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BINARY EXPLOSIVES: FROM DISCUSSION TO IMPLEMENTATION
INTERNET HAGANAH.com ^ | December 26, 2009 | Aaron Weisburd

Posted on 12/26/2009 2:37:05 PM PST by Cindy

SNIPPET: "Discussion: I first observed discussion of binary explosives on the al-Firdaws forum in January of 2007. In light of recent events I will post here my archive:"

SNIPPET: "Implementation: On Christmas Day, 2009, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab boards a flight in Amsterdam, bound for Detroit, and on final descent he attempts to set off what was most likely a binary explosive. Thank goodness he either screwed up or had bad instructions, because the chemicals he was working with were evidently quite good."

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1 posted on 12/26/2009 2:37:09 PM PST by Cindy
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To: All

stepping back in time...

http://internet-haganah.com/harchives/005860.html

14 January 2007
“FUN WITH BINARY EXPLOSIVES
Binary explosives are bad, bad stuff.”

SNIPPET: “The jihadis have not yet learned how to make the stuff, but they have enough chemical engineers in their ranks that it should only be matter of time.”


2 posted on 12/26/2009 2:38:43 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

WHY are Muslims allowed to fly???!?


3 posted on 12/26/2009 2:39:13 PM PST by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: All; Squantos; Jet Jaguar; Oorang

ON THE INTERNET:

s88179113.onlinehome.us/2009-12-26/page1.html

www.alfirdaws.org/vb/printthread.php?t=24133&pp=40

s88179113.onlinehome.us/2009-12-26/page2.html

www.alfirdaws.org/vb/printthread.php?t=24133&pp=40


4 posted on 12/26/2009 2:40:04 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy; All

A rhetorical question to all:

Had he not have screwed up, would the FBI have determined that a fire caused by electrical wires running through the Center Wing Tank started the fire and caused the explosion?


5 posted on 12/26/2009 2:41:17 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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RECAP:

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/December/09-nsd-1383.html

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASESaturday, December 26, 2009
Nigerian National Charged with Attempting to Destroy Northwest Airlines Aircraft

WASHINGTON - A 23-year-old Nigerian man was charged in a federal criminal complaint today with attempting to destroy a Northwest Airlines aircraft on its final approach to Detroit Metropolitan Airport on Christmas Day, and with placing a destructive device on the aircraft.

According to an affidavit filed in support of the criminal complaint, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, a Nigerian national, boarded Northwest Flight 253 in Amsterdam, Netherlands on December 24, 2009 and had a device attached to his body. As the flight was approaching Detroit Metropolitan Airport, Abdulmutallab set off the device, which resulted in a fire and what appears to have been an explosion. Abdulmutallab was then subdued and restrained by the passengers and flight crew. The airplane landed shortly thereafter, and he was taken into custody by Customs and Border Patrol officers.

A preliminary FBI analysis found that the device contained PETN, also known as pentaerythritol, a high explosive. Further analysis is ongoing. In addition, FBI agents recovered what appear to be the remnants of the syringe from the vicinity of Abdulmutallab’s seat, believed to have been part of the device.

“This alleged attack on a U.S. airplane on Christmas Day shows that we must remain vigilant in the fight against terrorism at all times,” Attorney General Eric Holder said. “Had this alleged plot to destroy an airplane been successful, scores of innocent people would have been killed or injured. We will continue to investigate this matter vigorously, and we will use all measures available to our government to ensure that anyone responsible for this attempted attack is brought to justice.”

Abdulmutallab required medical treatment, and was transported to the University of Michigan Medical Center after the plane landed. He will make his initial court appearance later today.

Interviews of all of the passengers and crew of Flight 253 revealed that prior to the incident, Abdulmutallab went to the bathroom for approximately twenty minutes, according to the affidavit. Upon returning to his seat, Abdulmutallab stated that his stomach was upset, and he pulled a blanket over himself. Passengers then heard popping noises similar to firecrackers, smelled an odor, and some observed Abdulmutallab’s pants leg and the wall of the airplane on fire. Passengers and crew then subdued Abdulmutallab and used blankets and fire extinguishers to put out the flames. Passengers reported that Abdulmutallab was calm and lucid throughout. One flight attendant asked him what he had had in his pocket, and he replied “explosive device.”

These prosecutions are being handled by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Michigan, with assistance from the Counterterrorism Section of the Justice Department’s National Security Division.

The investigation is being conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, US Customs and Border Protection, and the Joint Terrorism Task Force.

The public is reminded that criminal complaints contain mere allegations and a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

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6 posted on 12/26/2009 2:41:47 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Lazamataz

“WHY are Muslims allowed to fly???!?”

I’m surprised they have time, the way they are always in the streets demonstrating against acts of terror and trying to stop violence committed in their name...


7 posted on 12/26/2009 2:42:24 PM PST by jessduntno (I think "you'll get what you deserve" is a promise. A socialist thinks it is a threat.)
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To: Cindy

I bet the coward chicken out!


8 posted on 12/26/2009 2:42:37 PM PST by FreeperFlirt
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RECAP:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/petn/index

#

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2415386/posts?page=87#87

Quote:

To: Lurker; Cindy

Same stuff the shoe bomber used or tried.....semtex, dupont, ensign bickford, royal ordnance, etc all use it as a primary. ANFO is a .60, Military Dynamite is .80, TNT is 1.0 and C-4 is 1.34 on the relative equivalency scale and PETN is 1.66 on same scale before you get into insensitive / sensitive exotics used in nukes etc ....

You can get this in a medical form, from cannibalizing uxo on a battle field or by stripping det cord.

Last but not least you can buy it, say you blew up 30 pounds of it , keep 10 pounds for yer buddies......common in military and construction to keep a little around for “emergencies”........

I read that somewhere........;o)

87 posted on December 26, 2009 11:33:02 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)


9 posted on 12/26/2009 2:42:56 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Lazamataz
WHY are Muslims allowed to fly???!?

The real question is: Why is anyone who doesn't provide a PASSPORT even allowed to get on a plane going to the US????

10 posted on 12/26/2009 2:43:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Cindy
After this episode, the 72 virgins will be of little use.
12 posted on 12/26/2009 2:45:03 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: UCANSEE2

Jack Cashill alert.

No, they would not. PETN leaves a very distinctive chemical signature. Discovering that that was the cause of the explosion would not have been difficult.


13 posted on 12/26/2009 2:45:15 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Cindy
"......The device intended to blow up the Northwest flight was made at the location in Yemen, according to Abdulmutallab, and consisted of a six-inch packet of powder and a syringe with a liquid. Both were sewn into the student's underwear so they would be near his testicles and unlikely to be detected, he told agents...."

Ouch!!!!!!!

14 posted on 12/26/2009 2:47:32 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Cindy

Maybe he should have practiced more. Or maybe a binary explosive to too advanced for the Muzzie to get his 7th Century brain around.


15 posted on 12/26/2009 2:49:16 PM PST by upchuck (The plan for 2010: Pray; Raise/conserve cash; Pray; Pay your debts; Pray; Stockpile; Buy ammo; VOTE!)
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To: Lazamataz

Because they invented magic carpets ?


16 posted on 12/26/2009 2:50:48 PM PST by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Cindy
. Both were sewn into the student's underwear so they would be near his testicles and unlikely to be detected, he told agents...."

Maybe he still got a Darwin Award.

17 posted on 12/26/2009 2:52:46 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Cindy

23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab being taken into custody on Flight 253.

18 posted on 12/26/2009 2:52:48 PM PST by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Napolitano is too busy tracking people with anti-communists bumper stickers.


19 posted on 12/26/2009 2:52:53 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Cindy

23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab being taken into custody on Flight 253.

20 posted on 12/26/2009 2:53:05 PM PST by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: Lazamataz
Why are Muslims manning airport “security” checkpoints?
21 posted on 12/26/2009 2:54:46 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Cindy
I have a suspicion of what they used. It might be a burning agent, not explosive.
22 posted on 12/26/2009 2:55:22 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cindy
“This alleged attack on a U.S. airplane on Christmas Day shows that we must remain vigilant in the fight against terrorism at all times,” Attorney General Eric Holder said.

Alledged?

23 posted on 12/26/2009 2:58:06 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: centurion316

“Discovering that that was the cause of the explosion would not have been difficult.”

I don’t think that’s what the poster meant.


24 posted on 12/26/2009 2:58:26 PM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: COUNTrecount

Thanks for posting the photo COUNTrecount.


25 posted on 12/26/2009 2:58:36 PM PST by Cindy
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To: PLMerite

I know what the poster was talking about, hence the Jack Cashill reference.


26 posted on 12/26/2009 2:59:41 PM PST by centurion316
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To: jessduntno

“WHY are Muslims allowed to fly???!?”


Ditto!!!!

“WHY are Muslims allowed to fly???!?”


27 posted on 12/26/2009 3:02:19 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Paleo Conservative
I wonder if the "burned leg" simply did not include the rest?

There was another case of a terrorist detonating a rectum bomb!

Fears over 'internal' terror bomb

Those Imams can really get these idiots all WEEWEED UP.

28 posted on 12/26/2009 3:02:38 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Lazamataz

muslims should only be allowed on muslim country carriers

NO exceptions

They don’t like that ? Let them reform their cult .


29 posted on 12/26/2009 3:06:34 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Cindy

Maybe they should start using PROFILING, instead of searching everyone, which is clearly not working too well to detect potential terrorists, it only inconveniences passengers.


30 posted on 12/26/2009 3:08:21 PM PST by SmartInsight (Dems in power are a clear and present danger to our freedom and the survival of our nation.)
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To: Lazamataz

Obama has to be able to get to Hawaii and other vacation locations.


31 posted on 12/26/2009 3:11:56 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: Cindy

bm


32 posted on 12/26/2009 3:16:30 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Cindy

I wouldn’t think that a black Nigerian would have a strong likelihood of success in most any technical undertaking.

Just a guess.


33 posted on 12/26/2009 3:17:16 PM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Lazamataz

WHAAAT? Why would you want to discriminate against Muslims, you numbskull? They should be flying en masse to the fartherest corners of the earth to spread the word of their great religion of peace!

;)


34 posted on 12/26/2009 3:20:14 PM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Que the piano......

Great Balls of Fire!!!!


35 posted on 12/26/2009 3:20:42 PM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Cindy

I suspect that the basic design of this device was defective for the simple reason that due to the syringe, the liquid could only be introduced far too slowly into the powder. The instant that enough liquid came in contact with powder that ignition was achieved, the flash blew all remaining powder away, thus rendering the device useless as a destructive device beyond the resulting flames.


36 posted on 12/26/2009 3:21:27 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Lazamataz

Ones I threw out of Helicopters couldn’t fly at all.....


37 posted on 12/26/2009 3:22:49 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Cindy
June 1st, 2009 Did they ever figure out the problem on flight AirFrance 447 from Rio to Paris?

Lightning, center tank wiring? I'm sure, never ever think the M word, or heaven help us, the thought of a terrorist.
38 posted on 12/26/2009 3:25:16 PM PST by Issaquahking (Help Sarah Palin! go to - http://www.conservatives4palin.com - You know what to do!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I have heard on good authority that the terrorists we’ve been involved with overseas from a burial aspect have been adulterated in a manner of speaking. Even the bodies turned over to families have had some “foreign” substances inserted.

If the Muslim prohibitions truly have effect, the terrorists never got to Muslim heaven. I suspect after death our souls are aware of certain things. It must suck to know that something they received after death immediately canceled out that big attaboy they got.

The info’s out there. The radical Imans have been trying to suppress it.


39 posted on 12/26/2009 3:25:24 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: theBuckwheat

Let me add that in order to destroy an aircraft of this size, the bomb would have to disable some critical structure or control system. Placing a small amount of explosive next to an outer wall would result in a hole, loss of cabin pressure and maybe some passengers but probably not the loss of the aircraft. Placing the bomb in the crotch implies that there is a leg between the device and the outside wall, something that only reduces the damage to the aircraft.

(Makes damage to the bomber guaranteed, but to the airplane not so much, in this case, that is exactly what happened.)

see also: http://internet-haganah.com/harchives/006712.html


40 posted on 12/26/2009 3:29:30 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Cindy
We're spending billions on homeland security, and your survival might end up based on hand-to-hand combat with an armed terrorist on a plane in mid-flight.
41 posted on 12/26/2009 3:32:33 PM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes, terrorism would have been ruled out immediately.


42 posted on 12/26/2009 3:33:43 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: centurion316; UCANSEE2

Perhaps the correct question is what would the official public version be.

At least two US airliners have been brought down in very similar circumstances.


43 posted on 12/26/2009 3:33:47 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: UCANSEE2

A rhetorical question to all:

Had he not have screwed up, would the FBI have determined that a fire caused by electrical wires running through the Center Wing Tank started the fire and caused the explosion?

Excellent observation...well done!!!


44 posted on 12/26/2009 3:37:06 PM PST by thinking
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Squantos; Oorang; Velveeta

Re Internal Bomb...

I have a thread covering the “rectum bomb” here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2326391/posts


45 posted on 12/26/2009 3:37:12 PM PST by Cindy
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To: meatloaf

I am sure the Imams would trick up their theology to allow for that. These guys are talking to the gullible set anyway.


46 posted on 12/26/2009 3:38:59 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Fido969

Yes..really, in my opinion; it can (and sometimes does) come down to that.

I don’t know if you’ve ever been a victim of a personal crime(s); I have.

When you have a split second to act — what will you do?

Will it be a “deer in the headlights” moment or will you just do what you have to do to rectify the situation?

In my opinion, in today’s world; people must ponder thoughts like these.


47 posted on 12/26/2009 3:40:27 PM PST by Cindy
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; Cindy; fanfan; Oorang; Velveeta; LucyT; ExTexasRedhead; Nachum; ...
Why are Muslims manning airport “security” checkpoints?

Authorities had been aware of Flight 253 jihadist for at least 2 years

Same link: US jihadists planned to target Pakistan nuke plant

Obama administration appoints Muslims to key Homeland Security posts--but__they're moderates, aren't they?

Islamists penetrate Western Security

The West's Islamist infiltrators

More Pentagon jihadis

Pentagon jihadis

Why should we take a chance?

Spy agencies fear some applicants are terrorists

48 posted on 12/26/2009 3:43:43 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: All; amom

Off Thread Topic:

Thanks to the suspect’s father for attempting to do the right thing. -Cindy

#

Thanks to amom for pointing to thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2415466/posts

Suspect’s Father Told U.S. of Son’s Extremism
New York Times ^ | December 26, 2009 | Eric Schmitt and Eric Lipton
Posted on December 26, 2009 1:37:37 PM PST by reaganaut1

The Nigerian man accused of trying to ignite an incendiary device aboard a trans-Atlantic jetliner on Friday came to the attention of American officials at least “several weeks ago,” but the initial information was not specific enough to raise alarms that he could potentially carry out a terrorist attack, a senior Obama administration official said on Saturday.

The investigative file was opened after the father of the suspect, Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, warned officials at the United States Embassy in Nigeria of his son’s increasingly extremist religious views, the official said.

“The information was passed into the system, but the expression of radical extremist views were very nonspecific,” said the senior administration official, who has been briefed on the inquiry but spoke on condition of anonymity because it is continuing. “We were evaluating him, but the information we had was not a lot to go on.”

The incident prompted a significant change to airline security on Saturday. Domestic and international passengers will not be allowed to move about aircraft during the last hour of a flight, and there will be extra screening of baggage at airports.

It was unclear whether Mr. Abdulmutallab’s name was entered into the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment list, which includes people with known or suspected contact or ties to a terrorist or terrorist organization. That list is maintained by the United States National Counterterrorism Center. It includes about 550,000 names.

Those people, however, are not necessarily placed on the federal government’s so-called no-fly list, which prohibits persons entering the United States because of known or suspected terrorists links. Mr. Abdulmutallab was not on that list, federal officials say.

Mr. Abdulmutallab [...] was carried off the plane handcuffed to a stretcher, his trousers sheared off.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


49 posted on 12/26/2009 3:43:46 PM PST by Cindy
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To: theBuckwheat

bomb in the crotch implies that there is a leg between the device and the outside wall....

But this mad-man was sitting over the fuel tanks, and force would have been directed downwards into the fuel tanks....taking the family jewels out as well....so much for 72 virgins.....


50 posted on 12/26/2009 3:44:12 PM PST by thinking
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