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Obama eligibility - naive law student gets an 'F' as attorney rips her a new one
renewanmerica.com ^ | 12/24/09 | Philip J. Berg

Posted on 12/26/2009 6:59:53 AM PST by westcoastwillieg

Attorney Philip J. Berg defends Obama birth certificate lawsuits

Editor's note: Philip J. Berg, former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania and an activist attorney who brought a lawsuit challenging the eligibility of Barack Obama to become president of the United States, has written the following reply to Jamie Freeze's Dec. 22 RenewAmerica article "Facts are stubborn things: Obama is a natural-born citizen."

Jamie Freeze, a law student, has called any of us who question Soetoro/Obama's citizenship status and constitutional eligibility to serve as U.S. President --- a constitutional right of ours, of course --- incompetent idiots. Ms. Freeze, however, may want to continue her education. Part of being a lawyer, a very important part, is being able to comprehend what you read and to cite the correct law to collaborate it, something Ms. Freeze has clearly failed to do.

I will respond below to Ms. Freeze's allegations. My responses are in bold. I also want to make very clear to all readers that none of the eligibility cases have been heard, litigated, or dismissed based on the law pertaining to any of the issues raised. Instead, the eligibility cases have been dismissed on the basis of "STANDING" only.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: westcoastwillieg
The simplest and most reasonable of questions; never to be answered from Obama, Inc. or the idiological clones who follow him.

As for Obama being a Muslim. . .when he criticizes Islam and it's followers for being as imperfect as America and all it's citizens, might reconsider my position. . .Of course, we have it from the horses President's mouth:

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51 posted on 12/26/2009 7:56:17 AM PST by cricket ('Don't bow for me Obama ' (America's 'sorry' President)http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSW)
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To: omega4179

Why is there no record of His past? Have the records simply disappeared?


52 posted on 12/26/2009 7:56:24 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: westcoastwillieg

Tarp ‘slush fund’ no doubt, kicking in. . .


53 posted on 12/26/2009 7:57:16 AM PST by cricket ('Don't bow for me Obama ' (America's 'sorry' President)http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSW)
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To: freekitty
What’s amazing is how people like this Freeze woman can write this dribble with absolutely no proof.

Main Entry: 1driv·el
Pronunciation: \ˈdri-vəl\
Function: intransitive verbInflected Form(s): driv·eled or driv·elled; driv·el·ing or driv·el·ling \-v(ə-)liŋ\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English dreflian;
perhaps akin to Old Norse draf malt dregs
Date: before 12th century
1 : to let saliva dribble from the mouth : slaver
2 : to talk stupidly and carelessly
— driv·el·er \-v(ə-)lər\ noun

I like this definition because it reminds me of "Skip-Gate", whereby the police "acted stupidly" - the defenders of Barry's faux NBC status are getting "wee-weed up", and acting stupidly.

54 posted on 12/26/2009 8:00:16 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: SERKIT

You made your point. LOL


55 posted on 12/26/2009 8:02:27 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: y6162

I am a Constitutionalist.

We have much in common.


56 posted on 12/26/2009 8:04:32 AM PST by jazminerose
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To: raybbr
Did you read her article about Republicans being Christians?

This young lady is taking quite a bit of irrational abuse on this forum and likewise irrational condemnation from a group of people that under any other circumstances would more than likely embrace her and her values.

Sad, the sheeple on the right can be just as blinded by emotional ignorance as those of the left. It is a bit embarrassing actually.

57 posted on 12/26/2009 8:04:36 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: omega4179

The current oval office resident is using an alias, not a legal name. Things go downhill from there with this affirmative action liar-in-chief, the darling of the democrap party.


58 posted on 12/26/2009 8:04:48 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: westcoastwillieg
to cite the correct law to collaborate it,

Uh, Phil ... that would be corroborate.

You do Constitutionalists no favor by making such a basic blunder with the English language.

Come to think of it, you've done Constitutionalists no favor thus far.

59 posted on 12/26/2009 8:05:26 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: freebird5850
Obozo bigger fraud than madoff!
60 posted on 12/26/2009 8:06:28 AM PST by FreeperFlirt
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To: old curmudgeon

The process to cover his illicit trail started before he ran for the DNC nomination and has continued since the election of ‘08. Perkins-Coie is not a cheap firm. The naysayers are simply trying to divert attention with their constant clamour for ‘proof of costs’. One wonders where these sleepers at FR get their too tight kneepads ...


61 posted on 12/26/2009 8:09:36 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: autumnraine

She is not an Obama lover, she is republican FYI


62 posted on 12/26/2009 8:15:50 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ImpBill
This young lady is taking quite a bit of irrational abuse on this forum and likewise irrational condemnation from a group of people that under any other circumstances would more than likely embrace her and her values.

I think her name calling invited the abuse. To wit: "Here goes: If you believe that President Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen, then you are an incompetent idiot who is probably watching Glenn Beck while wearing a tin-foil hat. You probably think Obama's a Muslim too."

She found the necessary words to insult many people to make her case. Rather than investigate the veracity of Berg's claim she chose to attack him and equate Beck to him. To my knowledge Beck has never stated he believes Obama is NOT a citizen. I think he shies away from the subject and occasionally makes a reference to it but has not declared a position.

I did read the article. I found her to be, as usual for pundits these days, to be quite intensely equivocating.

I do, however, like her conclusion: "So the question isn't whether a Christian can be a Republican (or Democrat). The question is whether Christians are being Christ-like in a Christ-less society."

63 posted on 12/26/2009 8:16:43 AM PST by raybbr (If you try to kiss your son on the head while he's running you WILL get a fat lip.)
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To: westcoastwillieg

To me the last comment by Mr. Berg is the most troubling to explain away. If Obama was born in Hawaii and there can be no question about that produce the long form birth certificate and be done with it rather than spend over a million dollars fighting its release. I am a US citizen born in this country and proof of my citizenship is a matter of clear record. Why does Obama have such a problem simply releasing the records that would make this whole thing go away?


64 posted on 12/26/2009 8:16:45 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: raybbr

Shades of Hillary.


65 posted on 12/26/2009 8:16:45 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: newfreep

Could have been changed to include both idiots.


66 posted on 12/26/2009 8:17:03 AM PST by curth
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
She is not an Obama lover, she is republican FYI

Are the two mutually exclusive in a young mind?

67 posted on 12/26/2009 8:17:33 AM PST by raybbr (If you try to kiss your son on the head while he's running you WILL get a fat lip.)
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To: westcoastwillieg

Occam’s razor.


68 posted on 12/26/2009 8:18:02 AM PST by MarkT
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To: ClearCase_guy

Legal fees are listed in the Obama presidential campaign’s FEC filings that are public. You can find it by googling the FEC reports. It shows that since the election, Team Obama has spent some $1.7M on legal fees, presumably defending various eligibility challenges.

For a response filed by John D. Hemenway in the Hollister case in the DC appeals court on Christmas Eve on this very issue, among others, see:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2414705/posts


69 posted on 12/26/2009 8:18:37 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: raybbr

Did you read the article, the question came from a liberal student not Ms. Freeze.


70 posted on 12/26/2009 8:19:30 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ClearCase_guy
That bothers me a lot, too. You hear this claim all the time plus the number of law firms fighting to prevent the release of the BC, but I've NEVER seen any hard evidence to back it up. It seems to have become urban legend.

I respect Mr. Berg's response, but he needs a proof reader and less dependence on spell-checking: "Part of being a lawyer, a very important part, is being able to comprehend what you read and to cite the correct law to collaborate it, something Ms. Freeze has clearly failed to do."

Clearly he meant "corroborate it." Small nit to pick in an otherwise fine response.

71 posted on 12/26/2009 8:21:33 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: raybbr

LOL, as though freepers don’t realize that RINOs are some of Obama’s greatest supporters & admirers, LOLOL


72 posted on 12/26/2009 8:22:30 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: FreeperFlirt
What is a poe and how does that compare to a troll?
73 posted on 12/26/2009 8:22:37 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: raybbr; hennie pennie

I agree. I read this article from a Google alert I get. I was really pissed but there was no comment section. Then I saw that a Freeper picked it up. She definitely intended to be insightful and I for one am glad to see her being taken to the shed on this one...


74 posted on 12/26/2009 8:27:33 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: ImpBill; autumnraine

But when you combine her profile with the picture she paints of herself with her comments, Freeze looks very much like a liberal pretending, for strategic purposes, to be a conservative. For example, some conservatives might think Glenn Beck is a bit over the top but none would try to marginalize him in an ideological context.

At this point I’m not convinced she’s not an Obama lover.


75 posted on 12/26/2009 8:28:34 AM PST by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: raybbr
We can certainly agree, the young (and I stress "young") lady is quite naive and that her writing skills could definitely use some further honing. And I also agree she needs to acquire a bit more humility, which should come as she grows through real life experiences, but the point of my reply to you was basically aimed at the knee-jerk, uninformed reactions by folks on this forum.

It will be interesting, only mildly, to follow how she develops once she leaves the insular existence of academia and enters the real rough and tumble world.

76 posted on 12/26/2009 8:28:47 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: The Great RJ
Good point, my argument is the constitution says “natural born citizen” which requires BOTH parents to be US citizen which in this case one is not, the father! Remember Obozo said in his book he found his BC at his grandmas house? well barry show it and be done with this nonsense!
77 posted on 12/26/2009 8:29:08 AM PST by FreeperFlirt
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Did you bother to read the thread...with note of post 12 and 69?


78 posted on 12/26/2009 8:29:59 AM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: RegulatorCountry

lol what is a poe and troll sense I’m a newbe?


79 posted on 12/26/2009 8:30:52 AM PST by FreeperFlirt
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To: reasonisfaith

Okie Doakie!


80 posted on 12/26/2009 8:31:19 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: elk
Goes to show the quality of law students nowadays.

This "girl" writes like she's in middle school. When and if she finishes, she is destined for government. Super high opinion of herself, mediocre performance.

81 posted on 12/26/2009 8:32:04 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (What do the _hite House and I have in common? We're both missing W....)
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To: reasonisfaith

Agree. The ruse is to take in the clothing of a republican and then undermine these claims from THAT perspective.

How long has she been GOP affiliated?...even if several years, ‘Obama-in the-making’ is an intricate undertaking, many parts, players and time invested.


82 posted on 12/26/2009 8:32:35 AM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: omega4179

Has a habit of throwing people under the bus...


83 posted on 12/26/2009 8:36:23 AM PST by Vernon
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To: Tribune7

She’s being trained to be intelligent? Isn’t that something you either are, or are not? Dang, I could have trained my idiot stepsisters to have an IQ above warm dirt...?


84 posted on 12/26/2009 8:39:51 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (He's changing his name from Tiger to Cheetah)
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To: Tribune7
She writes like a high school kid.

You beat me to it but I was going to say an incompetent middle school kiddie.

85 posted on 12/26/2009 8:43:04 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: jazminerose

A question to constitutional experts, attorneys. Would an 0bama signature of health care legislation that includes mandates to purchase insurance provide any basis for some form of class action that challenges 0bama’s eligibility more than any of the current challenges?


86 posted on 12/26/2009 8:47:34 AM PST by grumpygresh
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Yes, I did read the article. See my response at #63.
87 posted on 12/26/2009 8:50:06 AM PST by raybbr (If you try to kiss your son on the head while he's running you WILL get a fat lip.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Has fighting all these birther cases been the only legal work that Perkins Coie has done for Obama? Or are there other legal issues mixed in there?

There might have been that land deal but Rezko took the fall and it was hushed up. There had been speculation there were other real estate shenanigans but all's quite now. There is also most assuredly hush money being thrown around the world but that most likely being conducted behind closed doors and far, far away from any connections to him.

88 posted on 12/26/2009 8:50:29 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: grumpygresh

Probably a topic for a separate post.


89 posted on 12/26/2009 8:50:49 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: eyeamok
I don't think so. They are defeating these cases on the argument that no one has standing to litigate the issue, and therefore, the court never has to address the issue. IIRC they have never submitted anything that deals directly with the issue of Obama’s birth, because the court has never allowed it to get that far.
90 posted on 12/26/2009 8:50:51 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: avenir
It is the left who have, in essence, become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.

Great Tag Line, had to shorten it for the space available.
91 posted on 12/26/2009 8:57:55 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: jnsun

Unless the BC is merely a ruse to distract us from something even more shocking, i.e. his Indonesian citizenship, how and who paid for his college and his traipsing around the world on who knows what passport. I suspect there’s a long, long condeming paper trail that will one day unravel.


92 posted on 12/26/2009 9:00:02 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

In Hollister v. Soetoro Bob Bauer asked the court to take “judicial notice” of the fact that his client, Barack Obama “publicly produced a certified copy of a birth certificate showing that he was born on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu Hawaii.” And noting a birth announcement published in a Honolulu newspaper.

Neither document was provided for the court, because neither document exist, but the fact that Bauer only had these items to “offer” the court as proof of his clients eligibility is quit interesting.


93 posted on 12/26/2009 9:00:34 AM PST by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: grumpygresh
Article one section of the Constitution does not give Congress the right to enforce us citizen to but a product from a private company. The spin will be to make it a tax but still I believe we can defeat this, but just like obama BC cases no “standing” might apply until it goes full bloom with passage of bill,refusing to buy arrested and convicted then one will have standing to challenge the bill as unconstitutional
94 posted on 12/26/2009 9:03:13 AM PST by FreeperFlirt
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To: Tribune7
She writes like a high school kid.

Note to self: DO NOT retain Jamie Freeze!!!

95 posted on 12/26/2009 9:06:40 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: raybbr

That essay you linked is pretty well written and hits the nail on the head.


96 posted on 12/26/2009 9:06:55 AM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: EDINVA
Of particular importance in this discussion is Hemenway's quote from the SCOTUS opininion in Scheider v. Rusk in which it is made absolutely clear that statutory law concerning naturalization has nothing to do with the eligibility requirement of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 and that statutory law cannot alter constitutional provisions. Berg seems to ignore this point just as he does the 19th century case law indicating the importance of Vattel's views on this point. It is perhaps fortunate for Colonel Hollister that Berg and his team resigned from the case, since he seems to needless and erroneously concede a fundamental point that is very much at issue.

One wonders how a self-described methodical law student can have failed so badly to research the law as to confuse statutuory law of naturalized citizenshship with the Constitutional requirement for presidential eligibilty that long preceded the 14th Amendment and was unaffected by it, as the Supreme Court points out. The quote in question was used by the 10th Circuit not long ago in the Craig case to make the point she seems completely ignorant of. What kind of a law student thinks statutes can alter the Constitution. Is that being taught in law schools these days?

97 posted on 12/26/2009 9:08:19 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: jnsun; omega4179

I’ve said before that I believe Barry’s birth certificate carries 1- a different name for his father and/or 2- his race as Caucasian.

Both would be embarrassing to him. But what’s worse is the ADOPTION by Lolo Soetoro and his use of Indonesian Citizenship to attend Occidental College as an Affirmative Action Foreign Student and to get the Passport to go to Indonesia and Pakistan back in 1981 when he should have reestablished himself as a US Citizen [IF he indeed could have done that legally].

He’s using the Social Security Number of a deceased Connecticut person. Orly Taitz has ALL that documentation from the many SSNs he’s used. Yet NO JUDGE QUESTIONS that? It’s been surmised that his GrandMother (the White folk one) assisted him in obtaining the SSNs when she was working at the Bank in Hawai’i.

Collusion with the Judiciary? If it could be proved, the entire SCOTUS should be recalled, impeached, imprisoned, drawn, quartered, tarred, feathered, run out on a rail. Not necessarily in that order.


98 posted on 12/26/2009 9:13:28 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: avenir
..............we can detach safely from these imposters, try them for treason and hopefully see them put to death—quite rightly, before GOD and man—and not become lawless in the process*.

Well stated. It is time we stopped defending ourselves under terms dictated by the treasonous impostors and strike for freedom on our terms!!!

99 posted on 12/26/2009 9:14:02 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: AmericanVictory

“What kind of a law student thinks statutes can alter the Constitution.(?)” Sham conservative/actually liberal ones, as this vacuous-brained girl shows.


100 posted on 12/26/2009 9:15:40 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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