Skip to comments.What do we do if Deathcare passes?
Posted on 12/18/2009 10:59:19 AM PST by hdbc
If this nightmare passes, what Alinsky, civil disobedience tactics can we use to overturn it? Voting these creeps out is only part of the solution. Even if we took control of congress in 2010, we would need a veto proof majority to overturn it. Unlikely, I suspect. We need to do what the libtards do when they want to undermine something. Any ideas out there?
It would be nice for a bunch of state governors to stand up and say “(State) will NOT comply with these illegal laws.”
the only obvious thing I can see is legal action to prevent a Federal mandate on the people that is unconstitutional. I am not real confident that judicial system will be real helpful, though.
It might take a supermajority to overturn it but it won’t take a supermajority to not fund it.
The precident for banning a coercion to purchase health care, which is a contract, is United States vs Reynolds. It draws on the 13th Amendment prohibition on Indentured Servitude. Straight to SCOTUS. This court will uphold Reynolds.
Also, look for a lot of income to start “disappearing” (John Galt style).
Smart Canadians save up their money to travel to America for important medical stuff. We will have to save up our money to go to overseas for what we used to get right here in the comfort of our own country.
Impeach Obama. No, We need him for an easy win in 2012.
First, doesn’t the amended bill go back to the House? If it doesn’t, and passes as is and goes to Obama, then the fallout is going to be interesting. The current bill mandates purchase of health insurance under penalty of law, but there is no public option. Therefore you have to buy from a private insurance company. Won’t this only strengthen private insurance, or are there other things in the bill to make things go the other way.
With 2000 plus pages, its frikken hard to know what is going to happen.
“It would be nice for a bunch of state governors to stand up and say (State) will NOT comply with these illegal laws.”
I know of one Governor (Rick Perry) who said they will do exactly that.
I’m going to let them lock me up so I can get the free healthcare they are putting me in jail for not paying for :)
Shut down Washington, DC. We can do it. We could have done it on 9/12, but we were (foolishly) trying to show we are civilized people who respect the law. We can make them fear us. DC simply does not have the manpower or the resources to do much of anything if 1.5 million of us get physical.
In addition, it is time to start forming formal, organized groups that, in mass, will refuse to buy government mandated “insurance”. Publicly and vocally and in your face. Think about it. What is DC going to do when 5 or 10 million people simply refuse to obey their “law”? Essentially, citizen nullification.
But this would have to be done early on to be effective.
stop funding them
I cannot give permission to be killed by drugs if they won’t treat my condition.
I will have to go home and live with the pain.
I’m preparing myself to suffer and leave my family so they won’t see it. I’m guessing to a bridge or box.
It doesn’t look very cheery.
Pretty much anything they want. Like the IRS codes, anyone can be found to be in "noncompliance" somewhere if the bureaucrats so decide. It'll be great for petty government workers to get even.
If we could get enough people to just refuse to pay income taxes next April 15th they would get the message.
It would have to be a United effort, but they cannot jail us all.
Refuse to obey the commies in washington
and join oathkeepers.org
NOBODY SIGNS UP FOR IT, NOBODY BUYS IT, LET 'EM JAIL A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND OF US.
Like it never even happened.
The Republican's capture the House, they capture the purse strings. They don't spend, then nobody spends. If Obama doesn't sign the rescission, then his Government is starved until it relents.
stand on principal and refuse to pay for the mandated policy (though with a little bad luck you might find Keith Olbermann is your cellmate)
principal = principle
(standing on principal just gets you reams of detention)
1) Civil Disobedience for Healthcare “Mandates” (Taxes)- Then when a large number of people have been incarcerated and fined for this DEMAND a mass pardon!
2) Don’t pay your taxes? (Risky, but are YOU willing to do it)!?
3) Turn to the states to “opt out” it’s citizens from the consequences (and paying) for Obamacare.
4) Make sure there is a majority to repeal it.
5) (Highly unlikely) but seek to overturn it in the Courts.
How about using a right wing Rhambo move of finding some dirt (old, new, Tiger Woods-style) stuff on a Democrat?
How about an affair, liason, corruption, bribery, pay-for-play, campaign doner fraud, Mob/union/Greenie ties...
Can we dig up anything, or if we did, would the State-run media spin, ignore or deny any investigation anyway?
Even though I've always had health insurance I'm going to stage some minor civil disobedience and "redact" the part of the 1040 that requires me to inform the government about my insurance status. I'm going to bold out the entire section with a big black marker and write ---REDACTED---REFUSE TO ANSWER---UNCONSTITOUTIONAL---. This will serve the purpose of screwing up the IRS's machines autoscan functions the large black box will cause the return to be kicked out and it will have to be entered by hand, making a LOT of extra work and also making sure someone sees what is written(imagine if 1,000,000 people did that). And No, I am NOT afraid of IRS, I pay all my taxes and I will have insurance so let them audit me, they'll waste even more money on that...
We will have to save up our money to go to overseas for what we used to get right here in the comfort of our own country.
Well, won’t that be an interesting “change”.
Don’t worry or fear - the Death cult will make sure there is a civilized way to put you down - Soylent Green showed it very well: Hemlock centers where people could go to die very quietly and then on to the factory for further “processing.”
Or you can have the “home option” where hospice nurses will come and give you a lethal dose of morphine. No problemo...
180° wrong - If few sign up an all pay, it will be declared a huge success because the program does not cost what it was projected.
INSTEAD we should all sign up for it and USE IT. Use it in copius amounts. Every ache, pain and phantom malody should be tended to. Healthcare has been declared your RIGHT and no one can deny you. Get a second and third opinion on every diagnosis. Demand the attention that you deserve.
Crush the program with its own weight.
I have thought of this very scenario....drive to any inner city area, and purchase heroin...if I cannot get pain relief legally, then it will have to be done illegally. I would refuse to live in pain when pain relief is readily available, legal or not
If enough dems are ousted, maybe we can convince some other dems of the error of their ways and kill it.
Start the lawsuits. With some good lawyering this thing could be tied up in court until Canada get’s rid of theirs, then it’ll be really easy to overturn it in Congress.
Of course if everyone did this, the new health care system would collapse in a matter of months..... :-)
or the old standby, build these buildings, tell people they are going in to take a shower then..............
How many of the sheeple will suddenly get some courage and resist unjust actions by their government?
My guess is .001%
As a former leftist, let me list the ways:
Pack the clinics and have a sit-down protest.
Create lots of video imagery mocking the health care situation, and don’t spare exagerration, hyperbole, and outright misstatements of fact. The left uses this tactic often; turn it against them. Overwhelm their ability to critique what we’re doing by flooding the system.
Select those who support this action and target them, run opposition research, use thier own values against them (Sen. X used a private clinic for his skin cancer removal!!!), and be unrelenting.
Remember that our goal is the destruction of the left, just as their stated goal is the destruction of the right (which they call “bourgeoise values”). Be unrelenting in that goal. The left has literally worked on a scale of decades, if not centuries; they pioneered the idea of the “long walk through the institutions.” We can do the same thing, quietly hiring our own in academia, the media, and government, until we attain positions of influence.
Always take the offensive.
Use humor against the opposition.
Hey, I gotta go back to work. Just read Alinsky and apply his rules to conservative values and goals. Those rules don’t belong to any single ideology. As the left will discover to its discontent.
You forgot #7:
7) Uncivil disobedience.
Here’s how it will play out if the GOP gains a majority in the House and Senate in 2010: the RATS will snuggle up to their GOP counterparts and whisper sweet nothings of how bipartisan and cooperative they’re going to be and at the same time take the knife out and thrust it into the back of the idiot Republican who believes a single syllable any RAT utters.
I like the idea of the sit-down protests at clinics to gum up the works.
Isn’t Oathkeepers only for current or former military and law enforcement? I’ve never taken an oath of that type, so I don’t think I can be part of their organization.
I like the idea of millions of Americans refusing to comply and daring the feds to throw us all in jail. Maybe they can send me to the newly vacated Gitmo prison?
those buildings will be for the Tea Party folks.
Our government has become a runaway train because the majority of people have been asleep at the wheel.
What happens when you are deemed a suitable organ donor
for an ailing Senator? I mean it’s for the good of the
country. A recipient of the nations largess must carry
some responsibilities.... /s
There was a time I could not understand how Hitler was able to do what he did. People sitting back and allowing the Jews to be taken. Jews allowing themselves to be taken and marched off to die. Now I see what is happening in this Country and now I understand. We are Germany in the 21st Century.
We never learn just how depraved we as humans can become. The question is, What can we do to effectively fight what is going on now and what is coming? Will our law enforcement brothers and sisters fight against the Patriots (I’m just following orders) or will they stand with us (I will not follow an illegal order)? How many of us are willing to die for what we believe, and make sure the powers that be know it — or will we get scared and hunker down like ostriches? I recently was tested (forced to have the H1N1 vaccine or lose my job), and I buckled. What will be the next freedom I let go?