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Obama's birth certificate (Uses Snopes to prove "authenticity")
The Carroll County Examiner ^ | December 7, 2009 | David Thornton

Posted on 12/07/2009 8:26:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A rumor that won’t die is the myth that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is fake. There are different theories on where Obama was born, if he was not born in Hawaii as he claims. A prevailing belief is that he was born in Kenya, and as a native Kenyan, is not eligible to be President of the United States. Some have also claimed that his full name includes the name “Mohammed,” adding to speculation that Obama is a secret Muslim.

At this point, mountains of evidence are in and they all point to the fact that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. As far back as July 2008, Obama had released a copy of his birth certificate. Obama had to release the birth certificate himself because in Hawaii, birth certificates are not public documents and must be requested by the family. Obama’s birth certificate can viewed here.

Almost immediately, the certificate came under attack due to the lack of an embossed seal and signature. The answer to that challenge is that in Hawaii, the seal and signature are on the back of the certificate. The political fact-checkers at Politifact.com emailed the copy of the certificate released by Obama to the Hawaii Department of Health. They were told by a spokesman that the copy was a valid Hawaii birth certificate. The name on the certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

According to Snopes.Com, Hawaiian government officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate twice; once in October 2008 and again in July 2009. Additionally, Snopes also provides the testimony of a Hawaiian school teacher who actually spoke with the obstetrician that delivered the baby Barack.

Politifact also checked Obama’s other public domain records. These other records included his marriage certificate from Cook County, Illinois, his driver’s license records in Illinois, and his attorney registration and public disciplinary record from Illinois. All show that his name is Barack Hussein Obama. He also has no moving violations and has not been disciplined as an attorney.

If that were not enough, Obama’s birth announcements can be seen in both Honolulu newspapers. The Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star Bulletin both record the birth of Barack Hussein Obama on August 4, 1961. The newspaper announcements can be seen here.

In August 2009, a birth certificate surfaced that purported to show that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This birth certificate was quickly revealed to be a forgery. Among the tell-tale mistakes on the certificate are the phrase “Republic of Kenya,” which did not exist at the time, an incorrect age for Obama’s father, and the claim that Barack Jr. was born in Mombasa, which was located far from where Obama Sr. lived. In fact, Mombasa was so far from where Obama lived that it was not even part of Kenya at the time; it was actually then a part a part of Zanzibar.

A further claim is that US law at the time specified that if only one parent was a US citizen, to pass citizenship along to the child, that parent must have been a US citizen “for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16” [citation]. The claim is that since Obama’s mother was 18 at the time of his birth, she does not meet the requirement to pass along citizenship to Barack Jr. According to Snopes, this law applied only to children born to US citizens outside the US. Since the evidence is that Obama was born in Hawaii, this claim is moot.

There is also the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother claimed to be present at his birth. Since she had never left Kenya, the implication is that Obama must have been born in Kenya. When the entire transcript is reviewed, it seems that there was confusion over the word “present” since Mrs. Obama did not speak English and was relying on a translator. Throughout the conversation, she continues to claim that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Finally, there have been two lawsuits regarding Obama’s birth certificate and citizenship. Suits filed by Philip Berg and Alan Keyes were dismissed as frivolous and without merit. The Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

While we can easily see that Obama’s does not and has never included the name “Mohammed,” it is not easy to see what is in Obama’s heart. Claims that Obama is a closet Muslim are not easily proved nor disproved. What can be shown is that Obama has long been a member of a Christian church, although one of a far left denomination. Obama’s family heritage includes many links to Islam so it is understandable that he would have sympathy for Muslims around the world. However, neither being a Muslim nor having sympathy for Muslims would be disqualifying for a president.

After having President Obama lead the United States for almost a year, it is easy to understand why wishful thinking could lead people to grasp at straws for reasons why he could not be president. Nevertheless, the evidence is overwhelming that Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born citizen of the United States, having been born in a Honolulu hospital. To believe otherwise requires belief in a massive conspiracy that includes Obama’s entire family, the Hawaii Department of Health, his birth doctor, and countless others.

It makes more sense to accept the reality of Obama’s citizenship and fight him on the issues. His foreign policy favors dictators and terrorists over democracy. His domestic policy is built on unsustainable spending that must surely be followed by economy-killing taxes and inflation. To effectively fight his policies, Obama’s opponents must ground themselves in reality and facts, which can easily illustrate that Obama’s policies are all wrong for America.

Sources: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/ http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kenyanphonetranscript.pdf


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; kenyabelieveit; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; snopes
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1 posted on 12/07/2009 8:27:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Carroll County Examiner run by public school graduates?


2 posted on 12/07/2009 8:28:06 PM PST by Blogger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d rather we keep talking about his policies. I’m less worried about the possibility of him being a closet Kenyan than I am about him being an open socialist.


3 posted on 12/07/2009 8:29:21 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In fact, maybe I’m being paranoid, but it seems to me that these “birth certificate” stories always pop back up whenever there’s some major Obama initiative on the horizon (socialized medicine, greenhouse gases, etc.) that the administration doesn’t want to see opposed. It’s almost as if SOMEONE is trying to distract us during pasasage of these socialist power grabs with the never ending birth certificate controversy.

People ask “why doesn’t he just release it” and I wonder if maybe he doesn’t because it distracts a sizeable chunk of his activist opposition to not do so.


4 posted on 12/07/2009 8:32:12 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Getting to the truth about Obama’s birth certificate ends all worry about his policies.


5 posted on 12/07/2009 8:32:58 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

6 posted on 12/07/2009 8:34:00 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some have also claimed that his full name includes the name “Mohammed,” adding to speculation that Obama is a secret Muslim.

Stopped right there. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....I could hear the lisping, ball-gargling voice as he typed.

Barack Hussein Osama....like he's some sort of muslim. Who would've thunk it? What a pathetic, scumbag, POS Obama rumpswab.
7 posted on 12/07/2009 8:34:17 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

He’s making yet another speech tomorrow; perhaps we’re all supposed to get hyper on either side of the issue and not notice what he’s going to say.


8 posted on 12/07/2009 8:35:17 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Electric Graffiti

On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Mr. Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.” The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet?”

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.


9 posted on 12/07/2009 8:37:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Snopes is a liberal B.S. website.


10 posted on 12/07/2009 8:38:27 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As we all know "commander zero" has never produced a "birth certificate" but instead a COLB.

I'll have to do some more research but we are aware of the Hawaiian state official that said, to the effect, that she had viewed obama's birth certificate and that it was on file.

A few months ago I read another story.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

So the original exists, then it was destroyed and then it wasn't. Why not just show it?

11 posted on 12/07/2009 8:38:28 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: skr

He just declared that CO2 is a pollutant and that means that, legally, the EPA can regulate anything that generates it (which includes human beings). I’m sure he’d rather conservatives be obsessing over his birth certificate than that.


12 posted on 12/07/2009 8:39:18 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A rumor that won’t die is the myth that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is fake.

First sentence and no need to go further. Only a copy of COLB has been posted on the internet. Who has seen the now locked up Hawaii BC?

Of course, there ARE fake birth certificates so, in actuality, there also is no myth.

13 posted on 12/07/2009 8:40:02 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A rumor that won’t die is the myth that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is fake.

At least they admit their bias in the first sentence by referring to the issue as a myth.

14 posted on 12/07/2009 8:40:28 PM PST by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Additionally, Snopes also provides the testimony of a Hawaiian school teacher who actually spoke with the obstetrician that delivered the baby Barack.

First I heard of this. So what's the obstetrician's name, and is he still alive?

What it boils down to, to me, is the fact that BO spent over a million dollars to avoid having to show the birth certificate. There is something on that BC he doesn't want anyone to see, and I'd love to know what it is.

15 posted on 12/07/2009 8:40:38 PM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Name one christian with a muslim name?


16 posted on 12/07/2009 8:40:59 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: Eagles6
So the original exists, then it was destroyed and then it wasn't. Why not just show it?

Distraction. If he produced the BC, then people might start paying more attention to the fact he's a Marxist.

17 posted on 12/07/2009 8:41:35 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Better than depending on lossy JPG’s and internet cranks to determine that it’s fake.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 8:41:55 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
At this point, mountains of evidence are in and they all point to the fact that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States.

Few doubt the possibility of The Anointed One's birth in Hawaii. But that wouldn't make him a "Natural Born Citizen."
Both parents have to be American citizens for that to occur.

The article does show that:
(1) The MSM belong to Obama
(2)Team Obama's multi-million dollar legal machinations and PR campaign have born fruit. Not even Obama claims he is a "Natural Born Citizen." But he does want you to believe a "Native Born Citizen" is just as good for his purposes.
(3)Millions of Americans are now just too goddam stupid to realize that "Native" and "Natural" are two different words and two different kinds of citizen, with only the latter eligible to run for POTUS.

We are living in an era of anti-constitutional coup. Merry Christmas.

19 posted on 12/07/2009 8:43:38 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Eligibility: I ain't lookin' for answers. Just 1 elected Republican to ask the question.)
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To: Irisshlass

I can’t off the top of my head.

I wonder if this Obama kneepadder knows that Obama is Swahili for Osama.


20 posted on 12/07/2009 8:45:05 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hawaiian government officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate twice; once in October 2008 and again in July 2009.

They have never publicly vouched for what's been posted online.

21 posted on 12/07/2009 8:46:13 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thought it was common knowledge that the birth certificate document that Barack posted on fightthesmears.com was photoshopped. Barack put up a photoshopped document on fightthesmears.com. That’s is intent to mislead the electorate, no?

Isn’t that considered fraud during a federal election to submit a document as official when it’s known to be FRAUD? FRAUD and misrepresenting himself in order to win an election isn’t right on any level.


22 posted on 12/07/2009 8:47:09 PM PST by cushman (Barack = Homosexual yes?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Dopes from Snopes a propaganda outfit.

Don't trust Snopes

Snopes.Com Caught in a Lie and Spins it Rather than Admits Error

Snopes.com changes hospital of Obama's birth 90 minutes after WND.COM article but has no..evidence

Republican senator says Snopes settled 'eligibility' (Kyl lays an egg)

I no longer trust Snopes... and neither should you

Snopes' bias, Part II

Snopes covering for Obama?

23 posted on 12/07/2009 8:47:35 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It makes more sense to accept the reality of Obama’s citizenship and fight him on the issues

Hear, hear. This distraction has gone on long enough. The man is incompetent, arrogant, and full of the same terrible economic and political ideas that have led to misery for billions of people over the past century. Let's attack and attack and attack, but not be led down this rabbit hole. It is a complete waste of time and effort.

24 posted on 12/07/2009 8:48:59 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think his birth name was most likely Barry Obama. That wasn’t muslim enough for this scumbag so he changed it to Barack Hussein Osama II. Knowing this POS, the name change wasn’t legal.


25 posted on 12/07/2009 8:49:27 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Snopes’ authority itself is an urban legend.


26 posted on 12/07/2009 8:51:09 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s relying on Snopes? Why not rely on Wikipedia while he’s at it? LOL!


27 posted on 12/07/2009 8:51:26 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: narses
Thanks narses. How did you do that?

Some famous person, and probably many who aren't famous, said “Never allow a lie to remain unanswered.” When the author repeats the old “everyone knows” saw about Obama’s natural born citizenship there is no need to read further.

The Kerchner ad is excellent for those who read it. For those who don't, being a natural born citizen means both parents are citizens as well has having been born on U.S. soil. Obama himself told us his father was was a British citizen, and that he was born a British subject. There has never been an interpretation of natural born citizen suggesting that someone born of a non-citizen father is a natural born citizen.

Don't be confused by natural born subject. Monarchies need soldier and taxpayers. A nation of laws needed assurances when it selected a commander in chief from among citizens. Natural born citizenship has a long history, and for good reason.

Obama knows the judicial system or knows people who do. He seems to count on deferring any discovery of his status, with the help of state-run media, the Democratic legislature, his courts, and the questionable status of John McCain, who, were he inclined, didn't dare challenge Obama’s “jus sanguinis” problem when McCain wasn't born on U.S. territory. No one questions McCain's patriotism, but we are still presumably a nation of laws.

28 posted on 12/07/2009 8:51:34 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

That’s probably what they think.


29 posted on 12/07/2009 8:52:23 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
let's see it barry
30 posted on 12/07/2009 8:54:03 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For those that missed Rick Sanchez' defense of Obama's Hawaii Birth and simultaneous slam of Palin as a Birther [Rev. Manning clip]
31 posted on 12/07/2009 8:54:39 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Electric Graffiti
I think his birth name was most likely Barry Obama. That wasn’t muslim enough for this scumbag so he changed it to Barack Hussein Osama II. Knowing this POS, the name change wasn’t legal.

I think you're right. This is sort of like Gerald ("Gerry") Rivera/Riviera becoming Geraldo Rivera, no? Except I think Gerald/Geraldo made the name change legally.

32 posted on 12/07/2009 8:55:48 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Spaulding
How did you do that?

HTML?


33 posted on 12/07/2009 8:56:05 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It doesn’t matter, really....he’s a lousy president no matter what!

He lies when the truth would be easier...who knows what is
the truth where this guy is concerned!!


34 posted on 12/07/2009 8:57:54 PM PST by LUV W (Obama, the job-killer, has presided over the loss of 4.6 million jobs...and counting! RL)
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Some have also claimed that his full name includes the name “Mohammed,” adding to speculation that Obama is a secret Muslim.

Wow! And "Barack" and "Hussein" aren't enough proof of a Muslim name? The author is a waterhead
35 posted on 12/07/2009 9:00:39 PM PST by jcb2009 ((I can't tell who the Chi-Coms are anymore))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hes a Marxist performing sedition and probably espinonage..
Who cares where he was born?...
36 posted on 12/07/2009 9:01:37 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The quickest way to deal with articles like this is to scan for the words "long form" and "short form." If the different types of Hawaiian birth certificates are not mentioned, the article is not serious.

This piece fails my test.

37 posted on 12/07/2009 9:05:27 PM PST by TChad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems a cut-n-dried recitation of the basic facts known/asserted.

I am sure some birther-inclined will nit-pick, but the two newspaper birth announcements sealed it for me that it was ‘case closed’ that he was born in Honolulu. You have to come up with a bizarre (and based wholly on speculation) scenario to have Barry O. not born in Honolulu.
More here:
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2009/08/birther-madness-ii-bhos-birthplace.html


38 posted on 12/07/2009 9:09:43 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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“Distraction. If he produced the BC, then people might start paying more attention to the fact he’s a Marxist. “

ROFL!

Good news, the people are wising up to him ...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


39 posted on 12/07/2009 9:10:59 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Blogger

Obammy is an unidentfied flying object......eeerrr..alien!


40 posted on 12/07/2009 9:11:53 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: Nea Wood
On the testimony of the Hawaiian school teachers claim.....

Unfortunately I was unable to keep track of the 10,000 posts from last August on this subject. I did remember the segment however because of a certain "quip".

The woman claimed that the physician was meeting her informally and he said "Guess what? I delivered a baby born to Stanley today". The play of course, was on the name of Stanley Ann Dunham. Freeper researchers had it that there was such a physician that the woman named.

I am fairly sure however, with further Freeper researchers, that the physician was proven to have retired seven years earlier, before 1961. Apologists countered that he could have been brought in for extra work.

The public has a right to know.

41 posted on 12/07/2009 9:15:59 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Irisshlass

Are you aware that there are millions of Christian Arabs?

With a good chunk of them living in the Middle East, is it surprising that many would have names otherwise associated with Islam?


42 posted on 12/07/2009 9:21:09 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: WOSG

Newspaper clippings from some internet site are now legal proof of identity/citizenship? Does that work at the DMV or only for the Presidency? Shut your piehole you ignorant puffed up smidgeon of blowfish sh!t.


43 posted on 12/07/2009 9:39:13 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Eagles6
That's true. I was born in Hawaii in 1945. I have a copy of my long form birth certificate, black with white lettering. The detail is amazing, from date, time and place, my parents’ full names, address, and occupation to the name and signature of the attending doctor. I also have a ‘short form,’ which looks like Obama’s. Sometimes the short forms are considered adequate for obtaining a passport, sometimes not.
44 posted on 12/07/2009 9:45:35 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Beware Taquiyah)
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To: Irisshlass

“Name one christian with a muslim name?”

To answer your question, at least indirectly, over six million African Muslims convert to Christianity this year. This was reported by no less of an authority than “Al Jazeerah”!?!?!?

I do not vouch for these figures, but a cursory investigation of the subject via Google was enough to convince me that there are many folks, born with Muslim names, that are now Christians. I would suppose most retain their birth names.

My belief is that this is a positive movement. What’s your feeling on it?


45 posted on 12/07/2009 9:47:00 PM PST by Habibi
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To: El Sordo
Good point, but there aren't many Christians left outside of Israel and Lebanon, just as there aren't many Arab Jews left in Muslim countries. The few Christian's left in Nazareth and Jericho for example, face constant danger. A good many have immigrated, fortunately for us, to the U.S. They are a treasure because they understand Muslims much better than we non-muslims do, but they also share the Christian values upon which our nation was founded, while Arab Muslim immigrants live with the goal of replacing our society with Islamic Sharia.

My children attended a k-8 whose headmaster was Muslim from North Africa. Among our best friends are Arab Christians from a village near Haifa. We are Jews, but I detected no prejudice from the headmaster, who had an Arab charm I've known in privileged Persians (though most Persians are not Arab). Our Arab Christian friend, whose family has largely been driven from their village by Muslims (Israeli Muslims), told me that when speaking to another Arab the headmaster's prejudices are what one expects from the Muslims, about crudeness and blood libels and the descendants of pigs, but the headmaster, as most Muslims, has learned to hide his conditioning. It has gotten worse for Christians, along with the rise of Wahabbism.

46 posted on 12/07/2009 9:48:08 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: WOSG
I don't know whether the President is a natural born citizen as required by law and the Constitution or not. I do wonder why he has spent upwards and more of a million dollars to assure that none of his school and college records will ever be made public. Hmmm? That would leave one to believe that he is concealing something...
47 posted on 12/07/2009 9:53:48 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Beware Taquiyah)
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To: narses
Ha. You're just showing off.

OK. I'm lazy. Was it as easy as cut-and-paste? Is scaling automatic? I know there are HTML experts among Freepers because I see their handiwork. Somewhere in FR archives there is a page of html commands. I find it every few years. Yes, I know I can “view” the page source code.

I certainly don't count on Kerchner-Apuzzo saving us, but if a judge somewhere feels there is more to lose by not exercising his or her sworn oath, Apuzzo seems to have enough legal threads to allow someone to crack this coup. An impotent legal system is a likely path to revolution (if someone important didn't say that, he should have!)

48 posted on 12/07/2009 10:03:46 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: FormerACLUmember
Snopes is a liberal B.S. website.

Exactly. Just search anything Clinton-related and see how apologetic they are towards him.

49 posted on 12/07/2009 10:04:03 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: Spaulding

:)


50 posted on 12/07/2009 10:05:32 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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