Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Radio Host Delilah Pulls Kids from Crosspoint Academy, Claiming School Teaches Veiled Mormonism
Kitsap Sun ^ | Dec. 25, 2009 | Marietta Nelson

Posted on 12/26/2009 1:06:10 PM PST by Colofornian

CHICO —

Changes in the curriculum at Crosspoint Academy have some parents, including prominent radio host Delilah Rene Luke, concerned the private Christian school in Chico is straying from its biblical focus.

But school leaders defend the changes, saying the new materials will grow the school’s 290 students into the next generation of Christian leaders.

“The idea that Crosspoint is still fundamentally rooted in strong Christian values and delivers a curriculum with a Christian perspective in mind has not changed and that has never changed in this process,” said Eric Rasmussen, superintendent of schools for Crista, the Christian ministry organization that owns Crosspoint.

The school, formerly known as King’s West, announced this fall that it had a new plan for a curriculum focused on leadership and on five pillars: critical thinking, collaboration, creativity, contemplation and cultural competency. Much of the work has been based on “The Leader In Me,” a program for students from Stephen Covey, author of “The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.”

The emphasis on Covey’s work is what most concerns Delilah. She recently disenrolled three of her children from Crosspoint.

“I would like to say that I am merely ‘deeply concerned’ about a recent addition to the school’s teaching philosophy, but instead, I am forced to admit I am actually HORRIFIED by the recent addition of a book by Mormon author Steven (sic) Covey,” she wrote in a Nov. 24 open letter to Crosspoint parents.

Further, she wrote that she believes in freedom of religion and does not object to Mormon beliefs or the yoga-type, Eastern religion activities Covey advocates. She said in a recent interview, however, that the materials don’t belong in a Christian school.

“It’s not about being intolerant. It’s about being true to my faith,” she said. “I don’t have a problem with Stephen Covey and businesses that use it. I don’t have any problem with people who want to sign up for yoga classes or attend the church of Satan if they want to. That’s their right. But I can’t imagine someone paying money to send their kids to Brigham Young University so they can get a good basis in Mormon faith and then having their kid come home and saying his new teacher was a Catholic priest teaching the Apocrypha.”

After her letter circulated, Delilah held an informational meeting in Port Orchard for Crosspoint parents. About 30 attended. She also received many supportive e-mails. But the parents contacted by e-mail by the Kitsap Sun about the controversy either declined to be interviewed or did not respond.

Covey has denied in recent years that his leadership materials are repackaged Mormonism. But Delilah is concerned that the leadership materials introduce Mormon tenets in a way that is palatable to non-Mormons.

“He intends to indoctrinate the world with his theology by wiring it in a way that people can accept,” she said.

Delilah questioned whether Crista and Crosspoint leaders were aware of Covey’s beliefs before they adopted the materials. But Rasmussen said the bigger question is whether Crista schools only take materials from Christian publishers. The schools draw from a wide variety of materials and “we will continue to seek and find the best resources and put them in the hands of outstanding Christian educators,” he added.

Additionally, Rasmussen said teaching at Crosspoint goes well beyond “The Leader In Me” to focus on the five pillars. For example, he said, the core value of contemplation means to be “people of reflection.”

“From a Christian standpoint, that means kids would meditate on their faith and the significance of biblical truth in their life, or they would read and think contemplatively about great literature.”

“We believe leaders do these core things, that kids should be contemplative in life and think about next step, about what God has in store and in place for them.”

Delilah said smaller issues have led her to believe Crosspoint is trying to rebrand itself to attract families familiar and comfortable with Covey, but not perhaps with Christianity. A plaque with the Ten Commandments was recently moved from a prominent spot in the school’s main hallway to a not-so-prominent classroom. A “Seven Habits” poster advocating meditation was put up at Crosspoint, with a Bible verse taped to it “as if to make Eastern religion acceptable to the Christian,” Delilah wrote in her Nov. 24 letter.

“They even changed the school’s name to take the Lord’s name out,” she said.

Further, school leaders did not properly inform parents of the changes until the beginning of this school year, giving them little time to understand or react, she said.

But Rasmussen said the school’s changes are not about rebranding, rather it’s trying to improve on past success in academics and extracurriculars.

“We’re thrilled in terms of where we’re going and moving forward to make this great school better to be really intentionally focused,” he said. “We see the need in terms of this world for good intentional Christian leaders who will lead in their churches and their communities and their homes.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; christianschools; covey; curricula; delilah; education; lds; mormon; paranoidparents; parnoidchristians
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 101-150151-200201-250251 next last
To: urroner
Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, “Your God reigns!”

Show us YOUR pretty tootsies by giving us chapter and verse of the RESTORED GOSPEL® that supposedly lurks in the BoM.


I keep seeing a pattern here:

1. I ask where

2. You say you've SHOWN already

3. I ask for clarification

4. You give stuff that is NOT BoM

5. REPEAT

201 posted on 12/28/2009 12:34:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

Watch out for SHINGLES later on - no fun either!

- - - - - -
Yeah I know. My best friend had a nasty bout of the shingles this year. It was painful just to watch.


202 posted on 12/28/2009 12:40:23 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 146 | View Replies]

To: urroner

203 posted on 12/28/2009 12:41:50 PM PST by ejonesie22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

Better than THIS??

- - - - - -
LOL. Even when I was LDS I had no use for the Mo Tab choir. One of my closest friends was in the choir and a couple of times I would go with her to practice if we were in SLC together. It would always put me to sleep.


204 posted on 12/28/2009 12:45:53 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 148 | View Replies]

To: All

“I’d Pull My Kids out of Mormonite Heresy too! Placemarker”


205 posted on 12/28/2009 1:24:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 204 | View Replies]

To: urroner

The gospel I LIVE IS the ONE in the BIBLE!

- - - - -
SO show me where in the Bible the following are contained?

That there will be a BoM?
Temple rituals like sealings and endowments?
That God was once a man?
That God has a body of flesh and bones?
That there is a Mother in Heaven?
That Jesus was married?
Baptism for the dead? (preemptively, paul uses “they” not “we” in 1 Cor.)
The office of Seventies?
That the church is a specific denomination?
That man can become Gods?

LDS doctrine contradicts the Bible, not follows it.


206 posted on 12/28/2009 3:12:37 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 158 | View Replies]

To: urroner

I don’t think you have any desire to do so. It seems to me that you have found that it’s easier to destroy than to build up. I could be wrong, but that is all I have ever seen you do in the threads I have read.

- - - — -
Then you haven’t been paying attention.

My desire is twofold, first to show the errors of Mormonism, and second to show the truth of Jesus Christ.


207 posted on 12/28/2009 3:13:53 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 158 | View Replies]

To: urroner

I asked for questions, yet all I get from you is complaints.

Questions please, so that I may answer them.

However, I DO doubt your sincerity.


208 posted on 12/28/2009 3:15:45 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 164 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

Isn’t that a bit messianic?

- - - - -
How about THIS quote for LDS “messianic complex”:

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . “ (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-409).


209 posted on 12/28/2009 3:18:21 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 194 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Good Gawd! Really?


210 posted on 12/28/2009 3:38:16 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 209 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

Yep, actual quote. And he died in a gunfight almost exactly one month after making that boast.


211 posted on 12/28/2009 3:41:47 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 210 | View Replies]

To: urroner

Dear Brave Mormon FReeper - I have been down this road many times. It leads to nowhere. Just state your Testimony and kick the dust from your shoes.

Jesus Christ is my Savior; He died for me to save me from my sins. This is Heavenly Father’s Plan and the Holy Ghost seals it in my heart.

The woman who yanked her kids out of this school is just plain paranoid and silly.

About Stephen R. Covey
Personal Bio
Recognized as one of Time magazine’s 25 most influential Americans, Stephen R. Covey has dedicated his life to demonstrating how every person can truly control their destiny with profound, yet straightforward guidance. As an internationally respected leadership authority, family expert, teacher, organizational consultant, and author, his advice has given insight to millions.

Some of Stephen R. Covey’s milestones:

Over 20 million books sold (in 38 languages)

The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People was named the #1 Most Influential Business Book of the Twentieth Century

Authored four titles with sales exceeding one million copies each: First Things First , Principle-Centered Leadership, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families, and The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People

Latest book, The 8th Habit , has sold nearly 400,000 copies

International Man of Peace Award

National Fatherhood Award (father of 9, grandfather of 44)

Author of the best-selling nonfiction audio in history (The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People)

No. 1 best-selling hardcover book on family (The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families)

MBA from Harvard, doctorate degree from Brigham Young University

Board of directors for the Points of Light Foundations

Co-founder and vice chairman of FranklinCovey, the leading global professional services firm with offices in 123 countries

International Entrepreneur of the Year Award

Awarded eight honorary doctorate degrees

“Voice is unique personal significance—significance that is revealed as we face our greatest challenges and that makes us equal to them.”

Dr. Stephen R. Covey, from The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness


212 posted on 12/28/2009 4:50:12 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 184 | View Replies]

To: Elsie; Colofornian

Glenn Beck is a Mormon. Do you boycott his programs and books because he’s a Mormon?

There are Mormon sports stars. Do you refuse to watch them play?

I’m sure there are many Mormon businesses in the world. Do you boycott them?

This is absolutely ridiculous.


213 posted on 12/28/2009 4:52:30 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 152 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

This thread was supposed to be about a woman who took her kids out of a school that used Covey’s philosophy to build character and leadership.

It’s turned into a Mormon hating machine. How sad.


214 posted on 12/28/2009 4:55:21 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 206 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy

I didn’t bring it up. The LDS side was the one that started “thowing stones”.

And I don’t blame the woman for doing that, I would have too, but then again, sadly I am a lot more familiar with LDS beliefs than most Christians.


215 posted on 12/28/2009 4:59:56 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy; Elsie
I’m sure there are many Mormon businesses in the world. Do you boycott them?

National chains like the Marriott? (Yes...of course, they're part of the porn industry)

There are Mormon sports stars. Do you refuse to watch them play?

Nothing "veiled" there...we usually know they're Mormon...same with Beck. (Though I wouldn't buy a Beck book)

216 posted on 12/28/2009 5:04:58 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 213 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy; Elsie; Colofornian

Glenn Beck is a Mormon. Do you boycott his programs and books because he’s a Mormon? [SD]

Yes, actually I do. I don’t trust him to be completely honest and forthright. I don’t hate him, I just don’t trust him either.

There are Mormon sports stars. Do you refuse to watch them play? [SD]

Don’t watch sports, except PBR bull riding and to my knowledge there aren’t any LDS pro bull riders currently on the circuit. There is Cody Hancock but he is PRCA and I don’t keep up with PRCA.

I’m sure there are many Mormon businesses in the world. Do you boycott them? [SD]

If I am aware of them, yes I do. Of course that goes for atheist and gay owned businesses too. I much prefer to support Christian run businesses.

It isn’t about “hate”, it is about trust and about supporting anyone who gives money to the LDS organization through tithing.


217 posted on 12/28/2009 5:08:45 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 213 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

I like Beck, even if he is a Mormon. He joined that church as an adult and I seriously doubt he knows of a lot of the strange theology that makes up Mormonism. I suspect he may one day learn of it and leave that church.


218 posted on 12/28/2009 5:13:21 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 217 | View Replies]

To: SeaHawkFan

like Beck, even if he is a Mormon. He joined that church as an adult and I seriously doubt he knows of a lot of the strange theology that makes up Mormonism. I suspect he may one day learn of it and leave that church.

- - - - -
I like Beck too, I just cannot trust that he is not putting an LDS spin on things.

And I pray that someday he will learn the truth.


219 posted on 12/28/2009 5:16:29 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 218 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

I think Beck would be quite surprised to learn much of what Mormonism teaches. He would see right through the fraud of Jopseph Smith. He joined the church because some members helped him get off his addictions. The Mormons call it “fellowshiping”.

I’ve not heard of the Mormon church bragging about having Beck as a member. Maybe they are concerned that a guy as bright as he is will one day understand the truth of Mormonism and promoting him as a Mormon would create a serious public relations problem if he were to leave Mormonism.


220 posted on 12/28/2009 5:24:20 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 219 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

Ah! So because the founding fathers thought slavery was cool, we need to toss out that suspect constitution.


221 posted on 12/28/2009 6:05:54 PM PST by TradicalRC (Secular conservatism is liberalism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 144 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy; AppyPappy; hoosier hick; TradicalRC; ThisLittleLightofMine; reaganaut; urroner; ...
Since comments from Saundra Duffy, appyPappy, Hoosier Hick, TradicalRC, ThisLittleLightofMine were all related -- I put comments from these posters below & respond to them.

I still can’t find the veiled Mormonism that this woman is opposing. [AppyPappy]

Hey, when an author deliberately covers up Lds “prophet” David O. McKay’s title when quoting him (p. 294 of 7 habits) – calling him merely a “religious leader,” then, yes, that’s veiling Mormonism. When you cite someone positively without qualifiers, you’re basically telling the reader these are mighty fine people to read…and Covey did the same in quoting Ezra Taft Benson in the book. (Benson was also an Lds “prophet” – of course, NOT id’d as such by Cover-up Covey). Covey also quotes another Mormon leader, N. Eldon Tanner.

Also Covey recommends ”daily prayerful meditation” on what he focuses on – the Mormon scriptures on p. 292. (Only, he leaves out the Mormon reference; hence, ‘tis veiled)

I was introduced to this book through work years ago, I had no idea who Covey but as I read it, my inner radar screamed something is not right about this....I later found out Covey was a Mormon. Not a bad book,but it does reek of Mormon good works… [ThisLittleLightofMine]

Nothing in the 7 habits book struck me as Mormomist, either explicitly or implicitly…You could be a person of any faith and apply these simple practices that are more for focusing on good habits. [TradicalRC]

So, when a MORMON author cites three MORMON leaders in a book (Benson, McKay, Tanner), nothing explicitly MORMON jumps right out atcha? (OK)

I have been through the 7 habits, and found them to be very useful in the management of people. I found nothing theological about it, it is mostly philosophical. I will admit, though, several participants claimed to see veiled Mormonism… [Hoosier Hick]

Well, as mentioned above, when a Mormon author cites Mormon leaders without telling readers they are Mormon, then, yes, that’s a deliberate exclusion of the word Mormon/Lds, etc.

As far as supposedly ”nothing theological about it,” then ya wanna explain, Hoosier Hick, why Covey...
...has 5 references in the index about spiritual components? (Upward spiral of spiritual renewal; spiritual dimension in renewal)
...mentions the Mormon god on p. 319 & the Mormon lord on p. 309?
...recommends ”daily prayerful meditation” on the Mormon Scriptures? (p. 292)
...claims that “intrinsic security” comes from “within…correct principles deep in your mind and heart…Peace of mind comes when your life is in harmony with true principles and values and in no other way.”?? (p. 298)

Well, that sounds pretty exclusive. But you know, principles/values can be impersonal -- in contrast to even principles/values derived from a personal God. True peace comes from trusting God (Isaiah 26:3) – and being in harmony in RELATIONSHIP with Him! (It's not "pocketing" all the correct principles)

In Covey's book, I see few references to God or relating to Him. Instead, He places the emphasis on correct principles (pp. 295, 305, 309, numerous others), which is thoroughly Joseph Smith, who was big-time "principle" this and "principle" that...

Covey also claims a theology that wealth-power comes from within vs. the God who transcends us. (When you understand that Mormon authors think of themselves as gods-in-embryo, then of course, YOU are the power-generator).

Do you boycott his programs and books because he’s a Mormon? [Saundra Duffy]

OK, again, let’s address what THE root issue was in this story:
A CHRISTIAN woman woman objected to her kids, who are still immature in their spiritual discernment, from being subjected to...
...MORMON philosophy...
...under the guise of CHRISTIAN curricula.
So, if a CHRISTIAN school doesn’t carry MORMON-produced material, are you now joining the Deseret News/Mormon Times chorus that CHRISTIANS are boycotting MORMON materials? Really? (So, when LDS bookstores don’t carry CHRISTIAN published materials, so they’re boycotting CHRISTIANS? Are you consistent in holding that position?)

So, Saundra do you also object to PARENTS having the right to oversee what spiritual materials their kids will be force-fed @ school?

222 posted on 12/28/2009 6:07:44 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 213 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian
Nothing in the 7 habits book struck me as Mormomist, either explicitly or implicitly…You could be a person of any faith and apply these simple practices that are more for focusing on good habits. [TradicalRC]

So, when a MORMON author cites three MORMON leaders in a book (Benson, McKay, Tanner), nothing explicitly MORMON jumps right out atcha? (OK)

Yeah. Something is not MORMON simply because a MORMON said it. For example, they use the phrase Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So by your reckoning the name Jesus must be a Mormon thing and if you don't tell people that Mormons talk about Jesus then THAT's covert Mormonism!

Right.

223 posted on 12/28/2009 6:40:41 PM PST by TradicalRC (Secular conservatism is liberalism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 222 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Amazing!


224 posted on 12/28/2009 6:56:06 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 211 | View Replies]

To: SeaHawkFan

I think Beck would be quite surprised to learn much of what Mormonism teaches. He would see right through the fraud of Jopseph Smith.

- - - - - -
Possibly. He may already know or not care. He believes the LDS church has helped him with his alcohol addiction and far too many LDS stay in the church, even knowing the true history and doctrines for family/social/cultural reasons or becuase they believe that it is still “the best thing going”.

He may fear that the church is the only thing keeping him sober.


225 posted on 12/28/2009 7:06:58 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 220 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy
Jesus Christ is my Savior; He died for me to save me from my sins. This is Heavenly Father’s Plan and the Holy Ghost seals it in my heart.

It seems that you need MORE than this...


 
 

 
 
 
 



 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 
 

226 posted on 12/28/2009 7:07:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 212 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy
Glenn Beck is a Mormon. Do you boycott his programs and books because he’s a Mormon?

There are Mormon sports stars. Do you refuse to watch them play?

I’m sure there are many Mormon businesses in the world. Do you boycott them?

Are these folks PUSHIUNG their MORMONism?

227 posted on 12/28/2009 7:08:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 213 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy
 
It’s turned into a Mormon hating machine. How sad.
 
 
 
 
 
 
There you go again!

 

 

What IS it about MORMON members that they CANNOT tell the difference between

showing the heresy of their chosen religion

and HATE for an indivdual?


228 posted on 12/28/2009 7:11:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut
I am a lot more familiar with LDS beliefs than most Christians.

Hell!

You're more familiar than most MORMONS!!!

229 posted on 12/28/2009 7:12:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 215 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut
I am a lot more familiar with LDS beliefs than most Christians.

Hell!

You're more familiar than most MORMONS!!!

230 posted on 12/28/2009 7:12:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 215 | View Replies]

To: SeaHawkFan
...would create a serious public relations problem if he were to leave Mormonism.

He is, ahem, a bit outspoken!!

231 posted on 12/28/2009 7:14:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 220 | View Replies]

To: TradicalRC
Huh?

Are you a RomanCatholic?

Sticking up for the MORMON religious Organization?

232 posted on 12/28/2009 7:16:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 221 | View Replies]

To: TradicalRC
Huh?

HELLO!

We CHANGED our laws to eliminate slavery: the MORMON Organization has changed NOTHING about the fact that the Restored Gospel® cannot be found in the Book of MORMON.

233 posted on 12/28/2009 7:17:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 221 | View Replies]

To: TradicalRC
For example, they use the phrase Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. So by your reckoning the name Jesus must be a Mormon thing and if you don't tell people that Mormons talk about Jesus then THAT's covert Mormonism!
 
 
(We don't put these words into MORMON mouths: "Out of the abundance of the heart; the mouth speaks.")



"There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.
 
No, I don't.
The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
 
– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)


234 posted on 12/28/2009 7:22:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 223 | View Replies]

To: TradicalRC; Colofornian

You are obviously unfamiliar with the LDS practice (doctrine even) of “lying for the Lord”. This means, that to them, it is ok to lie, deceive, obscure, or omit things in order to further the LDS church as an organization.

Covey’s book uses deception by veiling LDS quotes and principles so that they are more palatable and therefore do not raise any red flags for the reader.


235 posted on 12/28/2009 7:32:43 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 223 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

You’re more familiar than most MORMONS!!!

- - - - -
I am beginning to realize that.


236 posted on 12/28/2009 7:34:07 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 230 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Everyone should watch “September Dawn” and read “Red Water”, too. I lost family members in that attack and I still can’t get over the irony of the date: 9/11.


237 posted on 12/28/2009 7:41:57 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

Same old, same old. Again, I ask you. Do you boycott Glenn Beck’s programs and books because he is a Mormon?

Do you refuse to follow football because Steve Young, quarterback for the 49ers, is a Mormon?

Would you refuse to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even though President Reagan referred to them as “America’s Choir”?

Do you think that BYU should be squashed, even though they provide a first-class education?

Do you think that starving people all over the world should refuse help from the Mormons?

Like I said, this is sooooo sad - that this thread deteriorated into a Mormon bashing exercise.

I love my Church. Steven Covey is a great man - he is actually famous and well thought of by good people all over the world. I doubt most people even know he is a Mormon. When I joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints I had heard of Steven Covey and had great respect for the man. Then I learned he was a Mormon.

It is crazy to condemn a good man who has done so much good in the world like this. It stinks.

Knock it off.


238 posted on 12/28/2009 8:39:11 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 228 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy; Elsie
Different questions from above, so I thought I would answer again.

Do you think that BYU should be squashed, even though they provide a first-class education?

Wouldn't really call it "first class" but I suppose it depends upon your major (and yes, I went there). As one of my grad advisors (History) said "You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV."

Would you refuse to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even though President Reagan referred to them as “America’s Choir”?

Didn't like the MoTab when I was LDS, so yeah I refuse to listen to them.

Do you boycott Glenn Beck’s programs and books because he is a Mormon?

Actually I do. I don't knowingly give any money to anyone who will pay tithing to the LDS.

Do you refuse to follow football because Steve Young, quarterback for the 49ers, is a Mormon?

Is he still quarterbacking? I haven't watched football in years

239 posted on 12/28/2009 8:50:29 PM PST by reaganaut ("You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV." - one of my grad advisors.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 238 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut
Do you boycott Glenn Beck’s programs and books because he is a Mormon?

Glenn Beck is a phony fawning wannabe who is working much too hard to do the work that has been done by Rush and Levin. His true colors show on occasion as he sucks up to the Mormon Royalty types when he himself has no chance of being one of them. He doesn't even realize that he as a n00b convert will always be an outsider from that Speshul Group.

240 posted on 12/29/2009 6:43:52 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the World comes to see America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 239 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy

Until I saw this thread (and the usual cast of anti-Mormon lunatics), I didn’t even know Covey was a Mormon. I read that book when I was in college, and don’t recall any pro-Mormon sentiment. Then again, I don’t sit around and obsess about the Mormons, like some on this site clearly do.


241 posted on 12/29/2009 6:49:49 AM PST by LanPB01
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 238 | View Replies]

To: Utah Binger

I don’t get this whole Glen Beck thing. I didn’t BEFORE I found out he was LDS. I saw him (and still do) as too much of a Rush wannabe.

And you are right, being a celebrity gains you more status in the LDS and some better jobs, but he will always be “looked down on” in favor of multi-generation “born in the Covenant” mormons like Mitt Romney.

Mitt will probably make GA someday, Beck never will.


242 posted on 12/29/2009 7:33:41 AM PST by reaganaut ("You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV." - one of my grad advisors.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 240 | View Replies]

To: Saundra Duffy

“Would you refuse to listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, even though President Reagan referred to them as “America’s Choir”?

Absolutely. Why watch people in a cult (deceived or knowingly) sing songs that cover up the truth of what
they teach? There are actual choirs of Christians out
there we can listen to...


243 posted on 12/29/2009 7:36:17 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 238 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

EX-BIC reporting for duty!


244 posted on 12/29/2009 7:43:28 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the World comes to see America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 242 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

Do you want to take 241 or shall I?


245 posted on 12/29/2009 7:47:10 AM PST by reaganaut ("You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV." - one of my grad advisors.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 241 | View Replies]

To: Utah Binger

EX-BIC reporting for duty!

- - - -
LoL. I was one of the lowly “converts”. Didn’t matter as much when I was in CA, but when I got to Utah, I was amazed at how many people (including my bishop) thought I was “less valiant” in the pre-existence since I was not BIC but converted. Of course, some assured me that I was more valiant than some since I joined as a teenager and therefore could serve a mission and be married in the Temple.

One of those was even my bishop.


246 posted on 12/29/2009 7:50:39 AM PST by reaganaut ("You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV." - one of my grad advisors.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 244 | View Replies]

To: All

CULT = religions I don’t believe in


247 posted on 12/29/2009 7:51:46 AM PST by bannie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bannie

CULT = religions I don’t believe in

- - - - -

Cult = those religious groups that either uses controlling methods to manipulate believers (sociological definition), or those that do not follow the tenets of traditional Christian beliefs (theological definition). There are fewer than you might think.

Here are some guidelines for you (both theological and sociological).

Apart from theological definitions of a cult, there are sociological definitions also. Foremost among these is mind control. This is detailed in Steven Hassan’s BITE model, described below...
Mind Control - The BITE Model Used by Cults
From chapter two of Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves*
*© 2000 by Steven Hassan; published by Freedom of Mind Press, Somerville MA
Destructive mind control can be understood in terms of four basic components, which form the acronym BITE:
I. Behavior Control

II. Information Control

III. Thought Control

IV. Emotional Control

It is important to understand that destructive mind control can be determined when the overall effect of these four components promotes dependency and obedience to some leader or cause. It is not necessary for every single item on the list to be present. Mind controlled cult members can live in their own apartments, have nine-to-five jobs, be married with children, and still be unable to think for themselves and act independently.
from http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/articles/BITE.htm

The BITE Model Applied Toward Mormonism’s
Two-Year Missionary Program
Note: The following information was submitted by a former Mormon
I. Behavior Control
1. Regulation of individual’s physical reality
a. Where, how and with whom the member lives and associates with
Yes. The church first sends the missionary to a specific mission, and then that mission’s president assigns the missionary to a specific geographical area with a specific companion. The pair must seek permission to leave the boundaries of their area, and must be together 24/7. They must always be in the same room as each other, except when going to the bathroom.
b. What clothes, colors, hairstyles the person wears
The church gives them detailed instructions on permissible clothing and hairstyles.
c. What food the person eats, drinks, adopts, and rejects
Coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco are forbidden. Whether or not you abstain from caffienated soft drinks is often considered an indication of your level of dedication. Missionaries are sometimes instructed to reject dinner invitations with members of the church, unless the member also invites a non-member to the dinner party.
d. How much sleep the person is able to have
Missionaries must arise by 6:30 A.M. and retire by 10:30 P.M.
e. Financial dependence
The church gives each missionary a small allowance of money on a monthly basis (each missionary is required to give a specific amount—something like $400 to the church per month. It is typically paid by the parents. The church then gives an allowance to each missionary based upon the cost of living in their mission. For example, a missionary in Japan might receive $1000 per month, while a missionary in Honduras might receive $65 per month.)
f. Little or no time spent on leisure, entertainment, vacations
Missionaries are allowed 8.5 hours per week of “Preparation Time”. In this Preparation Time they are expected to wash clothes, shop, get haircut, clean apartment, write letters home, and if any time is left engage in approved recreational and cultural activities. No entertainment or vacations.
2. Major time commitment required for indoctrination sessions and group rituals
Missionaries are required to study from the approved material for 2 hours every morning, and have frequent meetings of further training meetings.
3. Need to ask permission for major decisions
Yes, permission must be sought for almost anything.
4. Need to report thoughts, feelings and activities to superiors
Yes. Detailed logs of the missionaries’ activities are kept and sent to the mission president on a weekly basis. They have monthly one-on-one meetings with the mission president, who interrogates them regarding their thoughts, feelings, worthiness, and so forth.
5. Rewards and punishments (behavior modification techniques- positive and negative).
If you obey the rules, are loyal, and work hard, you will be promoted to be a leader over other missionaries. A District Leader supervises a group of about 6 missionaries, a Zone Leader supervises about 20, and the mission president has 2 Assistants who help him supervise the entire mission. The higher you get in the hierarchy, the more benefits —prestige, automobiles, travel around the mission, and so forth. It is a lot funner to supervise people who are doing missionary work than to actually do it.
6. Individualism discouraged; group think prevails
No individualism.
7. Rigid rules and regulations
Extraordinarily rigid.
8. Need for obedience and dependency
One of the primary purposes of life is to test our obedience to God—which in practical terms means obedience to God’s leaders. Financial independence is encouraged. There is a fair amount of talk about spiritual independence, but they are ensured that true answers to their prayers will always be in harmony with the mainstream church.
II. Information Control
1. Use of deception
a. Deliberately holding back information
b. Distorting information to make it acceptable
c. Outright lying
See below
2. Access to non-cult sources of information minimized or discouraged
a. Books, articles, newspapers, magazines, TV, radio
The missionary handbook says, “Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church and your mission president….Avoid watching television, viewing unauthorized videocassettes, and listening to the radio and unauthorized audiocassettes.” (p. 13, 22) Including the scriptures, there are about 10 books that missionaries are allowed to read.
b. Critical information
See above.
c. Former members
Discouraged.
d. Keep members so busy they don’t have time to think
Kept very busy, with detailed instructions on how to spend every hour of every day.
3. Compartmentalization of information; Outsider vs. Insider doctrines
a. Information is not freely accessible
Unauthorized information is forbidden.
b. Information varies at different levels and missions within pyramid
The leaders have more access to mission gossip, but in general the entire mission is governed by the same rules of no unauthorized information.
c. Leadership decides who “needs to know” what
Yes, the leadership decides what books and cassettes to put on the authorized list.
4. Spying on other members is encouraged
a. Pairing up with “buddy” system to monitor and control
According to the missionary handbook, “Never be alone. Companionships generate strength and protection. Working two by two is the Lord’s way, you can protect each other from temptation and from false accusers. You can also support each other in bearing testimony (see Ecclesiastes 4:9-10)….
“As companions, pray, study, and plan your work together each day. Take time at least once a week for additional planning and companionship inventory. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose, and help each other succeed. Always address your companion by the appropriate title (Elder or Sister).
“You and your companion are to sleep in the same bedroom, but not in the same bed. You should arise and retire together each day; you should not stay up late to be alone.” (p. 24-25)
b. Reporting deviant thoughts, feelings, and actions to leadership
“If your companion is having difficulties with the work or in personal matters, be sensitive to those problems and seek advice from your mission president. Although you should be loyal to your companion, you must realize that any indiscretion or violation of missionary standards may threaten his or her effectiveness and salvation. Care enough for your companion to ask for the mission president’s help before a problem becomes a crisis.” (p. 24)
5. Extensive use of cult generated information and propaganda
a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audio tapes, videotapes, etc.
Yes—only expose yourself to authorized information.
b. Misquotations, statements taken out of context from non-cult sources
Not applicable.
6. Unethical use of confession
a. Information about “sins” used to abolish identity boundaries
b. Past “sins” used to manipulate and control; no forgiveness or absolution
Not really—once they declare you are forgiven it is water under the bridge.
III. Thought Control
1. Need to internalize the group’s doctrine as “Truth”
a. Map = Reality
b. Black and White thinking
c. Good vs. evil
d. Us vs. them (inside vs. outside)
Yes. The missionaries are given a very black and white view of the world, “The Lord desires the conversion of each soul.” (p. 3)
2. Adopt “loaded” language (characterized by “thought-terminating clichés”). Words are the tools we use to think with. These “special” words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous “buzz words”.
Yes. Must use titles rather than given names. Communication is typically forced into a specific speech pattern called “The commitment pattern”. They frequently “bear their testimonies” which mean assuring each other that they “know the church is true”.
3. Only “good” and “proper” thoughts are encouraged.
Absolutely.
4. Thought-stopping techniques (to shut down “reality testing” by stopping “negative” thoughts and allowing only “good” thoughts); rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism.
a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
Absolutely.
b. Chanting
No.
c. Meditating
Not in a formal or rigorous way.
d. Praying
Yes.
e. Speaking in “tongues”
No.
f. Singing or humming
Yes. They are often instructed to sing a hymn to themselves if they have an impure or negative thought.
5. No critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy seen as legitimate
Absolutely. One of the solemn covenants of the temple is to never “speak ill of the Lord’s anointed”.
6. No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful
Other belief systems can be good and useful, but the Mormon Church is God’s one and only true church, and that the highest level of salvation is impossible without it.
IV. Emotional Control
1. Manipulate and narrow the range of a person’s feelings.
Yes. If you are acting righteously then you will feel the spirit. Always strive to feel that particular feeling.
2. Make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always their fault, never the leader’s or the group’s.
Yes. The members aren’t perfect but the gospel and the organization of the church are perfect. Leaders might make mistakes, but they are given the benefit of the doubt.
3. Excessive use of guilt
Yes. The scriptures promise that you will baptize lots of people if you are righteous, (“The field is white, all ready to harvest”) But you must have faith and be righteous. If you don’t have a lot of success and converting others, the problem must be your lack of faith and disobedience.
a. Identity guilt
1. Who you are (not living up to your potential)
Individual Mormons are given special blessings in which they are invariably informed that in the previous life they were the valiant elect of God, and that that is why their spirits were sent to earth to fight for the cause of righteousness during these last days. The mission is usually a major part of their blessings, and they are often promised to have specific experiences as missionaries, including leadership and conversion experiences. These things will happen if and only if they are faithful and obedient.
2. Your family
Missionaries are promised that if they work hard and are obedient, their family will be blessed, both physically and spiritually.
3. Your past
Sexual “sins” are considered very bad in Mormonism, and it is sometimes taught that in order to be completely forgiven of such sins, you must bring many souls unto Christ.
4. Your affiliations
No affiliations to feel guilty about exist.
5. Your thoughts, feelings, actions
Children in the church are constantly taught that your mission will be “the best 2 years of your life.” If you don’t feel that they are the best 2 years of your life, if you aren’t productively converting people, and aren’t keeping your thoughts focused on righteous, faithful things, immense guilt will usually follow.
b. Social guilt
c. Historical guilt
Probably not.
4. Excessive use of fear
a. Fear of thinking independently
Thomas S. Monson, the number two man in the church, recently said in a church magazine, “Should doubt knock at your doorway, just say to those skeptical, disturbing, rebellious thoughts: ‘I propose to stay with my faith... I accept God’s word. I wasn’t with Joseph, but I believe him. My faith did not come to me through science, and I will not permit so-called science to destroy it’.” (Ensign, Feb 2001)
b. Fear of the “outside” world
Yes. Simple things such as leaving your area to go down town or going swimming are considered very major sins that will likely cause great evil.
c. Fear of enemies
Possibly—missionaries see themselves in a big fight of good against evil.
d. Fear of losing one’s “salvation”
Yes. You must endure to the end to gain salvation—if you screw up the effect could ripple across generations.
e. Fear of leaving the group or being shunned by group
Quitting your mission is leads to incredibly high stigma.
f. Fear of disapproval
Depends on the individual.
5. Extremes of emotional highs and lows.
Yes. Missionary life is often characterized by a few bursts of inspiration and success surrounded by months and months of drudgery. If you are righteous you should feel the spirit—especially as a missionary—so if you don’t feel wonderful it is your fault for not being worthy.
6. Ritual and often public confession of “sins”.
Every month the missionary has a private interview with the mission president where he is encouraged to confess his sins.
7. Phobia indoctrination : programming of irrational fears of ever leaving the group or even questioning the leader’s authority. The person under mind control cannot visualize a positive, fulfilled future without being in the group.
a. No happiness or fulfillment “outside”of the group
Absolutely.
b. Terrible consequences will take place if you leave: “hell”; “demon possession”; “incurable diseases”; “accidents”; “suicide”; “insanity”; “10,000 reincarnations”; etc.
Absolutely. In a particular scene in the temple ceremony, the devil is about to be banished. Before he is, he says, “Aah! You have looked over my kingdom, and my greatness and glory. Now you want to take possession of the whole of it. (He then looks at the people going through the ceremony) I have a word to say concerning these people. If they do not walk up to every covenant they make at these altars in this temple this day, they will be in my power! “
c. Shunning of leave takers. Fear of being rejected by friends, peers, and family.
Yes.
d. Never a legitimate reason to leave. From the group’s perspective, people who leave are: “weak”; “undisciplined”; “unspiritual”; “worldly”; “brainwashed by family, counselors”; seduced by money, sex, rock and roll.
Absolutely. The group is God’s one and only true church, and the missionary has the unique responsibility and opportunity of helping God save people. A huge responsibility with tremendous opportunity for blessings.
A story that is often repeated among missionaries and prospective missionaries is a scene of two pre-mortal spirits awaiting their “callings” to come to earth. One of the friends is thrilled to be called to a righteous Mormon family, where he will be born “into the covenant” and sealed to his parents upon birth. To both of their horrors, the other friend isn’t being sent to a Mormon family, but rather to a non-Mormon family in a distant land. Right before they are born in their respective circumstances, the one spirit desperately pleads to the other “Find Me!”
The implication is that there is very little value to life without the church, and that you have a friend out there who is desperately waiting for you to bring them the gospel.
An alternate version of the story is after our mortal life, and a spirit who never heard about the gospel learns that he was supposed to hear about it, but the particular missionary who was called to bring the gospel to them wasn’t faithful enough or obedient enough to find them. In utter despair, the spirit approaches the missionary who committed the faux pas and harshly reproaches him for not doing his duty and bringing him the gospel. The fallout of disobedience ripples out as this person’s friends and progeny lose the opportunity to live and spread the gospel.

MARKS OF A CULT
1. Extra-Biblical revelation. (BoM, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants).
2. Salvation by works. (”we are saved after all we can do”)
3. Uncertain Hope. (Try asking a Faithful Mormon if they are going to get into the Celestial Kingdom. They will ALWAYS respond with something like “I hope so”.)
4. Presumptuous Messianic leadership. (Joseph Smith’s restoration of the only “gospel” that will get people back into the presence of God)
5. Doctrinal ambiguity. (A prophet is a prophet only when he is speaking as such).
6. Denunciation of others. (see above post)
7. Claim to special discoveries. (temple rites and rituals, secret handshakes, etc)
8. Defective Christology. (Jesus is our “older brother” and had to earn His Godhood.)
9. Segmented Biblical attention. (Taking scripture out of context)
10. Entangling organizational structure. (Engulfing
a person into a web of entrapment)
11. Financial and time exploitation (One of the temple oaths is to dedicated “all of your time, talents and money” to the building up of the LDS church)


248 posted on 12/29/2009 8:01:56 AM PST by reaganaut ("You went to BYU? I wouldn't put that on my CV." - one of my grad advisors.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 247 | View Replies]

To: Utah Binger
...."who is working much too hard to do take credit for the work that has been done by Rush and Levin"

Beck has done some good work, for example teaming up with Andrew Breitbart, but he has tied his little red caboose to the Conservative Train that has been chugging along for decades with Rush as the engineer and others like Levin as the firemen.

The "Cult of Beck" you can see on FR is actually pretty hilarious. Where else would you see FReepers idolizing someone with Beck's admitted character flaws? Kind of reminiscent of the ObaMessiah worshipers!

249 posted on 12/30/2009 9:18:30 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 240 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut
Coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco are forbidden.

Glad to be a papist.

250 posted on 01/06/2010 5:10:40 PM PST by TradicalRC (Secular conservatism is liberalism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 248 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 101-150151-200201-250251 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson