Skip to comments.General defends court martial for pregnant soldiers
Posted on 12/21/2009 3:42:35 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
A US Army general in northern Iraq has defended his decision to add pregnancy to the list of reasons a soldier under his command could face court martial. It is current army policy to send pregnant soldiers home, but Maj Gen Anthony Cucolo told the BBC he was losing people with critical skills. That was why the added deterrent of a possible court martial was needed, he said. The new policy applies both to female and male soldiers, even if married. The male sexual partners of female soldiers who get pregnant would also "face the consequences", he said. It is the first time the US Army has made pregnancy a punishable offence.
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When I was in the military, it was a punishable offense if a sunburn “kept a person from normal assigned duty”. Pregnancy certainly does that also. The military hires a person to do a job. If that person does something to keep them from doing that job a punishment is only logical. There should be no difference if it is a sunburn or a pregnancy to me. Both are preventable.
This has been going on since the Army opened most fields to women in the 70s. Its always been an ill kept secret that women who didnt like where they happened to have landed could get pregnant and sent home. Desert Shield/Storm saw much of this too.
But hey, it comes with diversity and nothing can impede that.
You’re not thinking along the right lines. This is a trial balloon being floated by a general in a combat zone (meaning his actions will be taken more seriously) on behalf of the Pentagon Politicians. The Navy is about to put females on submarines for the first time. Pregnancies are already rampant in the Navy. It’s in the military’s interests to deal with the unequal treatment of soldiers more effectively.
This general is “walking point” on a very important issue.
I am not in the military. The last generation of military men in my family served honorably in Korea (my grandfather). My cousin (a woman) served the USAF in Afghanistan as an MP. I think this policy is a good thing, and I agree with you, Redeye, that voluntarily preventable situations should be punished if they impede your job.
That being said, this PC nonsense seems to have started when women were allowed into the military, and now that they’re in there, likely looking for a hubby or an education, they’re getting pregnant and shipped home. Like one of the commenters to the article said, these women are getting high-dollar educations (i.e. nuclear engineering), then getting knocked up and sent home, only to make scads more money in the private sector, and all thanks to your tax dollars!
Sunburns, pregnancies, whatever... if you can’t do your job, you should be fired. Makes perfect sense to me. You’re not in the military to put your heels behind your ears, you’re there to protect the United States of America. Act like it!
I hate diversity!!! My son is enlisting in the Marines today, he has to go to Alabama because GA is 2 yrs. ahead in numbers, 1 yr. wait to go to bootcamp. However, there are still available slots if you are a woman or a minority, in which case they take you immediately.
So, we have people wanting to serve, yet, they are pushed back to meet a quota. Makes me feel so good about national security.
Back in the 80’s when I was in it seemed like every other roommate I had ended up pregnant. They got over big time.
so now pregnancy is a crime...
This is nothing new.
1991, I saw more than a few female soldiers court martialed and discharged for getting pregnant in the combat zone. I knew one of the personally (but not biblically).
Never saw the male soldier that done the pregnatin’ charged, though.
What's the answer? I don't know. Issue "the pill" monthly and a box of condoms to each?
Like I said, I’ve never been in the military. I don’t know what shore leaves and R&R generally look like, and I make no claims to the contrary.
The argument here, however, is that they shouldn’t get knocked up when they’re on duty, and likewise, that applies to life. I know plenty of young women who got knocked up but “didn’t mean it.” Well, the fact remains you ARE, and you should care for that child and his/her future.
An abortion is between you, God, and the Lake of Fire.
It should be that way from the day you sign those papers. If you want kids do it after your enlistment.
Just about an understatement.
I believe you need to change that screen name to NotThinking.
The year is 2009, it is modern times, we have something called Norplant today, once implanted it lasts up to about five years and should be a mandatory part of womens enlistment health procedures.
Procreation is a natural function. Sex is a natural function. Are we going to regulate urination next?
Sex, the ability to do the act, is controlled by humans, you are NEVER forced by autonomic response to become aroused AND perform the act. If it could not be controlled, rape wouldn't be a crime.
It’s about time...
In my ADA battery in '77, we had more than a few soldiers shave their heads. I told the men in my platoon that if they got sunburned and couldn't perform their duties, the BC had no problems with going the Article 15 route.
It was Germany...during the winter...LOL! The troops did take notice when we shipped a couple of problem children off to our sister battalion. This battalion was attached to the Big Red One, and averaged 6-8 months per year in the field.
My unit was air base defense, and housed on an air force base, and all the comfort that implied.
That got their attention much more than the threat of an Article 15.
There should be no difference if it is a sunburn or a pregnancy to me. Both are preventable.
One more motivation for the young woman to get an abortion. Great rule. Maybe they can have it performed by military docs too. (not currently)
having an abortion put one hors de combat for a period of time just like a sunburn. Same punishment applies. You are hired for a service. If you cannot perform that service...Don't enlist! It is voluntary (unlike when I served).
I was not aware that having an abortion caused a woman to miss even a day of work.
BTW, I do think it is criminal the way women are dismissed without penalty upon becoming pregnant. I saw it in the 70s all too often. I think the Article 15; deferred pay, extra duty, should be used, the pregnant woman carries the baby at the job site until delivery and ships the baby home to be cared for by her/his family until she is discharged at the end of her commitment. Better yet, after the Article 15 for both the father and mother, her Dad insists the CO presides at their wedding! Let’s call it a “Trench Gun Wedding”.
The simple fact is, and always has been, like it or not, when you are in the military you are effectively the property of the US Government. Sounds harsh, but as far as practicle application its pretty true.
I beg to differ, but sexual arousal IS controlled by both the sympathetic (adrenergic) and the parasympathetic (muscarinic) nervous systems, which are subsystems of the autonomic nervous system.
Sex is a natural function.
I am all for what this general is proposing. Pregnancy is devastating to our military's readiness, because for those women who cannot deploy due to pregnancy, it means other members who have already done their time have to fill the void. That means they get shafted, and their own families suffer. It isn't fair, and it isn't right.
The Navy has the worst stats on pregnancy, according to the latest issue in the Military Times.
Casey is a buffoon, and I mentioned him as the classic "PC" general who is part of the problem.
you missed the point...the irony of my observation....
Oh I got your point OK. I was just adding my speculation that MG Cucolo is very likely to be doing Gen. Casey’s bidding on this. Casey wants somebody else to take the paper bullets on this, so he picked one of his field commanders to spring this initiative, IMO. I can think of a few female senators who are going to pitch a fit over this.
You quoted me: you are NEVER forced by autonomic response to become aroused...
The full quotation is:
you are NEVER forced by autonomic response to become aroused AND perform the act.
Do NOT miss the big AND in there.....