What IS it about MORMON members that they CANNOT tell the difference between
showing the heresy of their chosen religion
and HATE for an indivdual?
Posted on 12/26/2009 1:06:10 PM PST by Colofornian
CHICO —
Changes in the curriculum at Crosspoint Academy have some parents, including prominent radio host Delilah Rene Luke, concerned the private Christian school in Chico is straying from its biblical focus.
But school leaders defend the changes, saying the new materials will grow the school’s 290 students into the next generation of Christian leaders.
“The idea that Crosspoint is still fundamentally rooted in strong Christian values and delivers a curriculum with a Christian perspective in mind has not changed and that has never changed in this process,” said Eric Rasmussen, superintendent of schools for Crista, the Christian ministry organization that owns Crosspoint.
The school, formerly known as King’s West, announced this fall that it had a new plan for a curriculum focused on leadership and on five pillars: critical thinking, collaboration, creativity, contemplation and cultural competency. Much of the work has been based on “The Leader In Me,” a program for students from Stephen Covey, author of “The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.”
The emphasis on Covey’s work is what most concerns Delilah. She recently disenrolled three of her children from Crosspoint.
“I would like to say that I am merely ‘deeply concerned’ about a recent addition to the school’s teaching philosophy, but instead, I am forced to admit I am actually HORRIFIED by the recent addition of a book by Mormon author Steven (sic) Covey,” she wrote in a Nov. 24 open letter to Crosspoint parents.
Further, she wrote that she believes in freedom of religion and does not object to Mormon beliefs or the yoga-type, Eastern religion activities Covey advocates. She said in a recent interview, however, that the materials don’t belong in a Christian school.
“It’s not about being intolerant. It’s about being true to my faith,” she said. “I don’t have a problem with Stephen Covey and businesses that use it. I don’t have any problem with people who want to sign up for yoga classes or attend the church of Satan if they want to. That’s their right. But I can’t imagine someone paying money to send their kids to Brigham Young University so they can get a good basis in Mormon faith and then having their kid come home and saying his new teacher was a Catholic priest teaching the Apocrypha.”
After her letter circulated, Delilah held an informational meeting in Port Orchard for Crosspoint parents. About 30 attended. She also received many supportive e-mails. But the parents contacted by e-mail by the Kitsap Sun about the controversy either declined to be interviewed or did not respond.
Covey has denied in recent years that his leadership materials are repackaged Mormonism. But Delilah is concerned that the leadership materials introduce Mormon tenets in a way that is palatable to non-Mormons.
“He intends to indoctrinate the world with his theology by wiring it in a way that people can accept,” she said.
Delilah questioned whether Crista and Crosspoint leaders were aware of Covey’s beliefs before they adopted the materials. But Rasmussen said the bigger question is whether Crista schools only take materials from Christian publishers. The schools draw from a wide variety of materials and “we will continue to seek and find the best resources and put them in the hands of outstanding Christian educators,” he added.
Additionally, Rasmussen said teaching at Crosspoint goes well beyond “The Leader In Me” to focus on the five pillars. For example, he said, the core value of contemplation means to be “people of reflection.”
“From a Christian standpoint, that means kids would meditate on their faith and the significance of biblical truth in their life, or they would read and think contemplatively about great literature.”
“We believe leaders do these core things, that kids should be contemplative in life and think about next step, about what God has in store and in place for them.”
Delilah said smaller issues have led her to believe Crosspoint is trying to rebrand itself to attract families familiar and comfortable with Covey, but not perhaps with Christianity. A plaque with the Ten Commandments was recently moved from a prominent spot in the school’s main hallway to a not-so-prominent classroom. A “Seven Habits” poster advocating meditation was put up at Crosspoint, with a Bible verse taped to it “as if to make Eastern religion acceptable to the Christian,” Delilah wrote in her Nov. 24 letter.
“They even changed the school’s name to take the Lord’s name out,” she said.
Further, school leaders did not properly inform parents of the changes until the beginning of this school year, giving them little time to understand or react, she said.
But Rasmussen said the school’s changes are not about rebranding, rather it’s trying to improve on past success in academics and extracurriculars.
“We’re thrilled in terms of where we’re going and moving forward to make this great school better to be really intentionally focused,” he said. “We see the need in terms of this world for good intentional Christian leaders who will lead in their churches and their communities and their homes.”
Ah! So because the founding fathers thought slavery was cool, we need to toss out that suspect constitution.
I still can’t find the veiled Mormonism that this woman is opposing. [AppyPappy]
Hey, when an author deliberately covers up Lds “prophet” David O. McKay’s title when quoting him (p. 294 of 7 habits) – calling him merely a “religious leader,” then, yes, that’s veiling Mormonism. When you cite someone positively without qualifiers, you’re basically telling the reader these are mighty fine people to read…and Covey did the same in quoting Ezra Taft Benson in the book. (Benson was also an Lds “prophet” – of course, NOT id’d as such by Cover-up Covey). Covey also quotes another Mormon leader, N. Eldon Tanner.
Also Covey recommends ”daily prayerful meditation” on what he focuses on – the Mormon scriptures on p. 292. (Only, he leaves out the Mormon reference; hence, ‘tis veiled)
I was introduced to this book through work years ago, I had no idea who Covey but as I read it, my inner radar screamed something is not right about this....I later found out Covey was a Mormon. Not a bad book,but it does reek of Mormon good works… [ThisLittleLightofMine]
Nothing in the 7 habits book struck me as Mormomist, either explicitly or implicitly…You could be a person of any faith and apply these simple practices that are more for focusing on good habits. [TradicalRC]
So, when a MORMON author cites three MORMON leaders in a book (Benson, McKay, Tanner), nothing explicitly MORMON jumps right out atcha? (OK)
I have been through the 7 habits, and found them to be very useful in the management of people. I found nothing theological about it, it is mostly philosophical. I will admit, though, several participants claimed to see veiled Mormonism… [Hoosier Hick]
Well, as mentioned above, when a Mormon author cites Mormon leaders without telling readers they are Mormon, then, yes, that’s a deliberate exclusion of the word Mormon/Lds, etc.
As far as supposedly ”nothing theological about it,” then ya wanna explain, Hoosier Hick, why Covey...
...has 5 references in the index about spiritual components? (Upward spiral of spiritual renewal; spiritual dimension in renewal)
...mentions the Mormon god on p. 319 & the Mormon lord on p. 309?
...recommends ”daily prayerful meditation” on the Mormon Scriptures? (p. 292)
...claims that “intrinsic security” comes from “within…correct principles deep in your mind and heart…Peace of mind comes when your life is in harmony with true principles and values and in no other way.”?? (p. 298)
Well, that sounds pretty exclusive. But you know, principles/values can be impersonal -- in contrast to even principles/values derived from a personal God. True peace comes from trusting God (Isaiah 26:3) – and being in harmony in RELATIONSHIP with Him! (It's not "pocketing" all the correct principles)
In Covey's book, I see few references to God or relating to Him. Instead, He places the emphasis on correct principles (pp. 295, 305, 309, numerous others), which is thoroughly Joseph Smith, who was big-time "principle" this and "principle" that...
Covey also claims a theology that wealth-power comes from within vs. the God who transcends us. (When you understand that Mormon authors think of themselves as gods-in-embryo, then of course, YOU are the power-generator).
Do you boycott his programs and books because he’s a Mormon? [Saundra Duffy]
OK, again, let’s address what THE root issue was in this story:
A CHRISTIAN woman woman objected to her kids, who are still immature in their spiritual discernment, from being subjected to...
...MORMON philosophy...
...under the guise of CHRISTIAN curricula.
So, if a CHRISTIAN school doesn’t carry MORMON-produced material, are you now joining the Deseret News/Mormon Times chorus that CHRISTIANS are boycotting MORMON materials? Really? (So, when LDS bookstores don’t carry CHRISTIAN published materials, so they’re boycotting CHRISTIANS? Are you consistent in holding that position?)
So, Saundra do you also object to PARENTS having the right to oversee what spiritual materials their kids will be force-fed @ school?
So, when a MORMON author cites three MORMON leaders in a book (Benson, McKay, Tanner), nothing explicitly MORMON jumps right out atcha? (OK)
Yeah. Something is not MORMON simply because a MORMON said it. For example, they use the phrase Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So by your reckoning the name Jesus must be a Mormon thing and if you don't tell people that Mormons talk about Jesus then THAT's covert Mormonism!
Right.
Amazing!
I think Beck would be quite surprised to learn much of what Mormonism teaches. He would see right through the fraud of Jopseph Smith.
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Possibly. He may already know or not care. He believes the LDS church has helped him with his alcohol addiction and far too many LDS stay in the church, even knowing the true history and doctrines for family/social/cultural reasons or becuase they believe that it is still “the best thing going”.
He may fear that the church is the only thing keeping him sober.
It seems that you need MORE than this...
There are Mormon sports stars. Do you refuse to watch them play?
I’m sure there are many Mormon businesses in the world. Do you boycott them?
Are these folks PUSHIUNG their MORMONism?
What IS it about MORMON members that they CANNOT tell the difference between
showing the heresy of their chosen religion
and HATE for an indivdual?
Hell!
You're more familiar than most MORMONS!!!
Hell!
You're more familiar than most MORMONS!!!
He is, ahem, a bit outspoken!!
Are you a RomanCatholic?
Sticking up for the MORMON religious Organization?
HELLO!
We CHANGED our laws to eliminate slavery: the MORMON Organization has changed NOTHING about the fact that the Restored Gospel® cannot be found in the Book of MORMON.
"There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.No, I don't.The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
You are obviously unfamiliar with the LDS practice (doctrine even) of “lying for the Lord”. This means, that to them, it is ok to lie, deceive, obscure, or omit things in order to further the LDS church as an organization.
Covey’s book uses deception by veiling LDS quotes and principles so that they are more palatable and therefore do not raise any red flags for the reader.
You’re more familiar than most MORMONS!!!
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I am beginning to realize that.
Everyone should watch “September Dawn” and read “Red Water”, too. I lost family members in that attack and I still can’t get over the irony of the date: 9/11.
Same old, same old. Again, I ask you. Do you boycott Glenn Beck’s programs and books because he is a Mormon?
Do you refuse to follow football because Steve Young, quarterback for the 49ers, is a Mormon?
Would you refuse to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even though President Reagan referred to them as “America’s Choir”?
Do you think that BYU should be squashed, even though they provide a first-class education?
Do you think that starving people all over the world should refuse help from the Mormons?
Like I said, this is sooooo sad - that this thread deteriorated into a Mormon bashing exercise.
I love my Church. Steven Covey is a great man - he is actually famous and well thought of by good people all over the world. I doubt most people even know he is a Mormon. When I joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints I had heard of Steven Covey and had great respect for the man. Then I learned he was a Mormon.
It is crazy to condemn a good man who has done so much good in the world like this. It stinks.
Knock it off.
Do you think that BYU should be squashed, even though they provide a first-class education?
Wouldn't really call it "first class" but I suppose it depends upon your major (and yes, I went there). As one of my grad advisors (History) said "You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV."
Would you refuse to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even though President Reagan referred to them as “America’s Choir”?
Didn't like the MoTab when I was LDS, so yeah I refuse to listen to them.
Do you boycott Glenn Beck’s programs and books because he is a Mormon?
Actually I do. I don't knowingly give any money to anyone who will pay tithing to the LDS.
Do you refuse to follow football because Steve Young, quarterback for the 49ers, is a Mormon?
Is he still quarterbacking? I haven't watched football in years
Glenn Beck is a phony fawning wannabe who is working much too hard to do the work that has been done by Rush and Levin. His true colors show on occasion as he sucks up to the Mormon Royalty types when he himself has no chance of being one of them. He doesn't even realize that he as a n00b convert will always be an outsider from that Speshul Group.
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