They're just regular guys. Sheesh.
Posted on 12/02/2009 1:01:49 PM PST by lbryce
The State Senate defeated a bill on Wednesday that would legalize same-sex marriage, after an emotional debate that touched on civil rights, family and history. The vote means that the bill, pushed by Gov. David A. Paterson, is effectively dead for the year and destroys the optimism of gay rights advocates.
The bill was defeated by a decisive margin of 38 to 24. The Democrats, who have a bare, one-seat majority, did not have enough votes to pass the bill without some Republican support, but not a single Republican senator voted for the measure.
In a debate that in many instances was cast in unusually personal tones, many senators delivered emotional speeches on the floor of the chamber, equating the struggle for gay rights to the civil rights movement or the battle women have waged for equality.
One of the bill’s sponsors, State Senator Thomas K. Duane of Manhattan, who is gay, said the bill would finally give him something that as a New Yorker he has never enjoyed.
“This legislation would merely provide me and tens of thousands of other New Yorkers with equal rights in New York State," Mr. Duane said. “It would make me equal in every way to everyone else in this chamber.”
Senator Liz Krueger, a Democrat who represents Manhattan’s Upper East Side and another of the bill’s sponsors, said her grandparents came to the United States to escape persecution against Jews. As a Jew and a woman, Ms. Krueger said her decision to support same-sex marriage was easy to make.
But State Senator Rubén Díaz Sr. of the Bronx made an impassioned argument against same-sex marriage, describing his continued opposition as reflecting the broad consensus that marriage should be limited to a union between a man and woman.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Hmmm....not seeing it. As far as I know, no one is allowed to marry someone of the same gender in New York. Did I miss something?
I’m no expert on NY, but my guess ia that it has more to do with the legislators reading the tea leaves of their constituents and knowing that this deal was a loser and less to do with moral outrage or derelection of duty.
These folks are politicians for cryin’ out loud.
They know 2010 is just around the corner and they can hear the drums.
Regardless, they got it right.
Gay Marriage is going down!
Uh, I mean it’s being shoved to the rear!
uh...wait....never mind.
I’m ASTONISHED!
New York is more conservative in this matter than New Hampshire!
Too bad the state got involved in marriage in the first place.
Marriage is not the state’s business. Only people who believe in God need to be married. To others, marriage doesn’t really have a meaning, and the divorce laws, child protection agencies, and gay marriage are the result.
To whom or what does the atheist make his marriage vows? The state?
Only STATISTS believe the state has the power or authority to create and dissolve families.
The wailing and whining from the country’s most privileged “victim” group will now begin, and all legislators who voted the right way will be attacked by the fang-toothed members of this spoiled victim group.
wow, 38 to 24? Not even close at all.
After the election when the heat dies down and the usual suspects are safely in their seats this garbage will be quietly put through. Either that or some unelected judge will declare it a right in NY for 2 men or 2 women to marry and claim the tax benefit and it'll be out of the people's hands.
Just my $0.02
Democrat Ruben Diaz deserves a lot of credit for killing this. The homosexual mafia will be looking for him.
“uh...wait....never mind...”
They need to bend over backward...stand behind their man..and push forward...
I really agree. While he had only one vote, I think he did a lot to stiffen the spines of others by being so outspoken and firm.
I would add, however, that this vote in New York (and the margin wasn't even all that close) sheds some light on a little secret that Democrats would like to keep well-hidden . . .
Some of the most vocal, passionate opponents of gay marriage -- and even homosexuality in general -- can be found in their own ranks among Hispanic voters and elected officials.
It is insane that they are equating gay ‘rights’ with ivil rights.
Seriously, how does it compare?
It doesn’t.
Gays are not a ‘race’ or a ‘creed’.
They have the same rights as everyone else.
It’s good that the bill was defeated.
LOL!
I think they got a bum rap!
Uhhh....
Convenient paraphrase with obvious bias by the article's author.
That said, it could be said that my "enjoyment" has been enhanced by the failure of this legislation.
honestly when are the homosexuals gonna catch a clue that we don’t want them or their agenda in our faces? You don’t care about right or wrong, so why do you care about legal marriage? ohhhhh I get it..it isn’t about love, its about legal benefits... sheesh.
I think the state, and by extension, the rest of the citizenry, has an interest in setting the legal standards for marriage and supporting it as an institution.
Married people can be expected to take care of each other in bad times, or in old age. That is of great benefit to the rest of us, because then we don’t have to. For those of us who have many single friends and relatives who will be aging alone, we worry about whether they are going to be on our doorstep, or declining alone somewhere. As the population ages, this is also a concern for the Americans who are now school age. There will be a lot of people who never cared for a spouse or child, but will now expect people who don’t know them, and don’t love them, to care for them in non-family settings, and there will be young workers who will say, “why?”
Married people are more likely to actually raise the kids they create, and once again, if they do it, the rest of us are not. Jails are full of people who did not come from married parents. I don’t like paying for all that.
Civil marriage has good purpose. I wouldn’t throw it away until you calculate the real cost of abandoning it.
More optimism from the press before reality hit them in the face.
the psychologically deranged take another one on the chin !
ROFL
Not often I can praise the lawmakers of NY.
I am a lifelong NYS resident and while we get a bad rap from conservative America for the state of our governmental affairs and the socio-progressive posture of most of the metropolitan area, tradional American values are a deeply ingrained part of our fiber. I am not surprised by this vote. Bravo !
“Married people are more likely to actually raise the kids they create, and once again, if they do it, the rest of us are not. Jails are full of people who did not come from married parents. I don’t like paying for all that.”
This is all true, but it does not make the case for state sanctioning of marriage. I agree that marriage is a positive force in the lives of most people and for society as a whole, but I don’t buy the argument that the state should be involved formally, through legislation, tax preferences, etc.
They basically want to perverted mental illness to be normalized so that maybe just maybe they won't hate themselves so much.
In response, as a long-time New Yorker I just hope this issue doesn’t get to rear its ugly head again anytime soon.
In response, as a long-time New Yorker I just hope this issue doesn’t get to rear its ugly head again anytime soon.
How is Mr. Duane unequal? He has the right to marry a woman just like every other male in the state.
This could have been re-written to say there was bipartisan support AGAINST the bill with the only supporters being democrats.
Yeah, they desperately want his political “head” on a silver platter.
Freedom gets a win today! Every time the gay activists get what they want, they begin dismantling the rights of others.
any chance of putting the two threads together please.
Ref to the topic, good they tried the court in NY but they failed
they now tries going this way and now have failed.
It is quite simple for even perverts to know.
The more they push their agenda the more they are getting kicked back and the more they act like little babies who have dropped their candy the more they piss off folk.
Going around acting like they do and calling names does not help their agenda.
Of course they will never stop because their so called leader in that pervert community are making a bundle of money off them.
All these so called leaders have to do is ask for more and more money like they do and they get it while they pocket some of that money.
“They basically want to perverted mental illness to be normalized so that maybe just maybe they won’t hate themselves so much.”
I think you nailed it right there.
you get the question on a ballot this time and I bet it would ban homosexuals from marrying other homosexuals.
The homosexuals pushed the live free part and brought in many MA homosexuals activists.
Anyway if it is really about marriage then why are homosexuals not moving to MA and leaving states like CA,FL MS etc
Diaz has no problem as he has the Hispanic vote backing him.
The more immigrants come in the more this population goes against the homosexuals agenda
>One of the bill’s sponsors, State Senator Thomas K. Duane of Manhattan, who is gay, said the bill would finally give him something that as a New Yorker he has never enjoyed.
That’s odd, seems he can still have his buddy ramrod him in the backside
without this vote going his way. “Enjoy” seems a bit odd in his context.
One of the bill’s sponsors, State Senator Thomas K. Duane of Manhattan, who is gay, said the bill would finally give him something that as a New Yorker he has never enjoyed.
“This legislation would merely provide me and tens of thousands of other New Yorkers with equal rights in New York State,” Mr. Duane said. “It would make me equal in every way to everyone else in this chamber.”
Hey Senator Duane.....you have equal rights with everyone else in the chamber. Give up your homosexual lifestyle and go heterosexual. That is the only “natural” right you are entitled to - heterosexuality.
Sorry, but have to agree with you. That’s how these politicians pass things the vast majority of us do not want! Until, that is, 2010. We must not be lazy and do business as usual. Get active and pay attention to who your local election boards are pushing through. They count on voters to be asleep and apathetic. No more!
You’re having too much fun on the “gay” thread.
Who was it who said, “It’s a real pain in the a$$ getting your fun from a pain in the a$$.”?
An excellent point that’s absolutely the case,the source being what it is, requires no explanation as to why the story was presented in the characteristically convoluted, diametrically opposite, reverse, mirror-imaged, inside-out, upside down view of reality.
Thank you, Jesus!
The Dems hold a 32-30 majority after the attempted coup this summer, and there were at least 2 solid “Nays” from upstate senators here, but to go from 30 to 38 is even better
< fwap! > upside the head with the nerf bat
;-)
Had the votes mirrored the composition Rep/Dhim, the last statement would make sense. With the margin of 38-24, however, the highlight should be "There are so many Dhims who also voted against the Bill." But of course, they like to portray Republicans as the only bigots on the block.
They're just regular guys. Sheesh.
I don't understand why there are conservatives who, in a time where liberals are gaining ground in crucial areas, when they want to control what lights I use in my house, what car I drive and what medical car I recieve, want to have this fight, which was settled several centuries ago.
Only people who believe in God need to be married. To others, marriage doesn’t really have a meaning, and the divorce laws, child protection agencies, and gay marriage are the result.
Britain and America had state-sanctioned marriage for centuries before anyone thought any of those things were necessary.
To whom or what does the atheist make his marriage vows? The state?
His wife. And guess what? That's what the Christian does, too.
Only STATISTS believe the state has the power or authority to create and dissolve families.
That's simply not true. I'm no statist and I believe that is the settled state of law for centuries in the West, a settled state that was established and endorsed by governments far more concerned with God's will than our current one, a settled state of law that does nothing to insult God and requires no changes. In fact, the status quo honors the nuclear family unit that God established, and what replaces it will not. If we said, "Anyone who wants to be married can just stop by whatever church will do the job" we will have chaos and destruction.
See post 46.
Do you know, or have a resource, on an exact demographic distribution in the state by political and philisophical breakdown? Would be interesting to see what percentage of the residents live in the NY area, or other liberal areas for that matter (like Utica - “city of Evil.”) :{)
>> To whom or what does the atheist make his marriage vows?
>> The state?
>
> His wife. And guess what? That’s what the Christian does, too.
Good point, but the vows mean nothing without God, as can be seen from the behavior of those who live as though there is no God, including many who claim to believe in Him.
Nevertheless, with the State determining what constitutes a marriage, this is what you will get.
We got royally screwed in New Hampshire. The people were dead set against “gay marriage” by almost 2:1. The state legislature passed it anyway, and the liar governor, who promised never to sign a “gay marriage” bill, went right ahead and signed it.
But you know what?
The people will get used to seeing two men kissing in public. They will get used to it, and it won’t seem so bad anymore. The government schools will indoctrinate their children. We don’t have TV, but I hear they have been showing homo couples on TV for a while.
They’ll probably forget all about it by the time the next election cycle rolls around, just next year.
This is what happens when the people are GODLESS and the GODLESS STATE defines what constitutes a marriage and a family.
Get ready for polygamy, at first just to mollify the Mohammedans, then you will see polyamory legalized. Next, Paedophilia, and bestiality, perhaps all in one fell swoop.
Mark my words.
Putting the State in the place of God, with a Godless people, is an open door to the PIT OF HELL.
Laugh if you like. Dismiss me as a Bible-thumping throwback.
The victories in NY and CA are temporary. The gays will be back with a new gay marriage bill every year until the indoctrination from the public schools and the Entertainment Industry, and the Gay Activists, has done its job. They will get what they want.
I don’t know if there’s any turning back now.
So correct. One of these rights, which the leftist sodomites like to dismiss, is the right to correctly, legally be referred to as "husband"/"wife"/"bride"/"groom" by the state on the marriage certificate. When same-sex "marriage" is imposed, this is the first right to immediately go down the toilet for normal people. You get to be called "Party 1" and "Party 2" (kind of like in "The Cat in the Hat".) It is very revealing that in Maine on November 3, the already printed modified replacement marriage forms had been delivered and were waiting in County offices by the case in anticipation of Question 1 failing to pass.
It cannot be overemphasized how significant this language is. As Rush likes to say, "Words mean THINGS." In California schools, even the terms "mother" and "father" are under attack as "insensitive" and derogatory. Anyone with a modicum of foresight can see where this is going.
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