice, and pretending to be smart.


9 posted on 11/27/2009 7:31:54 AM PST by bigbob
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To: EternalVigilance

So Rudy says nice things about Palin, thus she is damned in Keyes’ eyes? It would be interesting to see if Rudy said similar things about Keyes; would he hold himself to the same judgment?


10 posted on 11/27/2009 7:32:26 AM PST by mnehring
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To: samtheman

Alan Keyes at one time had the potential to be a thoughtful spokesman for the conservative movement. Unfortunately, he morphed into a certified wack-a-do who comes across as silly, spiteful and unhinged. Now, the only people who take him seriously are likewise silly, spiteful and unhinged.


11 posted on 11/27/2009 7:36:49 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Russ; All
Alan Keyes at one time had the potential to be a thoughtful spokesman for the conservative movement. Unfortunately, he morphed into a certified wack-a-do who comes across as silly, spiteful and unhinged. Now, the only people who take him seriously are likewise silly, spiteful and unhinged.

What you said.

12 posted on 11/27/2009 7:38:27 AM PST by McGruff (We're Going Rogue Baby!)
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To: EternalVigilance

OUTSTANDING article, links in the article, and comments at those links. Thank you Alan Keyes.

Go Sarah!


13 posted on 11/27/2009 7:38:31 AM PST by PGalt
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To: EternalVigilance

Keyes has even less credibility on political positioning and strategy than most of our hapless Republican ‘consultants’ do.


14 posted on 11/27/2009 7:40:10 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: mnehring
So Rudy says nice things about Palin, thus she is damned in Keyes’ eyes?

Apparently you didn't read to the end of the article.

Keyes' beef with Palin is her pro-choice for states position on abortion.

A beef I have as well.

This point is crucial and foundational.

15 posted on 11/27/2009 7:41:14 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Even if it looks dead, drive a thousand more stakes into its heart just to be sure.)
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To: Russ
Now, the only people who take him seriously are likewise silly, spiteful and unhinged.

Wow. Straight from the Saul Alinsky playbook.

16 posted on 11/27/2009 7:42:18 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Even if it looks dead, drive a thousand more stakes into its heart just to be sure.)
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To: Russ
Now, the only people who take him seriously are likewise silly, spiteful and unhinged.
And very, very few in number. He makes Ron Paul look like a landslide-winner.
17 posted on 11/27/2009 7:43:01 AM PST by samtheman
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To: VaRepublican

“Falsified States Rights” position? I know Mr. Keyes is a pretty learned man, but I don’t believe it’s a falsified states rights issue. Maybe if he chose to meet and speak with Sarah Palin first, before trashing her in an “opinion piece”, I’ll bet it would become crystal clear to him that she is staunchly pro-life.

C’mon, Mr. Keyes, would she really put the pro-life cause on the road to destruction? 40+ million unborn children killed, and Sarah Palin gets targeted for putting the cause on the road to destruction? You’re better than this, sir!


18 posted on 11/27/2009 7:43:10 AM PST by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: samtheman; EternalVigilance

Maybe you should go back and read what Dr. Keyes had to say before going over the cliff. I have probably disagreed with Dr. Keyes as much as anyone on here. That said, there is one thing about Dr. Keyes that stands out is the fact he NEVER wavers from what he believes, isn’t afraid to speak out and will stand up for his beliefs no matter what. More importantly then that, is that I will stand for the right of Dr. Keyes to state his opinion and for EV to post that opinion.

You can disagree with someone without getting nasty and calling names.

Once again Dr. Keyes has written an article that tells it like it is and once again a Palin supporter comes along and disses the author. Do you all realize that by attacking anyone that dares to say something about Palin that doesn’t meet your standards, that you are sounding like the opposition in the last election? We must not question anything. It is also starting to drive people to look at alternatives. Blind allegiance is not good because it means you quit thinking.

EV — If you are not in the Palin camp, guess you shouldn’t post on here. (sarcasm) Seriously, that is what it is beginning to look like, yet we are so far out from the 2012 election that a lot can change. There are more important things going on in DC but are getting drowned out. The 2010 election is coming up, yet so many people on here want to jump to 2012.


19 posted on 11/27/2009 7:47:50 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Russ

Alan Keyes is the 21st century Harold Stassen.


20 posted on 11/27/2009 7:49:10 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: EternalVigilance

Wow FReepers!!

Judge an article not by the color of the author, but the content of the article.

It’s amazing that so many folks can read an opinion and discuss the author more than the opinion.

I agree that Alan Keyes lost his way in the political arena, but much his diminuition can be laid at the feet of the media..he has been Goldwatered down and then Borked.


21 posted on 11/27/2009 7:51:34 AM PST by sodpoodle (Stop spreading the wealth and start spreading the truth.)
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To: PhiKapMom

“The 2010 election is coming up, yet so many people on here want to jump to 2012/”

I agree with you, but what’s with Mr. Keyes and “Palin’s lead”?
She’s not even a candidate.


22 posted on 11/27/2009 7:52:25 AM PST by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: Russ
"Unfortunately, he morphed"

Yup, I used to really like Keyes, sad so much wated potential. Keyes is expert at making good the enemy of perfect. He lost me when he turned on Steve Forbes in 2000.

23 posted on 11/27/2009 7:53:38 AM PST by jpsb
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To: guinnessman

According to the PUMAs Hillary Clinton actually got more delegate votes in the Democratic primary, but the special delegates threw the election to Lil’ Xerxes.

I don’t know, but they were and are steaming about it still.

Alan Keyes was sent in against Lil’ Xerxes by the GOP machine and abandoned like Uriah the Hittite. They meant for him to fail, and he did. He is still mad about it is my take.


24 posted on 11/27/2009 7:54:08 AM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: jamndad5

I agree she is not a candidate, but you couldn’t tell it on here right now.

Poll numbers are the only thing I can come up with that Keyes is talking about. I cannot believe they are even polling for 2012 and writing stories about the numbers. Guess people don’t realize the liberal media wants the GOP to skip right past the 2010 elections and concentrate on 2012 ignoring everything else.


25 posted on 11/27/2009 8:00:20 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: EternalVigilance
"They step away from the solid ground of principle provided by the Declaration of Independence reliance upon unalienable rights. By doing so, they set the stage for the ultimate defeat of the pro-life position."

Keyes goes too far here, as well as ignoring certain basic truths, first and foremost being that the pro life cause was defeated in 1973 with Roe V. Wade, which grants an almost absolute legal right to an abortion. That is now the law of the land, so I don't know what further defeat Keyes is worried about. Furthermore, the only way to reverse this problem is to overturn Roe V. Wade and get back to the point where it was a state's rights issue, then work from there.

Keyes is so fixated on moral and ideological perfection that he has lost his senses, especially when it comes to trashing Sarah Palin's pro life position.

26 posted on 11/27/2009 8:04:55 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: PhiKapMom

Me, personally? I just think Alan Keyes should embrace Sarah Palin. He can certainly be very persuasive on life and constitutional issues. The article just reads like a backbiter.

Of course, we’re not supposed to judge, but he appears to have judged. Just sayin’!


27 posted on 11/27/2009 8:05:48 AM PST by jamndad5 ("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
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To: EternalVigilance

I used to like Keyes. I even supported him against Dubya in the 2000 GOP primaries. Then, after hearing him speak more, I realized that he’s bat guano crazy and switched my support to Steve Forbes.

- JP


28 posted on 11/27/2009 8:08:28 AM PST by Josh Painter ("We can take our country back" - Sarah Heath Palin)
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To: EternalVigilance
Giuliani is the archetype of the politicians who wear the Republican label but staunchly support the pro-abortion agenda.

I welcome this reminder from Keyes. Lately on F.R, I've noticed the Rudybots coming back, One yesterday referred to Rudy as a "Reaganite". If memory serves me, it's this kind of talk that resulted in the great purge.

Keyes is not electable and that's a great loss because he may be the most conservative politician in the country. I would and have voted for him

29 posted on 11/27/2009 8:12:32 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: All

The next five or six hours belong to my family, not FR.

But, before I head out, I’ll say this:

This isn’t about Sarah Palin, or Alan Keyes, or any other political figure — or the fortunes of any particular political party.

This issue, whether or not the right to life is considered to be UNALIENABLE FOR ALL, is the KEY QUESTION that will determine the fate of the pro-life movement, the survival of our form of government, and whether or not America will continue to be the home of the free.

Along with Jefferson, I “tremble when I consider that God is just.”


30 posted on 11/27/2009 8:15:45 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Even if it looks dead, drive a thousand more stakes into its heart just to be sure.)
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To: jamndad5
“Falsified States Rights” position? I know Mr. Keyes is a pretty learned man, but I don’t believe it’s a falsified states rights issue

It is absolutely a phony "state's rights" issue just like slavery was. Killing the innocent is never a right that be can granted or exercised objectively speaking.

31 posted on 11/27/2009 8:15:47 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: PhiKapMom

Sarah Palin, with her thoughtful speeches, her book and her courageous action of willingly giving birth to a Down Syndrome child, has inspired many pro-choicers reevaluate their position on the issue.

Keyes, with his angry rhetoric, only inspires them to harden their pro-abort position.

- JP


32 posted on 11/27/2009 8:16:01 AM PST by Josh Painter ("We can take our country back" - Sarah Heath Palin)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks E.V. for posting this, you are ‘ever vigilant’ in respect to the pro-life cause. I did not know Palin was pro-choice, unfortunately it seems that she is yet another one of those pro-choice politicians who say abortion is not for them, but they would not stop someone else from making that ‘choice’ to murder their own unborn. She says it should be up to the states to outlaw ‘murder’. States rights are more important than the right to life?


33 posted on 11/27/2009 8:24:09 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: Batrachian
Furthermore, the only way to reverse this problem is to overturn Roe V. Wade and get back to the point where it was a state's rights issue, then work from there.

I totally disagree. Abortion is a state's right issue just like slavery was. To back peddle the abomination of Roe to the "states right's" issue is granting a legitimacy to killing the innocent that never existed prior to 1973. Then once you have granted that legitimacy how are you then going to take it to the next step of truth that "All men are created equal" and "In God We Trust"?

Abortion needs to be treated as the abomination that it is and we all need to keep fighting to the ultimate goal which is to banish it from America because it has no place here. We cannot give up because the tide it turning in favor of truth as indicated by the latest polls. It will be a long battle against evil and will not end anytime soon.

34 posted on 11/27/2009 8:26:05 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: PhiKapMom; Dan in Wichita; Kansas58; guinnessman; bigbob; Russ; McGruff; 9YearLurker; PzLdr

Excellent post PK-Mom, allow me to ping back some of those ‘attack the messenger but not the message’ type Freepers that might benefit from reading it.


35 posted on 11/27/2009 8:31:24 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: guinnessman
His only two opponents in his short political career have been Alan Keyes and John McCain.

Keyes was the 'only' conservative opponent to Barack Obama, McCain was merely window dressing.

36 posted on 11/27/2009 8:36:05 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: sodpoodle
I agree that Alan Keyes lost his way in the political arena

No, the political arena has lost its way from the Constitution.

37 posted on 11/27/2009 8:38:46 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: whatisthetruth

Keyes goes too far here, as well as ignoring certain basic truths, such as regrettably the pro life cause was basically beaten in 1973 with Roe V. Wade, which grants an almost absolute legal right to an abortion. Unfortunately, that’s now the law of the land, so I don’t know what further defeat Keyes is worried about. The only way to reverse this problem is to overturn Roe V. Wade and get back to the point where it was a state’s rights issue, then work from there.

Keyes is so driven by ideological perfection, that he feels that if someone isn’t perfect on the pro-life side that they’re pro-abortion.


38 posted on 11/27/2009 8:41:25 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Crush the pinks!)
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To: Batrachian
Roe V. Wad...is now the law of the land

Can you show me where in the Constitution a bunch of black-robed legal hacks, responsible to no one and entrenched for life, are allowed to make law? Law-making is the job of the elected legislative branch. The majority of Americans are now pro-life.

Keyes is a disaster as a politician, because politics today is all about selling out the people and compromising with evil. Keyes is the conscience of America, not a politician.

39 posted on 11/27/2009 8:42:16 AM PST by hellbender
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To: whatisthetruth

Oh, Palin is not “pro choice”. She’s pro-life. She just feels that the best way to deal with abortion is at the state level.


40 posted on 11/27/2009 8:43:10 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Crush the pinks!)
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To: EternalVigilance
This issue, whether or not the right to life is considered to be UNALIENABLE FOR ALL, is the KEY QUESTION that will determine the fate of the pro-life movement, the survival of our form of government, and whether or not America will continue to be the home of the free.

But the Constitution says nothing about murder--bank rape--assault etc etc --they are all crimes defined in state laws

After JFK was shot they made it a federal crime to murder a federal figure since Lee Harvey Oswald was going to be tried in Texas
41 posted on 11/27/2009 8:48:10 AM PST by uncbob
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To: bigbob

Mine too.


42 posted on 11/27/2009 8:49:21 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: EternalVigilance

Keyes is right about much of the article; however, it seems that because Sarah differs from him in how to deal with the abortion problem, he dismisses her as “pro choice”. Basically, it seems as if he’s a perfectionist who isn’t satisfied with “good enough”.


43 posted on 11/27/2009 8:50:10 AM PST by Jacob Kell (Crush the pinks!)
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To: whatisthetruth
She says it should be up to the states to outlaw ‘murder’. States rights are more important than the right to life?

So, shall we just trash the Constitution and say the States have no rights and that total control is Washington? I do not like taking any life, but I realize that it is the right of each State to decide. And there is a difference between murder and execution. I know a few that I would be willing to pull the trigger on their ass and send them to hell. And as a vet in a bloody war I know how.

44 posted on 11/27/2009 8:52:11 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: frogjerk
To back peddle the abomination of Roe to the "states right's" issue is granting a legitimacy to killing the innocent that never existed prior to 1973.

That is not correct. Abortion was legal in New York prior to Roe, for example.

But beyond that, we have to look at what can be achieved when and how. To create a federal amendment outlawing abortion would take 2/3rds of the Senate and 3/4s of the state legislatures - and please show us how that threshhold can be reached anytime soon. But if Roe is overturned, many states would quickly outlaw abortion within their borders.

Is that perfect? No. But is is doable, and would save at least half of the children aborted nowadway while public opinion shifts to the level of a consensus that can cross the amendment threshhold.

Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good - a lot of lives can be saved with the federalist argument sooner than by waiting for the perfect solution later, and the federalist approach can be the means to reach something better later.

45 posted on 11/27/2009 8:52:26 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: EternalVigilance
NONSENSE!

Do you think that the Roe V. Wade and Doe V. Bolton decisions were wrong?

Well, if those decisions had NOT been made, abortion would be a STATES RIGHTS issue!

So, shut the heck up about Roe V. Wade, or admit that Sarah is RIGHT on this one!

Politics is the art of the possible.

The 3rd Party idiots think politics is a way to get to Heaven.

The 3rd Party idiots also seem to think that their chances of getting to political “Heaven” increase every time they damn someone else to political Hell.

When a cop comes to rescue me from a mugging, I do not care if he is pure in all his thoughts and actions.

When a firefighter comes to put out the fire in my burning house, I do not care if he allows for exceptions in the Republican prolife platform.

You “holier than thou” types are ridiculous.

46 posted on 11/27/2009 8:52:36 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: McGruff

What you said about what he said.


47 posted on 11/27/2009 8:53:22 AM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: whatisthetruth
I'm surprised you don't just call us racist for daring to criticize Alan Keyes.
48 posted on 11/27/2009 8:54:36 AM PST by McGruff (We're Going Rogue Baby!)
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To: PhiKapMom

again,,

I say..

You are just a pathetic Palin hating bonehead.


49 posted on 11/27/2009 9:00:31 AM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (Destroy the RINOs.)
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To: Kansas58

You “holier than thou” types are ridiculous.


That may well be true. But when mixing politics and religion one is always stomping on someone else’s toes, imo.


50 posted on 11/27/2009 9:01:50 AM PST by deport (97 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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