Public gasps at Lake Michigan wind farm images

Oceana Herald Journal ^ | 12/16/09 | John Cavanagh

[DungeonMaster]

As many as you have, you save nothing because you have to have a power plant on back up, running all the time because of the inconsistency. This is such a dumb waste of resources.

You are sadly mistaken.

[votemout]

There was a woman on Dennis Prager about 4 months ago. She has written a pro-nuclear energy book and debunks the feasibility of solar and windmill farms. She used to be an anti-nuke fanatic. He said he would post her book title on his site, but I never saw it. Can’t remember her name.

[Lakeshark]

Actually, it’s those who think windpower is feasible without storage that are sadly mistaken.........cause it’s a simple matter that when the wind does not blow, people don’t turn off their electrical usage. You may want to live like a luddite, but most of us don’t.

[DungeonMaster]

Soon the country will get 3 percent of it’s power from wind, then 4, then 5...

[Lakeshark]

Yes, but it won't save anything. You have to burn the fuels to back the windmills up.

So why are we doing something this stupid? Does it somehow make you feel better?

[Hacksaw]

They are against windmills, hydro power, coal, atomic energy, geothermal power, and probably solar panels next.

[mo]

This wind business is an absolute con. There are MASSIVE fields of natural gas underneath the eastern seaboard. The consters have infiltrated the Dept of energy and have bought enough congresscritters to force us to pay for their machinations.

[DungeonMaster]

Yes, but it won't save anything. You have to burn the fuels to back the windmills up.

Backup is accomplished with hydro which can often be switched on and off in a heartbeat, natural gas which also can also be turned on rapidly and coal which has many levels of backup. So you're wrong.

[DungeonMaster]

http://www.embracewind.com/myths.html

[Lakeshark]

In a heartbeat? Bwahahahaha.

You know absolutely nothing about this stuff do you?

[Repeal The 17th]

“...pumped storage...”
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Our public utility here in Georgia does that.

[DungeonMaster]

http://www.awea.org/pubs/factsheets/050629_Myths_vs_Facts_Fact_Sheet.pdf

[DungeonMaster]

You know absolutely nothing about this stuff do you?

Heartbeat is relative to a cold coal fired plant.

[Lakeshark]

http://www.aweo.org/ProblemWithWind.html

[DungeonMaster]

I need more info. How much energy from what is stored by pumping what into what? They are experimenting with pumping air into mines here in Iowa and there are also schemes where water is pumped back into dammed reservoirs.

[Lancey Howard]

I'd rather see this...

Me too, but not from my patio.

[arasina]

Just like California. While I think windmills are not economical, this particular opposition to them shows what I call “California Thinking.” It can be summed up by the attitude of:

“We want electricity, but we don’t want anything that actually generates electricity anywhere near us. We expect that infinite quantities of electricity will be made in ‘some other place’ without any harm to any living thing and will be transported at no cost to our electric outlets.”

PERFECTLY stated!

[Lakeshark]

At least nukes are efficient, consistent and actually work.

[DungeonMaster]

The word backup does not occur in that list of complaints.

[Lakeshark]

It's implicit in the Denmark discussion. They supposedly get 18% of their energy from wind, but as the article said, they haven't closed any power plants, and have to run the old ones all the time in order to insure even power distribution.

So why are they doing this? Ans: Cause it makes them feel better and intellectually superior typical lib reasoning.