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General defends court martial for pregnant soldiers
BBC ^ | 12/21/2009 | BBC

Posted on 12/21/2009 3:42:35 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

A US Army general in northern Iraq has defended his decision to add pregnancy to the list of reasons a soldier under his command could face court martial. It is current army policy to send pregnant soldiers home, but Maj Gen Anthony Cucolo told the BBC he was losing people with critical skills. That was why the added deterrent of a possible court martial was needed, he said. The new policy applies both to female and male soldiers, even if married. The male sexual partners of female soldiers who get pregnant would also "face the consequences", he said. It is the first time the US Army has made pregnancy a punishable offence.

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1 posted on 12/21/2009 3:42:36 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

When I was in the military, it was a punishable offense if a sunburn “kept a person from normal assigned duty”. Pregnancy certainly does that also. The military hires a person to do a job. If that person does something to keep them from doing that job a punishment is only logical. There should be no difference if it is a sunburn or a pregnancy to me. Both are preventable.


2 posted on 12/21/2009 4:13:32 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I am sure General George "Diversity is More Important than Soldier's Lives and Safety" Casey is not going to approve.


3 posted on 12/21/2009 4:14:01 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
So, getting knocked up is the female "million dollar wound" I.E. the one that gets you shipped out of a combat zone?

CC

4 posted on 12/21/2009 4:16:21 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists")
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To: Celtic Conservative

This has been going on since the Army opened most fields to women in the 70s. Its always been an ill kept secret that women who didnt like where they happened to have landed could get pregnant and sent home. Desert Shield/Storm saw much of this too.

But hey, it comes with diversity and nothing can impede that.


5 posted on 12/21/2009 4:33:34 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: SkyPilot

You’re not thinking along the right lines. This is a trial balloon being floated by a general in a combat zone (meaning his actions will be taken more seriously) on behalf of the Pentagon Politicians. The Navy is about to put females on submarines for the first time. Pregnancies are already rampant in the Navy. It’s in the military’s interests to deal with the unequal treatment of soldiers more effectively.

This general is “walking point” on a very important issue.


6 posted on 12/21/2009 4:52:11 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: TexasRedeye

I am not in the military. The last generation of military men in my family served honorably in Korea (my grandfather). My cousin (a woman) served the USAF in Afghanistan as an MP. I think this policy is a good thing, and I agree with you, Redeye, that voluntarily preventable situations should be punished if they impede your job.

That being said, this PC nonsense seems to have started when women were allowed into the military, and now that they’re in there, likely looking for a hubby or an education, they’re getting pregnant and shipped home. Like one of the commenters to the article said, these women are getting high-dollar educations (i.e. nuclear engineering), then getting knocked up and sent home, only to make scads more money in the private sector, and all thanks to your tax dollars!

Sunburns, pregnancies, whatever... if you can’t do your job, you should be fired. Makes perfect sense to me. You’re not in the military to put your heels behind your ears, you’re there to protect the United States of America. Act like it!


7 posted on 12/21/2009 4:54:15 AM PST by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

I hate diversity!!! My son is enlisting in the Marines today, he has to go to Alabama because GA is 2 yrs. ahead in numbers, 1 yr. wait to go to bootcamp. However, there are still available slots if you are a woman or a minority, in which case they take you immediately.

So, we have people wanting to serve, yet, they are pushed back to meet a quota. Makes me feel so good about national security.


8 posted on 12/21/2009 5:06:48 AM PST by panthermom
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Back in the 80’s when I was in it seemed like every other roommate I had ended up pregnant. They got over big time.


9 posted on 12/21/2009 5:09:37 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

so now pregnancy is a crime...


10 posted on 12/21/2009 5:21:57 AM PST by thinking
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

This is nothing new.
1991, I saw more than a few female soldiers court martialed and discharged for getting pregnant in the combat zone. I knew one of the personally (but not biblically).

Never saw the male soldier that done the pregnatin’ charged, though.


11 posted on 12/21/2009 5:25:28 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: rarestia
On the other hand, back when I was in the Navy, it was a given that when we anchored everyone would go boink the natives. "Boys will be boys" attitude. Should we expect our female soldiers to be somehow immune to the same stresses arising from being away and alone?

What's the answer? I don't know. Issue "the pill" monthly and a box of condoms to each?

12 posted on 12/21/2009 5:26:54 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Enosh

Like I said, I’ve never been in the military. I don’t know what shore leaves and R&R generally look like, and I make no claims to the contrary.

The argument here, however, is that they shouldn’t get knocked up when they’re on duty, and likewise, that applies to life. I know plenty of young women who got knocked up but “didn’t mean it.” Well, the fact remains you ARE, and you should care for that child and his/her future.

An abortion is between you, God, and the Lake of Fire.


13 posted on 12/21/2009 5:35:06 AM PST by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The new policy applies both to female and male soldiers, even if married. The male sexual partners of female soldiers who get pregnant would also "face the consequences", he said. It is the first time the US Army has made pregnancy a punishable offence.

It should be that way from the day you sign those papers. If you want kids do it after your enlistment.

14 posted on 12/21/2009 5:41:26 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Tallguy
Pregnancies are already rampant in the Navy.

Just about an understatement.

15 posted on 12/21/2009 5:42:57 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: thinking
so now pregnancy is a crime...

I believe you need to change that screen name to NotThinking.

16 posted on 12/21/2009 5:45:09 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Enosh

The year is 2009, it is modern times, we have something called Norplant today, once implanted it lasts up to about five years and should be a mandatory part of womens enlistment health procedures.


17 posted on 12/21/2009 5:48:59 AM PST by org.whodat
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Maj. Gen. Cucolo is off the deep end and falling back on Bosnia-style GO1 crap. The conflict in Iraq is drawing down. We'll be out by the end of 2011 (as projected by the current security agreement).

Procreation is a natural function. Sex is a natural function. Are we going to regulate urination next?

18 posted on 12/21/2009 5:51:40 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: thinking
so now pregnancy is a crime... No, failure to follow orders such as, no sex in a combat zone, and maintaining your physical fitness at a readiness level applicable to combat are the crime. Pregnancy is the proof.
19 posted on 12/21/2009 5:56:47 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Sarajevo
Procreation is a natural function. Sex is a natural function. Are we going to regulate urination next?

Sex, the ability to do the act, is controlled by humans, you are NEVER forced by autonomic response to become aroused AND perform the act. If it could not be controlled, rape wouldn't be a crime.

20 posted on 12/21/2009 6:00:08 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

It’s about time...


21 posted on 12/21/2009 6:18:37 AM PST by Gritty (It's no longer a game. People will die because of actions taken by this country's leftists-JR Dunn)
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To: TexasRedeye
When I was in the military, it was a punishable offense if a sunburn “kept a person from normal assigned duty”.

In my ADA battery in '77, we had more than a few soldiers shave their heads. I told the men in my platoon that if they got sunburned and couldn't perform their duties, the BC had no problems with going the Article 15 route.

It was Germany...during the winter...LOL! The troops did take notice when we shipped a couple of problem children off to our sister battalion. This battalion was attached to the Big Red One, and averaged 6-8 months per year in the field.

My unit was air base defense, and housed on an air force base, and all the comfort that implied.

That got their attention much more than the threat of an Article 15.

22 posted on 12/21/2009 6:21:18 AM PST by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: TexasRedeye

There should be no difference if it is a sunburn or a pregnancy to me. Both are preventable.

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One more motivation for the young woman to get an abortion. Great rule. Maybe they can have it performed by military docs too. (not currently)


23 posted on 12/21/2009 8:01:08 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( What happened to my tag line?)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
One more motivation for the young woman to get an abortion.

having an abortion put one hors de combat for a period of time just like a sunburn. Same punishment applies. You are hired for a service. If you cannot perform that service...Don't enlist! It is voluntary (unlike when I served).

24 posted on 12/21/2009 8:09:14 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: TexasRedeye

I was not aware that having an abortion caused a woman to miss even a day of work.

BTW, I do think it is criminal the way women are dismissed without penalty upon becoming pregnant. I saw it in the 70s all too often. I think the Article 15; deferred pay, extra duty, should be used, the pregnant woman carries the baby at the job site until delivery and ships the baby home to be cared for by her/his family until she is discharged at the end of her commitment. Better yet, after the Article 15 for both the father and mother, her Dad insists the CO presides at their wedding! Let’s call it a “Trench Gun Wedding”.


25 posted on 12/21/2009 8:23:06 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian ( What happened to my tag line?)
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To: TexasRedeye

The simple fact is, and always has been, like it or not, when you are in the military you are effectively the property of the US Government. Sounds harsh, but as far as practicle application its pretty true.


26 posted on 12/21/2009 8:26:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: American_Centurion
you are NEVER forced by autonomic response to become aroused

I beg to differ, but sexual arousal IS controlled by both the sympathetic (adrenergic) and the parasympathetic (muscarinic) nervous systems, which are subsystems of the autonomic nervous system.

Sex is a natural function.

27 posted on 12/21/2009 9:07:23 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Tallguy
It think you misunderstood my sarcasm.

I am all for what this general is proposing. Pregnancy is devastating to our military's readiness, because for those women who cannot deploy due to pregnancy, it means other members who have already done their time have to fill the void. That means they get shafted, and their own families suffer. It isn't fair, and it isn't right.

The Navy has the worst stats on pregnancy, according to the latest issue in the Military Times.

Casey is a buffoon, and I mentioned him as the classic "PC" general who is part of the problem.

28 posted on 12/21/2009 10:21:37 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: org.whodat

you missed the point...the irony of my observation....


29 posted on 12/21/2009 10:28:08 AM PST by thinking
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To: SkyPilot

Oh I got your point OK. I was just adding my speculation that MG Cucolo is very likely to be doing Gen. Casey’s bidding on this. Casey wants somebody else to take the paper bullets on this, so he picked one of his field commanders to spring this initiative, IMO. I can think of a few female senators who are going to pitch a fit over this.


30 posted on 12/21/2009 11:16:26 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Sarajevo

You quoted me: you are NEVER forced by autonomic response to become aroused...

The full quotation is:

you are NEVER forced by autonomic response to become aroused AND perform the act.

Do NOT miss the big AND in there.....


31 posted on 12/21/2009 6:05:23 PM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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