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Single-payer health care plan dies in Senate
http://news.aol.com/article/gop-delay-tactics-slow-dems-on-health/808110?cid=12 ^ | 5 mins ago | AP

Posted on 12/16/2009 3:21:05 PM PST by jessduntno

WASHINGTON -The liberals' longtime dream of a government-run health care system for all died Wednesday in the Senate, but Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont vowed it will return when the realization dawns that private insurance companies "are no longer needed." Sanders, an independent and socialist, said his approach is the only one "which eliminates the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste, administrative costs, bureaucracy and profiteering that is engendered by the private insurance companies." His remarks drew handshakes and even a hug or two from Democrats who had filed into the Senate to hear him. Sanders acknowledged the proposal lacked the votes to pass, and he chose to withdraw it after Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., exercised his prerogative and required Senate clerks to begin reading the 767-page proposal aloud to a nearly empty chamber. After three hours, they were 139 pages into it. The political theater came as the White House and Senate Democrats sought an agreement with Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., to become the 60th supporter of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul — the number needed to overcome a Republican filibuster. The Nebraska lawmaker told reporters he was reviewing a proposal to toughen abortion restrictions in the legislation, one of the changes he is seeking. Nelson said the compromise negotiated by anti-abortion Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., involves attempt to separate private and public funds, an approach that in the past failed to sway the Nebraska moderate and Catholic bishops. Asked whether the new language was satisfactory, Nelson said, "I don't know at this point in time. Constituency groups haven't responded back yet." Nelson emerged as the lone known holdout among 60 Democrats and independents earlier in the week after Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., forced supporters of the bill to remove a proposed Medicare expansion.

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We'll see...
1 posted on 12/16/2009 3:21:06 PM PST by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno

WASHINGTON -The liberals’ longtime dream of a government-run health care system for all died Wednesday in the Senate, but Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont vowed it will return when the realization dawns that private insurance companies “are no longer needed.”

Sanders, an independent and socialist, said his approach is the only one “which eliminates the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste, administrative costs, bureaucracy and profiteering that is engendered by the private insurance companies.” His remarks drew handshakes and even a hug or two from Democrats who had filed into the Senate to hear him.

Sanders acknowledged the proposal lacked the votes to pass, and he chose to withdraw it after Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., exercised his prerogative and required Senate clerks to begin reading the 767-page proposal aloud to a nearly empty chamber. After three hours, they were 139 pages into it.

The political theater came as the White House and Senate Democrats sought an agreement with Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., to become the 60th supporter of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul — the number needed to overcome a Republican filibuster.

The Nebraska lawmaker told reporters he was reviewing a proposal to toughen abortion restrictions in the legislation, one of the changes he is seeking. Nelson said the compromise negotiated by anti-abortion Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., involves attempt to separate private and public funds, an approach that in the past failed to sway the Nebraska moderate and Catholic bishops.
Asked whether the new language was satisfactory, Nelson said, “I don’t know at this point in time. Constituency groups haven’t responded back yet.”

Nelson emerged as the lone known holdout among 60 Democrats and independents earlier in the week after Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., forced supporters of the bill to remove a proposed Medicare expansion.


2 posted on 12/16/2009 3:22:08 PM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: Admin Moderator

can you swap #2 With story lead?
I know that formatting is our friend.
Thanks and sorry...


3 posted on 12/16/2009 3:23:26 PM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: jessduntno

Single-payer health care plan dies in Senate
_________________________________________________

Quick drive a stake through its heart

dig a hole and bury it with about a ton of garlic

Put lots of dirt and a big slab of concrete on top of it


4 posted on 12/16/2009 3:26:14 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: jessduntno
"The liberals' longtime dream of a government-run health care system for all died Wednesday in the Senate, but Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont vowed it will return when the realization dawns that private insurance companies 'are no longer needed.'"

LOL
Hopefully, *bernie*, you'll be longggggg gone by then. LOL

Won't believe this 'til I see Dingy Harry, Pelousy and 4 of their hand picked quislings carrying a casket clearly marked in bold English, "Health Care Reform".

Otherwise, just more lies by the same ol' liars. LOL

5 posted on 12/16/2009 3:26:49 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; FBD; 1776 Reborn; Liz
>ping<

For a laugh. :o)

6 posted on 12/16/2009 3:27:38 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: jessduntno

HHS Secretary Sebelius Announces: HHS has the authority to implement single payer plan by adjusting parameters for Medicare.

(Law, we don’t need no stinking law)


7 posted on 12/16/2009 3:33:31 PM PST by updatedscreenname
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To: Landru; jessduntno; Liz

Laugh is right LMhairyBO!

“Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont vowed it will return when the realization dawns that private insurance companies “are no longer needed.” Sanders, an independent and socialist, said his approach is the only one “which eliminates the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste, administrative costs, bureaucracy and profiteering that is engendered by the private insurance companies.”

Let us see now.....private companies who must be efficient to make a profit waste HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. But the federal government which DESTROYS money, will SAVE billions of dollars. Uh, Bernie? You have been dead for many years........LIE DOWN!!!!


8 posted on 12/16/2009 3:36:06 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Landru
His remarks drew handshakes and even a hug or two from Democrats who had filed into the Senate to hear him.

Touching, isn't it?

9 posted on 12/16/2009 3:36:13 PM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Shoot it with a silver bullet just to make sure ;-)


10 posted on 12/16/2009 3:37:25 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: updatedscreenname
"HHS Secretary Sebelius Announces: HHS has the authority to implement single payer plan by adjusting parameters for Medicare."

Ahhhhhhhhh yet another end-around, ala the EPA eh?

Bring it on, this is rapidly morphing into more *fun* than anyone could've possibly imagined. LOL

11 posted on 12/16/2009 3:37:56 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: jessduntno

Profit is the price of incentive. Absent the promise of profit, no one would have the least idea what anything truly costs. If goods were provided without reference to the value of time, energy, knowledge, or ability, they would reflect only the cost of raw materials rather than their true value when transformed into commodities, leading to a scarcity of everything. See: Socialism.


12 posted on 12/16/2009 3:39:29 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: jessduntno

IT HAS NOT DIED. WE STILL HAVE A RECONCILIATION POSSIBILITY...... AND....... WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN TO INSURANCE COMPANIES BEING SUPERVISED BY A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE UNION AGENCY?

THIS IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM SINGLE PAYER BY ANY OTHER NAME.

LETS CALL IT SINGLE PAYER 2.....OR SINGLE PAYER PLAN B.

These leftists want us by the cajones very, very badly, and they need to be sent packing.


13 posted on 12/16/2009 3:40:35 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , and truth (.Member NRA))
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"Let us see now...private companies who must be efficient to make a profit waste HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. But the federal government which DESTROYS money, will SAVE billions of dollars. Uh, Bernie? You have been dead for many years...LIE DOWN!!!!

BWWWHAAAA!!!!!!!

But-but, steph?
What about the Dead Constituency?
The republic's dead'uns need representation, outside Chicago, too y'know. LOL

14 posted on 12/16/2009 3:42:35 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: jessduntno
"Touching, isn't it?"

Considering it's Democrats we speak, how about felt up. LOL

15 posted on 12/16/2009 3:43:52 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
"... leading to a scarcity of everything. See: Socialism."

I was talking with a young college grad nitwit about this the other day and he responded with "yeah but there hasn't been a REAL socialist country yet.." - sigh -

16 posted on 12/16/2009 3:46:01 PM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: Landru

The Tiger Woods Stamp of Approval!


17 posted on 12/16/2009 3:46:36 PM PST by GnuHere
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To: GnuHere
"The Tiger Woods Stamp of Approval!"

In a word, Fore!. LOL

18 posted on 12/16/2009 3:50:08 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
.private companies who must be efficient to make a profit

not if they just keep raising the rates every year, my health insurance is going up 20% next year, if they were being efficient the costs should go down once in a while
19 posted on 12/16/2009 3:53:40 PM PST by houston1
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To: Landru

“But-but, steph?
What about the Dead Constituency? “

Now I know the meaning of “Grateful Dead” ;-)


20 posted on 12/16/2009 3:54:55 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: jessduntno
No health care for you!

21 posted on 12/16/2009 3:54:55 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Landru

“But-but, steph?
What about the Dead Constituency? “

Now I know the meaning of “Grateful Dead”

Bernie Don’t You Come Around Here, Anymore............

Cue Jerry Garcia......


22 posted on 12/16/2009 3:57:05 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: jessduntno
The liberals' longtime dream of a government-run health care system for all died Wednesday in the Senate,

It ain't dead until AFTER Christmas.

23 posted on 12/16/2009 4:00:17 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Perfection is the enemy of Good.)
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To: jessduntno
I was talking with a young college grad nitwit about this the other day and he responded with "yeah but there hasn't been a REAL socialist country yet.." - sigh -

I almost have to laugh, but it's ineffably sad to see what happens to people possessed by Utopian fantasies. Just remember (and feel free to tell those who need to know): To the Left: Capitalism will always be judged by its worst examples; Socialism is only judged by its promises. Capitalism is held to a standard of perfection; Socialism fails only because people have not yet been perfected.

When people come to accept that human beings are not perfectible and that the purpose of government is to ensure liberty, not obedience are they able to truly live and let live.

24 posted on 12/16/2009 4:16:18 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: GnuHere; Landru

“The Tiger Woods Stamp of Approval

......not too hasty here

(AP) In a bold move, President Obama attempted to hang the bad economy on Tiger Woods.

” These rich oriental-Americans just don’t get it. 120 million a year, buys a lot of Bud Light, right? But not for the ACORNS of the world. Not for the disenfranchised! Not for the illegal immigrants! We need to even the playing field on the golf course of America!

I may be coming down with a New Gnu Flu....


25 posted on 12/16/2009 4:20:57 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: andy58-in-nh

“When people come to accept that human beings are not perfectible ...”

That is the crux of it, isn’t it?

The rejection of the idea that humans can be made into Gods.

I fear that this will be the basis of the “lie” or “great delusion” that will fall across the entire world in end times.


26 posted on 12/16/2009 4:24:34 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: jessduntno; Landru

“Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont vowed it will return when the realization dawns that private insurance companies “are no longer needed.” Sanders, an independent and socialist, said his approach is the only one “which eliminates the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste, administrative costs, bureaucracy and profiteering that is engendered by the private insurance companies.” His remarks drew handshakes and even a hug or two from Democrats who had filed into the Senate to hear him.”


It is just incredible that these A holes never think once about all the private sector jobs that would be eliminated.
It’s like if they aren’t government jobs, they don’t exist.


27 posted on 12/16/2009 4:41:12 PM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: TruthConquers

I believe that has always been the central idea dividing Left from Right. We believe that human beings are imperfect by their nature, because they were created as beings of volitional consciousness: we choose to see what we see; hear what we hear; feel what we feel. Objective reality exists external to our own devices. Those on the Left, either directly or implicitly believe that reality is simply a human construct. Our organizing principle is the right of the individual to life, liberty and property; theirs is the right of the group to define what limits pertain to all.


28 posted on 12/16/2009 4:44:20 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: 1776 Reborn

“It’s like if they aren’t Politboro jobs, they don’t exist.”

Fixed it.


29 posted on 12/16/2009 4:49:00 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

:)


30 posted on 12/16/2009 4:51:28 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“It’s like if they aren’t Politboro jobs, they don’t exist.”
Fixed it.


Without a whimper from all of those that work in the industry, anyone in congress on either side, or ANYONE in the media. Just incredible!


31 posted on 12/16/2009 4:58:56 PM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: houston1

I don’t believe health insurance company greed or mismanagement is the largest factor in rising healthcare costs.

I believe Medicare and Medicaid are the largest factors.

The US population is aging and more people as a percentage are required ny law to be on Medicare.

The deep recession is bring more and more people as a percentage onto Medicaid.

The health insurance companies are forced to subsidize doctors, clinics and hospitals who lose money from forced medicare and medicaid operations. Doctors, clinics and hospitals are poorly reimbursed from Medicare. And doctors cannot refuse to see their patient who recently turned 65 and is now required to be on Medicare.

Often doctors who have practices that become too weighted with Medicare patients, they are forced to retire or move to a different area and start over. They can refuse to see a new patient who is covered by Medicare, but they can’t refuse to see a patient who turns 65 and becomes a Medicare patient.

So what doctors, clinics and hospitals do is bill under every code and also they practice defensively to avoid lawsuits. Those factors together with an aging population are likely the single greatest cause of rising health premiums.


32 posted on 12/16/2009 4:59:38 PM PST by Hostage
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To: 1776 Reborn

Incredible covers it.


33 posted on 12/16/2009 6:15:45 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: jessduntno

It’s not dead...single-payer is the inevitable result of the creation of 111 bureaucracies, as are created in the Senate reform bill. The bill describes a system that is so incomprehensible, Byzantine, and medieval, that the only result will be a single-payer system, as ALL the Dems, especially Obama, want.


34 posted on 12/16/2009 6:20:22 PM PST by browniexyz
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To: andy58-in-nh

Wow, most college grads I know are focused square on the reality of having getting shafted by paying for a college education that hasn’t helped them in the least in getting a real job so that they can start a real life. Not one youngster in my acquaintance is sighing over whether socialism exists— they are more concerned about what the heck this government is getting ready to do to their generation with all the taxes and debts!!!


35 posted on 12/16/2009 6:29:12 PM PST by browniexyz
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To: stephenjohnbanker

(Van Jones shouting)
“GIVE THEM THE GOLF!!”
“GIVE THEM THE GOLF!!”


36 posted on 12/16/2009 7:48:34 PM PST by GnuHere
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To: jessduntno

Nothing has died; they’ll just try another tactic.

A government takeover is the reason for the season. Never turn your back on a DemocRat!


37 posted on 12/16/2009 7:51:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Landru

Thought you might enjoy this if you haven’t seen it already. “Why men shouldn’t write advice columns.”

http://www.jonathannguyen.net/2009/11/men-write-advice-columns/


38 posted on 12/17/2009 2:52:33 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Landru

Here is another one from 4/09.
The Lone Ranger’s Last Request

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/4878629/


39 posted on 12/17/2009 3:18:54 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: GnuHere

Perfect ;-)


40 posted on 12/17/2009 3:42:00 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: 1776 Reborn

A classic. I saved it .


41 posted on 12/17/2009 3:44:45 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: 1776 Reborn

LMBO!!


42 posted on 12/17/2009 3:47:56 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; 1776 Reborn
"(AP) In a bold move, President Obama attempted to hang the bad economy on Tiger Woods."

BWWWWWWWWWWHHAAAAAAAA!!!!
I really like the (AP) thing, nice touch.
Unfortunately it isn't true-to-form, my friend.
Calls for an edit, and, *I'm* just the one to do it.
Now then...

"(AP) In an unexpected but bold move, President Obama attempted to hang the bad economy on Tiger Woods and Ronald Reagan."

Hate to be a prig ol' man, but right is right. LOL!!! ;^)

43 posted on 12/17/2009 4:17:53 AM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: Landru

Okay Okay !!


44 posted on 12/17/2009 4:22:26 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: 1776 Reborn
re 38 & 39: funny as all get-out!! LOL
45 posted on 12/17/2009 5:54:36 AM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: jessduntno
Sanders, an independent and socialist, said his approach is the only one "which eliminates the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste, administrative costs, bureaucracy and profiteering

He's voting to get rid of the federal goobermint? How -- he's a socialist?

46 posted on 12/17/2009 12:53:29 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
Sanders, an independent and socialist, said his approach is the only one "which eliminates the hundreds of billions of dollars in waste, administrative costs, bureaucracy and profiteering

"He's voting to get rid of the federal goobermint? How -- he's a socialist?"

Heh, heh...you really ARE Still Thinking...good one...

47 posted on 12/17/2009 12:55:14 PM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: Landru

Will be off line for a couple days.
Have a great weekend!

Grant


48 posted on 12/17/2009 1:51:21 PM PST by 1776 Reborn
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