Public gasps at Lake Michigan wind farm images

Oceana Herald Journal ^ | 12/16/09 | John Cavanagh

[reaganrevolutionin2010]

A collective gasp was heard when computer enhanced photographs depicting numerous wind turbine generators were shown in Lake Michigan off Pentwater harbor and Little Point Sable at informational meeting in Scottville Tuesday night.

The photos were included as part of the public presentation before a full house at West Shore Community College by wind farm developer Scandia Wind LLC.

“It’s (Lake Michigan) more beautiful without them. Even I recognize that,” said Harald Dirdal, a project manager with Havgul Clean Energy of Norway.

Scandia Wind LLC is exploring the possibility of constructing an estimated $3 billion, 1,000 megawatt wind farm in Lake Michigan over a 100 square mile area from the Ludington Pumped Storage facility to Silver Lake.

[SunkenCiv]

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[discostu]

Yup, that would be ugly.

[DungeonMaster]

Wind power is inefficient, inconsistent, and ugly.

Inefficient, no. Inconsistent, yes. Ugly, hell no.

[dead]

I agree. I don't think they're ugly at all. There's a few really big windmills in Atlantic City that I think are beautiful and fascinating to watch.

Of course, they're essentially worthless for large scale reliable power generation. But they're pretty.

[DungeonMaster]

and pumped storage,

Where do you get this idea?

[DungeonMaster]

Of course, they're essentially worthless for large scale reliable power generation.

Yes they are, individually. Just like cars are essentially worthless for large scale reliable transportation, individually.

[dead]

Yes they are, individually. Just like cars are essentially worthless for large scale reliable transportation, individually.

I don't care if you have a hundred windmills or a thousand, they are still not reliable for large scale power generation.

They only work when the wind blows.

[Fresh Wind]

I'd rather see this...

[DungeonMaster]

They only work when the wind blows.

The wind is ALWAYS blowing somewhere.

[DungeonMaster]

I don't care if you have a hundred windmills or a thousand,

A thousand is small potatos. In Iowa we have nearly 3000 with more coming. 10,000 seems reasonable for a state of 56,000 square miles.

[Balding_Eagle]

Typical power loss for long distance transmission is 50%.

So instead of a 1,000 windmills, you have 500.

[Balding_Eagle]

And don't forget this gem:

"The Spanish professor is puzzled. Why, Gabriel Calzada wonders, is the U.S. president recommending that America emulate the Spanish model for creating "green jobs" in "alternative energy" even though Spain's unemployment rate is 18.1% — more than double the European Union average — partly because of spending on such jobs?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278837/posts

[bmwcyle]

ping

[votemout]

Wind and solar farms have a large footprint. In order to equal one medium output nuclear plant you need solar panels taking up 7 miles by 7 miles. The solution to our energy future is to do more of what we're doing, coal, oil etc. while building nuclear plants.

Of copurse we would have to open Yucca Mountain depository and wake up the guy in the white house.

[Lakeshark]

Actually, extraordinarily inefficient. The worst in the alternative energy world.

And yes, ugly as hell, which is why people gasped at the virtual model when it was revealed. I've seen these things on the ridges of Maui, the deserts of Texas, and they just make the landscape ugly.

Why do you think the Kennedy's wouldn't let them in their private view, cause they were pretty?

[Lakeshark]

As many as you have, you save nothing because you have to have a power plant on back up, running all the time because of the inconsistency. This is such a dumb waste of resources.

[Arizona Carolyn]

IT would be fine, if they actually produced enough electricity... but they don’t... the best thing would be nuclear.

[DungeonMaster]

Typical power loss for long distance transmission is 50%.

So instead of a 1,000 windmills, you have 500.

You are sadly mistaken.

[Balding_Eagle]

So right you are:

"Scientist calls nation's biggest solar plant a toy

Researcher's report claims advocates inflating numbers to hide cost"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=117592

[DungeonMaster]

Wind power has about an 80 percent approval rating by those near windfarms.