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Health Care Not In Constitution
Tea Party Nexus ^ | December 24, 2009 | Staff

Posted on 12/24/2009 9:21:30 AM PST by raptor22

Self-Evident Truths: Sen. Dianne Feinstein says it comes under the Commerce Clause. Rep. Steny Hoyer says it's mandated by the "general welfare" clause. Despite liberal wishes, health care is not a right. The "living Constitution" that Democrats and their court appointees have given us may be the death of our freedoms. Their constitution adapts to the times and serves the whims of the elitists. The Constitution is supposed to limit government

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1 posted on 12/24/2009 9:21:31 AM PST by raptor22
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To: raptor22

The Constitution is a piece of paper, a thought, it has no power on its own, its authority is given by the people governed by it. Tyrants are now pushing the people around, taking their lunch money, and their Constitution and saying “whadaya gonna do about it kid.”

The Tea Party has thrown the first punch back but it wasn’t enough to scare the bully. Looks like its time to escalate.


2 posted on 12/24/2009 9:30:47 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: HerrBlucher

Who cares if it’s in the Constitution? What matters is that it is in the Congress.


3 posted on 12/24/2009 9:34:15 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: raptor22

The people who control this government (and the ones who put them in office) have no fealty to the the Constitution or the founding principles. It’s been a charade for many decades. The Executive and Legislative branches of our government are peopled with Marxists...pure and simple. Communist leaders long ago told us very plainly how they would take over, and they proceeded to do so right in front of our faces, and for all the (appropriate) agonizing about vile organizations like ACORN and SEIU, I will forever regard the NEA as the layer’s of the foundation of Socialist America. That in my view, is how they got us.


4 posted on 12/24/2009 9:37:19 AM PST by VR-21
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To: raptor22

Here is the Stupak “fly in the punchbowl”: “...or when the life of the mother is in danger.” Who is going to decide that? An abortionist. And who is going to argue with it? No one. This bill stinks, and the Senate Democrats are a bunch of liars. And the Democrats - even Stupak - will fold.

So here is what typically happens: we, the people, put up a fuss because we do not like a bill. Congress ignores us, passes the bill, then we shut up, accept the “inevitable,” become obedient sheep, and then vote in the same dimwits. It is our fault that we let Congress get away with this stuff. So what do we do? We continue to apply pressure even after this bill passes - emails, town halls, phone calls, faxes, and visits to local offices between now and the election. Keep this on the front pages, in the blogs, on the radio, on the TV shows. We even run for elected office so we can get decent, honest people in those positions.

We also push for the items specified at http://pushbackuntil.com/Mandates.htm. These are just common sense ideas that will save our beloved country for future generations.

In addition, be in D.C. for a massive protest on the day of the State of the Union Address (anyone know the date???). We need to ruin their “party” - no more status quo, no more business as usual - WE HAVE A COUNTRY TO SAVE! Also be there on 4/15. We will have to have major protests in D.C. several times a year. We are not trying to awaken Congress - we are trying to awaken the American people! And it is working. But we have to keep the pressure on for the next five or ten years. Otherwise, nothing will change.

So...BE IN D.C.!


5 posted on 12/24/2009 9:37:55 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: HerrBlucher
The Tea Party has thrown the first punch back but it wasn’t enough to scare the bully. Looks like its time to escalate.

I'm going to be posting an essay soon on this subject. In my view, tea parties are useful but short-term duct tape solutions ( I say that having been a Tea Party attendee.) The true battle is for the hearts and minds of the people. In my view, this requires a long term strategy. The left thinks long term, and though they suffer occasional setbacks, the trend is all in their direction. To counteract this and ultimately prevail, we must adopt long term strategies, generational strategies, whereby we produce a populace that shares our views, and where their interests are aligned with ours. This will occur primarly outside the scope of government, in the free market.

6 posted on 12/24/2009 9:41:16 AM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: raptor22

Harry Reid proclaim healthcare as a right, and a right it shall be. C’mon, get on the bandwagon! Get on the team (to paraphrase Slow-Joe).


7 posted on 12/24/2009 9:47:56 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: HerrBlucher

By that standard, i cannot imagine a single thing that the federal government is not empowered to do.


8 posted on 12/24/2009 9:48:01 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: raptor22
How did the federal mandate on free hospital emergency care get passed? That is what led to this. By the way, liberals are not happy with this Senate bill either.

DU post : Healthcare Mandate vs. U.S. Constitution

9 posted on 12/24/2009 9:54:58 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: raptor22

Using the general welfare clause as a rationale for mandated government health care is idiotic. Even the Constitution’s chief author James Madison clarified the general welfare clause for future tyrants and idiots.

“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,they may take the care of religion into their own hands;they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.”

Keep the quote for future town hells. I trust James Madison. DEFEAT THE DIMS!


10 posted on 12/24/2009 9:55:49 AM PST by grumpygresh
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To: raptor22

i could be very wrong, but it apears to me that tea-parties and calls and faxes and letters...end up to be non-binding.

as far as i can tell, the only non-violent way to attack this is via lawsuits.

if a judge were to declare this to be un-constitutional, what would that do?

if many many law suits were filed against many many parts of this, what would that do?

just thinking out loud........


11 posted on 12/24/2009 10:01:10 AM PST by mreerm
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To: Huck

Conservatives have to climb in the RAT gutter and fight using RAT tactics. Know thy enemies and fight on their turf using their tactics; only be smarter.

Voter fraud has to be shut down now. Patriots have to volunteer to expose and report voter fraud everywhere.


12 posted on 12/24/2009 10:02:27 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: DesertRhino

General Welfare is such a stretch few mention it. The poor, overworked interstate commerce clause SHOULD be a joke. A major health insurance reform I would support would allow me to shop for insurance across state lines.

On its face, I hold this absurdity lacks Constitutional foundation, but the Constitution is whatever the SCOTUS of the day says it is. McCain/Feingold and Kelo taught me never to bet the farm on what Scotus will do.


13 posted on 12/24/2009 10:17:40 AM PST by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: raptor22
When the executive branch are all socialist/commies, and the legislative branch is far left and totally corrupt, and the judicial branch goes along with both of them, the only thing left is THE PEOPLE.

The Constitution is being thown under the bus with obama's grandmother, and they have no intentions of honoring or obeying it for its original intent.

But The Constitution is the guidebook for the people; it is the set of rules that has provided the framework for the most successful government and land of freedom for over 200 years.

The Constitution was originally drafted to free the American people of just the type of tyranny and corruption that we are experiencing now, and the tyrants tried to destroy us and our Constitution back then too, but did not succeed.

When we ALL finally wake up and realize that time the "knight on the white horse" gets here, it may all be over.

We don't have to make up "talking points"...we have the Constitution; we don't need to sneak and make subversive laws in the dark of night, we have the Constitution.

The shadow government of the kenyan and his minions are off too one side, throwing the radical rulings out to see what sticks, and HOW LONG we are going to stand for them.

The march on Washinton might not wait until April 15, 2010...someone needs to be up there standing on their desks right now.

It's either that or have our ankles and wrists fitted for chains.
14 posted on 12/24/2009 10:18:36 AM PST by FrankR (obama was not an election, it was an INVASION of the United States.)
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To: HerrBlucher

I disagree.

It`s a binding legal document. Officers and politicians swear an oath to defend it.

Imagine if you told your mortgage broker you decided the legal document you both signed was in face a “living” document and you have decided to pay 0% interest and only 100 dollars per month from now on.


15 posted on 12/24/2009 10:30:14 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: DesertRhino

Its the consent of the governed, that is not a standard, that is reality. The Constitution isn’t a natural law like gravity that happens automatically, it has to be enforced by people. We are not enforcing it and the tyrants are laughing in our faces daring us to enforce it, just like bullies.


16 posted on 12/24/2009 10:34:16 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Yup, and what happens when the officers and politicians not only do not defend it, but step on it like they are doing now? The Constitution is not enforced automatically, people in power have to choose to enforce it and if they don’t, the people that put them in power have to choose to enforce it. It is that simple.


17 posted on 12/24/2009 10:37:08 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Conservatives have to climb in the RAT gutter and fight using RAT tactics.

Definitely. I'll be posting an essay on that subject asap.

18 posted on 12/24/2009 11:31:32 AM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: raptor22

You should review this it talks about the commerce clause under which they intend to force healthcare’s constitutionality:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=17597


19 posted on 01/04/2010 6:59:43 AM PST by Ollic
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