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Despite recession, crime keeps falling
AP via google ^ | 12-21-09 | DEVLIN BARRETT

Posted on 12/21/2009 4:07:19 PM PST by TaxPayer2000

Despite recession, crime keeps falling By DEVLIN BARRETT (AP) – 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — High unemployment. More folks on food stamps. Fewer owning their homes. Yet for all the signs of recession, something is missing: More crime.

Experts are scratching their heads over why crime has ebbed so far during this recession, making it different from other economic downturns of the past half-century. Early guesses include jobless folks at home keeping closer watch for thieves, or the American population just getting older_ and older people commit fewer crimes.

Preliminary FBI crime figures for the first half of 2009 show crime falling across the country, even at a time of high unemployment, foreclosures and layoffs. Most surprisingly, murder and manslaughter fell 10 percent for the first half of the year.

"That's a remarkable decline, given the economic conditions," said Richard Rosenfeld, a sociologist at the University of Missouri-St. Louis who has studied crime trends.

Rosenfeld said he did not expect the 10 percent drop in killings to be sustained over the entire year, as more data is reported. But he said the broad declines are exceptional, given that past recessions stretching back to the 1950's have boosted crime rates.

Bill Bratton, the former chief of the Los Angeles Police Department, said the decrease comes from major police departments closely tracking developing crime patterns.

"Police have gotten much better at analyzing numbers and responding quickly," said Bratton, now chairman of Altegrity Security Consulting, a private security firm based in Virginia. "Los Angeles has been in an economic downturn almost two years ahead of the country and is now in its eighth straight year of crime decline."

In times of recession, property crimes, in particular, are expected to rise.

They haven't.

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"The popular wisdom is wrong," said Fox. "If a law-abiding citizen loses their job, they don't typically go on a crime spree."
1 posted on 12/21/2009 4:07:19 PM PST by TaxPayer2000
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To: TaxPayer2000

I guess even criminals are facing the hard times of the recession. :)


2 posted on 12/21/2009 4:08:33 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Death Penalty For Bunny Rabbits!)
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To: TaxPayer2000

..."no mention of the great increase of people purchasing guns and ammo eh?"

3 posted on 12/21/2009 4:10:44 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: TaxPayer2000

I’m thinking less cops, more PC BS that makes it harder to arrest criminals is really the factor here.


4 posted on 12/21/2009 4:11:40 PM PST by vpintheak (How can love of God, Family and Country make me an extremist?)
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To: TaxPayer2000

FBI is cooking the books.


5 posted on 12/21/2009 4:12:55 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: TaxPayer2000

More guns - less crime. And there’s a LOT more guns - citizens are fighting back - when criminals are shot there’s cheering...


6 posted on 12/21/2009 4:13:18 PM PST by GOPJ (Journalists as BaghdadBobLite - Global Warming Scientists as ElmerGantry - what's happening?)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Yes, article is bull. Atlanta is nonstop criminal activity.
Young gangs are stealing, smashing in stores, assaults
are always going on, home invasions happen all the time.
it is unbelievable.


7 posted on 12/21/2009 4:15:52 PM PST by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: TaxPayer2000
This might be due to all the firearms and ammunition sale since the election.

The criminals may be smarter than the politicians.

Oh, wait the politicians are criminals, never mind.

8 posted on 12/21/2009 4:17:07 PM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: Ptarmigan
I guess even criminals are facing the hard times of the recession.

Not around here!

  1. Murders
  2. Bank robberies
  3. Convience store robberies
  4. Coffee shop robberies
  5. Drugstore robberies
  6. Home invasions
Employment in the crime syndicate is looking up, with more crimes being committed than ever. However, the pay scale is quite dismal.
9 posted on 12/21/2009 4:17:50 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

All of the real criminals are busy working in the White House. Keeps them off the street.


10 posted on 12/21/2009 4:18:41 PM PST by steve7
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To: TaxPayer2000
“Rosenfeld said he did not expect the 10 percent drop in killings to be sustained over the entire year, as more data is reported.”

Why, does the market data suggest a production backlog. ;-)

11 posted on 12/21/2009 4:19:43 PM PST by Dem Guard
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To: TaxPayer2000
Many places are giving Boama award for causing the sale of 11,400,000 guns in one year. There are billions of bullets this year also.
12 posted on 12/21/2009 4:19:54 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Think of it as the false calm before the storm.


13 posted on 12/21/2009 4:20:32 PM PST by Lera
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To: TaxPayer2000

“Experts are scratching their heads over why crime has ebbed so far during this recession.”

Kids today just aren’t motivated to do anything anymore. ;-)


14 posted on 12/21/2009 4:21:09 PM PST by Dem Guard
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To: TaxPayer2000
I say it's because we as a society have stopped going to church, gosh darnit!

Priest outrages police by telling congregation: 'My advice to poor is to shoplift'

15 posted on 12/21/2009 4:21:20 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (What do the _hite House and I have in common? We're both missing W....)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Perhaps all that “medical marijuana” has caused criminals to lose their motivation...


16 posted on 12/21/2009 4:22:04 PM PST by monkeyshine
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Did they factor in all those unemployed folks, now home all day with nothing to do, cutting into potential burglars jobs?

Or maybe all those unemployed folks pawning and hocking all their stuff to survive, less stuff for the thieves to steal from the common folk...


17 posted on 12/21/2009 4:22:20 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: TaxPayer2000

All the criminals have been elected to Congress and the White House. Not to mention the judical system.


18 posted on 12/21/2009 4:22:27 PM PST by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: vpintheak
I’m thinking less cops, more PC BS that makes it harder to arrest criminals is really the factor here. Actually the number of cops has increased since the recession began. But, since most of them are out chasing folks for bad tail lights and "weaving", they are not catching any real criminals, just Grandma and Junior driving to and from the mall...
19 posted on 12/21/2009 4:24:34 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: TaxPayer2000
More Guns. Less Crime.
20 posted on 12/21/2009 4:25:09 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Lera
Think of it as the false calm before the storm.

I agree, many potential thugs are still scamming the system. Once that comes to halt and it will. Watch out

21 posted on 12/21/2009 4:25:46 PM PST by Popman (Election 2010: Congress: your pink slips are coming ............... :)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Many illegal aliens have gone home to the turd world hell holes they came from have helped drop the crime rate


22 posted on 12/21/2009 4:27:44 PM PST by Popman (Election 2010: Congress: your pink slips are coming ............... :)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Local Pols know how to game the system and not report crimes as crimes.

http://www.bloghouston.net/item/7072


23 posted on 12/21/2009 4:30:36 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: TaxPayer2000
Being poor does not equate to being a criminal; it did not happen during the last great depression and it will not happen during this new coming greater depression.
24 posted on 12/21/2009 4:35:30 PM PST by BillT (If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
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To: TaxPayer2000

It’s the faction of illegal aliens — lots of them have gone back to Mexico.


25 posted on 12/21/2009 4:36:52 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Our black President is quite blackmailable.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

How many illegals have returned to Mexico and Central America?


26 posted on 12/21/2009 4:36:59 PM PST by Melchior
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To: steve7
Post of the day! I would add the U.S Congress, and the and the legislatures of all 50 states.
27 posted on 12/21/2009 4:38:42 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Naturally, they never mention the increased levels of CCW and gun ownership being factors.


28 posted on 12/21/2009 4:42:38 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

If the leftist bean counters in the FBI intentionally made Bush look bad in 2008, then a return to regular accounting of crimes in 2009 would lead to a decline.

I suspect these numbers are politically motivated. There must be other State sources to compare against the FBI numbers.

After Climategate—no numbers can be trusted.


29 posted on 12/21/2009 4:56:36 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Ptarmigan

That or all the gun purchases in the past 18 months are also working to deter crime.


30 posted on 12/21/2009 5:02:16 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Kids today are too lazy to steal!


31 posted on 12/21/2009 5:08:14 PM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: Popman
Correct....illegals have gone back to mexico where the economy is better than the US. :)

Seriously, it is true in many border states which has dropped crime big time. I think more gun owners have helped too.

32 posted on 12/21/2009 5:29:54 PM PST by chiller ( ALMOST SPEECHLESS)
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To: chiller

....its hilarious in Phoenix to hear liberal city officials and media question why crime is down. None will admit Sheriff Joe has chased many illegals out of town, but none of the libs want to admit it.


33 posted on 12/21/2009 5:32:00 PM PST by chiller ( ALMOST SPEECHLESS)
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To: tbw2
"That or all the gun purchases in the past 18 months are also working to deter crime."

Yeah. Now that you mention it....

what a coinkydence.

34 posted on 12/21/2009 5:36:22 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: TaxPayer2000

And the poor criminals affected by the recession have to think about the continually rising proliferation of guns in houses and in waistbands. Those newspapers that self-righteously publish the lists of CCW holders with their addresses actually promote caution among the B&E crowd. It not only tells which houses to specifically avoid but it indicates neighborhoods that probably have more guns in more houses than are on the CCW lists.


35 posted on 12/21/2009 5:53:23 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believI really hate to in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: arthurus

Crips can’t afford the bullets?


36 posted on 12/21/2009 5:58:28 PM PST by DAC21
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To: TaxPayer2000
"The popular wisdom is wrong," said Fox. "If a law-abiding citizen loses their job, they don't typically go on a crime spree."

A weird statement. If a law-abiding citizen loses his (or her, if you must) job, not a single one of his multiple personalities goes on a crime spree?

If any of your multiple personalities gives in to the temptation to commit a crime, you (whoever you are right now) are not a law-abiding citizen?

37 posted on 12/21/2009 6:00:53 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: An Old Man

Speaking of that, our area has seen a rise of robberies.


38 posted on 12/21/2009 8:12:44 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Death Penalty For Bunny Rabbits!)
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To: Ptarmigan
We had two cops shot last night, and two roberies so far this morning.
39 posted on 12/22/2009 9:36:31 AM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: monkeyshine
Perhaps all that “medical marijuana” has caused criminals to lose their motivation

Actually, here in Colorado, the incidence of robberies of marijuana "dispensaries" has really been picking up. That, and the fact that we seem to be having bank robberies several times a week and the black on white hate attacks in Denver have also been rising makes me think that this report is bs.

40 posted on 12/22/2009 9:40:52 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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