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Can Sarah Palin lead US Republicans to victory?
ABC ^ | 12-21-09 | Michael Brissenden

Posted on 12/21/2009 2:10:35 PM PST by euram

The expansive asphalt parking lot in Fair Lakes Shopping Center in Fairfax Virginia was full and there wasn't a single Prius in sight. This is SUV territory and the campaign sticker on the back window of one big Ford summed up the mood: a play on the Obama campaign mantra of hope, this one said simply - "Nope".

There are not too many Obama fans in Fairfax but there are hundreds of people prepared to line up for hours in the snow for a chance to meet the one political figure they believe might still be able to rescue the nation from "socialised medicine", "Liberal intellectuals" and "elitist" newspapers like the New York Times.

Sarah Palin's book Going Rogue is the publishing sensation of the moment here.

(Excerpt) Read more at abc.net.au ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; obamacare; palin; palin2012; sarahpalin
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat

I like her but she has some explaining to do about her resignation motivation/strange resignation speech. Also, after eight years of a nonarticulate non conservative (W. Bush), I suggest a solid conservative with oratory skills. Of course, I have zero ideas as to who that might be. I don’t think Pawlenty, Romney, Gingrich, or Huckabee are it. We’ll also need someone who can deliver states like New Mexico, New Hampshire, and Colorado.


51 posted on 12/21/2009 3:00:27 PM PST by discomatic
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To: SmokingJoe
"What a load of rubbish!"

It's delusional to believe that Palin doesn't face a strong headwind. The fact of the matter is while she's incredibly popular with the base, especially social conservatives, she does have a "Dan Quayle" problem with the general electorate.

For a Republican to win back the White House from Obama, they're going to have to do better with independents and moderates than they have ever done in the past. This is because the blacks and the Hispanics won't abandon Obama. Whomever is the nominee, including Palin, will have to be polling north of 58% of Independents to beat Obama. It's a function of mathematics, nothing else.

52 posted on 12/21/2009 3:00:32 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: r9etb
I'll bet you sip your tea with your little pinky up in the air, don't you. I think her down-to-earth demeanor is just what this country needs to bring it back to reality. The tea partyers were real people-not tea sipping a—hole pseudo intellectuals who are not in touch with the average American and actually look down upon them. Look how the tea party candidate compares in polls against the Democrat and Republican candidates.
53 posted on 12/21/2009 3:01:36 PM PST by liberalcide1
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To: OldDeckHand

“As difficult as it is for some to admit, the establishment doesn’t select the party nominee. The voters do that.”

No, they don’t. I would have voted for Romney last time, but he wasn’t on the ticket by the time it got to Mississippi. A few states make the choice. The system is flawed. Big time.


54 posted on 12/21/2009 3:02:18 PM PST by Lower55
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To: OldDeckHand

I could care less how a President speaks, it is what he says that matters. It is if he is honest and moral that matters. Smooth talk got us the Communist in the White House. He speaks well but he lies everytime he opens his mouth. Much rather someone who speaks the truth and walks the walk. I think most Americans would agree.


55 posted on 12/21/2009 3:02:18 PM PST by Josephat
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To: boycott

Are you kidding? Obama is toast! He won’t even be able to take the Democratic nomination.

No doubt Palin has been damaged by the media, but in 3 years ~ if BO is even still the president ~ the American public will be begging for anybody who is NOT Barack Obama!!

Seriously, can you imagine a debate between Palin and Obama?? The country may actually be broke by November 2011. What will Obama say when the questions aren’t offered by hack plants?

How can the media run the spin cycle about the economy getting better when we’re all unemployed?? When the military has been badly damaged by Obama’s policies? What if there is another terrorist attack on our soil and it is worse than Ft. Hood? Seems plausible in the next 3 years.

I’ll tell you right now, I’d vote for Romney, Huckabee,... heck, I’d even vote for Tim Pawlenty, if he were running against Obama.

Hopefully it don’t come that. I hope the traitor and his minions are removed from office.

If Palin is so damaged that her ability to be elected cost us the presidency in 2012, I have little doubt that she would be the first person to take herself out of the race.

As of now, I like Mike Pence, I like Bachmann and I like Palin ~ and I like any of their chances in a campaign against Barack Hussien Obama.


56 posted on 12/21/2009 3:03:30 PM PST by incredulous joe ("I like smiling! Smiling is my favorite!!")
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To: euram

That is the $64,000 question, is it not?


57 posted on 12/21/2009 3:04:26 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: latina4dubya
i doubt it...”

Of course she can. No one energizes Republican voters like Sarah Palin does, plus she is now running 50/50 amongst independents. That's all she would need to win.
After this healthcare abomination, 0bama is finished for 2012 anyway.

58 posted on 12/21/2009 3:04:57 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
"We have a guy who has been hailed by the State Run Media as the “greatest orator ever” sitting in the White House right now, and how is he turning out for ya?"

Have you ever heard the phrase, don't count your chickens before they hatch? Even after the wave of Republican resurgence in '94 and approval rating in the 30s, Clinton was EASILY reelected precisely because he was persuasive and eloquent.

Effective extemporaneous communication skills are never a bad thing in a presidential candidate.

59 posted on 12/21/2009 3:05:49 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: euram

How about leading Americans to victory as the head of a Conservative third party?


60 posted on 12/21/2009 3:05:55 PM PST by IbJensen (A Prayer for Obama (Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: discomatic
I like her but she has some explaining to do about her resignation motivation/strange resignation speech’

Explaining to do to who?
You?
She don't owe you ZILCH!
Read her book, like over a million people already have and read why she had to resign. As a result, her poll numbers shot up.

61 posted on 12/21/2009 3:07:51 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: boycott; jrg
Thanks for the usual liberal talking points guys.

62 posted on 12/21/2009 3:09:15 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: StAthanasiustheGreat
a lot of Republicans

So you believe the liberal polls that are telling you what 'they' want. Buy a clue.
63 posted on 12/21/2009 3:11:10 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Lower55
"I would have voted for Romney last time, but he wasn’t on the ticket by the time it got to Mississippi. A few states make the choice."

Romney didn't drop out of the race until McCain had 573 electors, just about 200 short of what he needed to clinch the nomination. I think Romney had less than 150, perhaps even less than a 100. Romney dropped out because he was - for all practical consideration - eliminated from contention.

I'm assuming the MS primary came after Super Tuesday and Romney's exit from the race. If it did, and you still would have had the opportunity to vote for him, it wouldn't have changed the mathematical inevitability of McCain's win.

Voters DO select the nominees, primarily because of changes that have been made to the nominating process the last 45 years. I can't remember the last time we had a nominee who didn't win the most delegates.

64 posted on 12/21/2009 3:16:31 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: varina davis

Great idea. I would agree with a Sara and Rubio ticket. We keep trying to place moderates and people with “broad appeal”. We are seeing that a real conservative gets more broad appeal that trying to cater to the mythical masses.


65 posted on 12/21/2009 3:18:37 PM PST by DawnPatrolGuy
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To: OldDeckHand
Have you ever heard the phrase, don't count your chickens before they hatch?”

Way to bait and switch.
Nice one.
This is what you said, and I quote:
“Or, would you prefer to have someone who speaks much more eloquently and persuasively than the average American, especially considering how critical effective communication skills are in that job?”

You were in effect saying that we need someone who is a great orator to be president, so I asked you how the guy who is the “greatest orator ever” working out as president?
0bama is the biggest disaster ever to have hit this country.
So much for yours theory about this country needing a “great orator” to govern us. It's all empty talk, and no substance.

Even after the wave of Republican resurgence in ‘94 and approval rating in the 30s, Clinton was EASILY reelected precisely because he was persuasive and eloquent”

You left out one little detail.
As Dick Morris(who was Clinton's top aide), pointed out, Clinton was elected with 42% of the vote, yet after one year in office, Clinton was polling at 56% approval rating, that is a net gain of +14%.
(Video here)
http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/12/dick-morris-says-republican-tsunami-is.html

0bama on the other hand, was elected with 53% of the vote, yet today he is poling at only 46% in the latest Rasmussen polls, that is a net loss of -7%.
0bozo is doing FAR WORSE than Clinton was, 11% worse as a matter of fact. That kind of approval gap spells disaster for the Kenyan.

66 posted on 12/21/2009 3:19:48 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: OldDeckHand; All
I don't want an average American running the country. I want an exceptional American with exceptional skills and extraordinary abilities at the helm, especially while in stormy seas. I suspect I won't be alone in 2012.

You want Adlai Stevenson.

And my surgeon, lawyer and account are all average Americans and talk like me.

Elitism at its worst, right here on this very thread.

67 posted on 12/21/2009 3:20:48 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Dead Corpse

You can count on a couple of more from NH.


68 posted on 12/21/2009 3:21:04 PM PST by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: jrg
I believe that she is as polarizing to them as Hitlery is to us.

Since ANY Republican canidate will be that polarizing to them (Jeez, they had a problem with McCain, for crying out loud) might as well put up a good one. GO Sarah!

69 posted on 12/21/2009 3:21:44 PM PST by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: discomatic
I like her but she has some explaining to do about her resignation motivation/strange resignation speech.

I take it you never even bothered to read her speech or even her book. And your sign-up date is very interesting.

70 posted on 12/21/2009 3:23:33 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: SmokingJoe

If she wants my vote, then she owes me. The left blindly lined up behind a hyped-up candidate who had written a few books and had done not much else. I’m not saying that she isn’t the one, but we, the thinkers, shouldn’t get caught up in an emotional wave of appeal over substance.


71 posted on 12/21/2009 3:24:07 PM PST by discomatic
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To: euram
There are not too many Obama fans in Fairfax

The writer is a moron. There were plenty of Obama fans in Fairfax....it's a Dem county and went for him big in 2008.

72 posted on 12/21/2009 3:24:09 PM PST by BlueCat
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To: presently no screen name

Well, if Rasmussen is liberal, then yes. Rasmussen has had Huckabee with the strongest results, though, that pre-dated the recent Washington and Clemency Issues. I also don’t consider FOX News polls liberal (though they are in the tank for Huckabee).


73 posted on 12/21/2009 3:24:38 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: Josephat
"I could care less how a President speaks, it is what he says that matters. It is if he is honest and moral that matters.

Well, not to put words in your mouth, but I believe you mean you could NOT care less how a President speaks.

Be that as it may, I would respond by saying, "Good for you". But, as a political reality, the rest of the country - the people who actually elect Presidents - do seem to care about a Presidents ability to effectively communicate.

"He speaks well but he lies everytime he opens his mouth. Much rather someone who speaks the truth and walks the walk. I think most Americans would agree."

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying - for lying. And yet, he enjoyed an approval rating in excess of 60% when he left office. Most polling I've seen says that he would have easily won a third term, if he'd been allowed to run.

Bill Clinton was the poster-child for slick mendacious politicians. And yet, he's still incredibly popular. Voters like politicians who speak well. They tend to not like voter's who don't speak well. It's just a political reality.

74 posted on 12/21/2009 3:25:55 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Clinton was barely reelected—because Dole was a poor candidate and also that nut from Texas (forgot his name) was able to garner a large third-party vote. Clinton and his wife were and are unusually good liars and they had a fawning press. Do you want another liar like Clinton—maybe you do.


75 posted on 12/21/2009 3:27:14 PM PST by liberalcide1
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To: OldDeckHand
It's delusional to believe that Palin doesn't face a strong headwind.”

Every presidential candidate faces a though fight to the White House. Its the path to being the most powerful person on the planet.

The fact of the matter is while she's incredibly popular with the base, especially social conservatives, she does have a “Dan Quayle” problem with the general electorate.”

It's incredibly STUPID to even attempt to compare Sarah Palin to Dan Quayle. That particular piece of nonsense has been taken apart over and over and over gain on this site, and proven REPEATEDLY to be false, and without merit, yet like some demented fanatic, you keep dragging it up again anyways. The last thing you are interested in, is to face the reality of the FACTS and what the polls are telling you.

76 posted on 12/21/2009 3:27:43 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: RoadTest
Don’t worry. The next election is already over. Absent complete fraud and/or amnesty the dims are finished. Ditto for 2012 unless the pubbies act like dims which they won’t. The Propanganda Media will be irrelevent.
77 posted on 12/21/2009 3:29:22 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: SmokingJoe
Bill Clinton was re-elected in '96 because the GOP '94 congressional victory forced Clinton to the middle, Dick Morris's triangulation strategy got Clinton signed up for bipartisan welfare reform, and the economy was decent. Simple as that.

Then, of course, there was Clinton's charismatic opponent, John McCain's cousin Bob Dole. LOL.

78 posted on 12/21/2009 3:29:36 PM PST by Al B. (Sarah Palin: Government "can't make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise".)
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To: SmokingJoe; r9etb
Why do you insist on pushing this loony left garbage on his site?

That's what 'it' does. Palin threads bring 'it' out of comatose.
79 posted on 12/21/2009 3:30:05 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Adlai Stevenson...groan. Unfortunately, I actually remember him. :)


80 posted on 12/21/2009 3:31:17 PM PST by Al B. (Sarah Palin: Government "can't make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise".)
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To: discomatic
If she wants my vote, then she owes me”

She owes you NUTHIN’!
No one can win the vote of everyone. There will always be millions of hard core bottom feeders who will vote for 0bozo anyways, the same kinds of people, who refuse to even acknowledge the perfectly legitimate reasons she has already given in her book about why she had to resign.
Again, you are getting NOTHING from her. You know what you can do with that vote of yours.

81 posted on 12/21/2009 3:32:05 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
"so I asked you how the guy who is the “greatest orator ever” working out as president?"

Says who? I think Obama is a HORRIBLE speaker, especially without a script. He stammers, he hesitates and wanders and he's not compelling.

"You left out one little detail."

And you left out a little detail. Clinton's approval rating TANKED after his first year in office. What a short memory we have. Here's the proof...

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Bill Clinton

Shortly after the first of the yaar - 1994 - Clinton plummeted from right around 60% to 39%, leading to the GOP sweep in the fall of '94.

Here's a hint - Don't listen to anything Dickie Morris has to say. He's never missed an opportunity to be wrong.

82 posted on 12/21/2009 3:33:48 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Since you work so hard to tear down the republican with the highest approval ratings, and our only conservative at the top, who did you sign up to promote here?


83 posted on 12/21/2009 3:34:10 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative warrior.)
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To: liberalcide1
"Do you want another liar like Clinton—maybe you do."

What an insanely illogical statement.

84 posted on 12/21/2009 3:36:29 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
No one had heard of Barack Obama in the late summer of 2004.

And THAT'S a good thing?
85 posted on 12/21/2009 3:36:33 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: ansel12
"Since you work so hard to tear down the republican with the highest approval ratings, and our only conservative at the top, who did you sign up to promote here?"

Winners. Not quitters.

86 posted on 12/21/2009 3:37:14 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: presently no screen name
"And THAT'S a good thing? "

No sport. It's a political reality. Try to keep up.

87 posted on 12/21/2009 3:38:05 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: euram
Isn’t this how it works? Cast public doubt and then rig the out come of the vote. The election process in the US has been working like that for years. It allows the elite to have their way and the peons, though disappointed, are kept at bay until the next election charade.
88 posted on 12/21/2009 3:38:34 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Al B.
Bill Clinton was re-elected in ‘96 because the GOP ‘94 congressional victory forced Clinton to the middle, Dick Morris's triangulation strategy got Clinton signed up for bipartisan welfare reform, and the economy was decent. Simple as that.
Then, of course, there was Clinton's charismatic opponent, John McCain's cousin Bob Dole. LOL.”

Yes.
On top of that, Clinton was still at 56% approval after his first year. 0bozo is already hitting between 44 and 46% approval the end of his first year. He is running at over 10% lower in approval ratings than Clinton did at the end of his first year. That doesn't bode well for 0bozo.
Like you pointed out, if 0bozo then has to face a highly charismatic figure like Sarah Palin in 2012, as compared to the comatose Robert Dole that Clinton faced, 0bama is going to find out what a real fight is like.

89 posted on 12/21/2009 3:39:15 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: OldDeckHand; Virginia Ridgerunner
Do you want a surgeon, or a defense attorney or an accountant "who speaks like an average American"?

I don't care how my accountant speaks, but if I am looking for a conservative leader then I want someone that has the charisma and speaking ability that can enable them to draw the voters to them and beat the entire media in a one on one game of head to head.

It is no wonder that Governor Palin was the most popular elected official in the nation and the most popular Governor in America, she persuades people to her side.

90 posted on 12/21/2009 3:40:09 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative warrior.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Palin does win and you did not name who you signed up for, on who’s behalf you work the Palin threads, trying to knock out our leading conservative.


91 posted on 12/21/2009 3:43:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative warrior.)
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To: euram

Yeah. If we get rid of voter fraud and somehow get the media to start telling the truth.


92 posted on 12/21/2009 3:43:27 PM PST by RedwM
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To: zeebee
Reagan was only polarizing after he was elected and the libs needed a straw man. Palin is polarizing now.

You must have lived through a different set of elections than I lived through. The lying Dim bastards did everything they could to destroy Regan. Including using television camera techniques to make it seem Regan had no crowds while falsely showing Carter with no crowds.

93 posted on 12/21/2009 3:44:25 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: ansel12
"It is no wonder that Governor Palin was the most popular elected official in the nation and the most popular Governor in America, she persuades people to her side."

I believe the operative word in your statement is "was". Her popularity dropped precipitously after her failed VP bid. I believe she had fallen to the mid-fifties shortly before her resignation as governor; an approval rating in the fifties for a Republican governor in a very red state, isn't all that remarkable.

94 posted on 12/21/2009 3:44:47 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: zeebee
Reagan was only polarizing after he was elected and the libs needed a straw man. Palin is polarizing now.

Polarizing politicians do not have 93% approval ratings while governing. Palin is a uniter, that is why her numbers climb when the public sees her.

95 posted on 12/21/2009 3:47:19 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative warrior.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Says who? I think Obama is a HORRIBLE speaker, especially without a script”

I agree.
Read what I said. I said the State Run Media have hailed 0bama as the “greatest orator ever”. That means plenty of Americans bought that in 2008.

And you left out a little detail. Clinton's approval rating TANKED after his first year in office”

I forgot nothing.
I am talking about Clinton's approval ratings at this same time, December, and comparing it to 0bozo’s ratings RIGHT NOW in December, which Dick Morris did right here, in this video:
http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/12/dick-morris-says-republican-tsunami-is.html

He should know what he's talking about.
We can't compare what happens ater his first year, because 0bama won't even finish his first year till January 2010.

96 posted on 12/21/2009 3:47:19 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: ansel12
"Palin does win and you did not name who you signed up for, on who’s behalf you work the Palin threads, trying to knock out our leading conservative."

This is the grotesque arrogance of the Palinphiles that is most obnoxious. Here's the game they play - if someone belives Palin to be a flawed candidate, then that person must be in league with Satan himself.

It's ridiculous and incredibly intellectually shallow - which of course explains your fascination with Palin.

There are DOZENS of quality conservative Republicans out there. There's no need to hitch a wagon to any of them this far out - as anyone who supported Sanford can attest to.

97 posted on 12/21/2009 3:49:17 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
It's a political reality. Try to keep up

YOU keep up chump! "They" have you believing it! You're a defeatist; not a Patriot trait.
98 posted on 12/21/2009 3:49:47 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: SmokingJoe
The GOP has another smooth talker waiting in the wings, Slick Willard Romney. The establishment wants him bad, so it's gonna be a fight for the nomination.

Having conservative supporters like Jim DeMint, who says Mittens "lights up a room" doesn't help. I hope people like DeMint come to their senses between now and 2012. Conservatives need all hands on deck.

99 posted on 12/21/2009 3:50:20 PM PST by Al B. (Sarah Palin: Government "can't make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise".)
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To: presently no screen name
"YOU keep up chump! "They" have you believing it! You're a defeatist; not a Patriot trait.

Typical retort of a Palin sychophant, acting like a teenage girl who just got rejected from the Shawn Cassidy fan club. Very becoming /s

100 posted on 12/21/2009 3:52:38 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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