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No charges for Calif. officer who kicked suspect (VIDEO of pursuit and kick)
msnbc.msn.com ^ | 12.30.09 | msnbc.msn.com

Posted on 12/30/2009 9:55:07 PM PST by dragnet2

LOS ANGELES - Los Angeles County prosecutors have decided no charges will be filed against a suburban police officer who kicked a surrendering suspect in the head after a dangerous car chase.

Rodriguez, a parolee heavily covered in gang tattoos, was lying face-down on the ground during the May 13 incident, which was broadcast by a TV news helicopter. After four officers converged on Rodriguez, two of them did a "high five."

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To: HiTech RedNeck; dragnet2; JLS
I'm wondering what you guys think about the Navy SEALs being court martialed for allegedly punching a terrorist.

Let's assume we all just looked at a video of the SEALs punching the terrorist in the face while in the act of apprehending the terrorist. I assume two of you would advocate the court martial?

101 posted on 12/31/2009 5:30:14 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: thefactor

Know too little about that case to remark about the facts. If they singled out a few SEALs from hundreds of similar incidents it seems blatantly unfair on the surface.

But anyhow, what was to be gained in THIS case (not the SEALs case) except a few seconds of jollies on the part of the boys in blue? And maybe a channel for the built up vitriol of a few on a rightist web site? Consequences can be a bear, and the Feds have no money issues like California does (they can always print more).


102 posted on 12/31/2009 5:35:30 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, I am sure it is in there somewhere. :0)

That crap has to stop before it becomes more common. What is going to happen if the police can willfully disregard the law? I can foresee a lot more dead public servants. That profession might actually become as dangerous as a construction worker’s. ;0)


103 posted on 12/31/2009 5:39:05 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I am unable to watch the video but I read about it.

Force was absolutely necessary in this case. However, perhaps the type of force used looked a little too harsh for some people.

When cops are subduing a violent perp who has just gone on a rampage, the act of lying on the ground would do little to comfort me. If I could see both of the perps hands extended from the body that would make me feel a little better.

Personally, I would have made sure another officer had this guy covered with a firearm, then put my firearm away, and then jumped on this guys back, leaned on his head and grabbed his hands. And I would have landed on him hard.

And yes, I am a cop. So I have more than a passing familiarity with this type of situation.

104 posted on 12/31/2009 5:41:09 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: seemoAR

The other (Federal) shoe is likely to drop on them and California knows it. This is one aspect of the two-edged sword of the relatively new Federal involvement in civil rights issues, producing an essential double jeopardy situation. There might be a temptation to wink locally at official misbehavior because Uncle Sam can be counted on to stomp (as he did with Rodney King).


105 posted on 12/31/2009 5:43:14 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Know too little about that case to remark about the facts. If they singled out a few SEALs from hundreds of similar incidents it seems blatantly unfair on the surface."

Wow...so you feel you know enough about this relatively unknown case to make a determination...more so than the officials who decided not to prosecute, apparently.

But as for the SEALs, who have been receiving national attention and much attention here...somehow, you've just missed it all, eh? lol Yeah, better to keep your mouth shut and be presumed a...well, you know how it ends. Too bad you couldn't show such discretion in this case.

"But anyhow, what was to be gained in THIS case (not the SEALs case) except a few seconds of jollies on the part of the boys in blue? And maybe a channel for the built up vitriol of a few on a rightist web site?"

Rightist...lol. Which "rightist web site" would you be referring to, if you don't mind? I like the implied sneer.
106 posted on 12/31/2009 5:43:21 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: thefactor

Watch it, then comment.


107 posted on 12/31/2009 5:43:48 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Spike Knotts

Like fools, all who have presumed to come against me can only mock and sneer themselves.

You know you’re wrong.


108 posted on 12/31/2009 5:44:29 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: thefactor

He was in the grip — of a K9 officer.


109 posted on 12/31/2009 5:45:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I will, but regardless of what I see I think I will stand by my assertion that some type of force was needed given this perp’s actions.


110 posted on 12/31/2009 5:47:28 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Spike Knotts
Which "rightist web site" would you be referring to, if you don't mind?

The caricature which Free Republic has been turned into by some characters to whom it is more like Redneck Rampage Republic or Statist Safety Republic.

111 posted on 12/31/2009 5:47:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: thefactor

You have basically said you don’t care about the facts so why should anyone care about what you think.


112 posted on 12/31/2009 5:48:27 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
No answer? Just insults? Well, if you dig deep and find the courage to answer, I'll be waiting.

Here's a quote for you to consider.

"You don't have to destroy your enemy...just his willingness to engage."

So why won't you engage?

"Like fools, all who have presumed to come against me can only mock and sneer themselves."

Even your boyfriend? Ooh, now that's how you lay down an insult. And man, that is some grandiose verbiage. Either you're listening to too much GWAR and don't realize it's all tongue in cheek or you need to lay off the fantasy novels. Fools who presume to come against me! Die you soon shall! Forever triumphant I shall reign in my blood stained halls! lol
113 posted on 12/31/2009 5:50:45 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

Ha ha LOL!


114 posted on 12/31/2009 5:51:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wow that's quite a change from your previous sentiment.

Now I can see why people are reacting so negatively to you. You're kind of a douche.

I readily admitted that I had not seen the video and gave a professional opinion based on prior experience.

I simply said that a criminal who had just gone on a rampage where he could have caused a number of deaths deserved some use of force to restrain. If you disagree with that, then there is no hope for you. And I hope you are never attacked by a criminal because you'll be at their mercy.

115 posted on 12/31/2009 5:55:08 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Ha ha LOL!”

Glad you liked it. Even gladder that you still chose not to answer.

Oh...you could answer...but you won’t.

I guess you don’t have kids. If you ever do, you’ll realize how tired that trick is on an adult...and how childish your act here is. I think your ego matches your rather over the top phraseology. Fools! Only fools don’t see your genius! lol.

Now...on to your next non-sequitur...unless you care to answer any of my original questions? I know you’ve already said you can’t, but I believe in second(third, fourth) chances.


116 posted on 12/31/2009 5:57:06 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

Look, the moment you decided to start talking gay, I knew you were mired hopelessly in sin.


117 posted on 12/31/2009 5:58:12 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Salamander
Maybe so but the dog literally passed with flying colors.

In the full training video, the dog goes after his handler's arm and won't release it . . . so, no.

118 posted on 12/31/2009 6:02:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Look, the moment you decided to start talking gay, I knew you were mired hopelessly in sin.”

I started talking gay? Who the hell said this...I can’t imagine anything more gay than the following quote by you. Would you say it to a person’s face? No, because you’d feel foolish. And if you did, you damned well better be sitting on a thrown and holding a scepter. And you’d probably still look stupid.

“Like fools, all who have presumed to come against me can only mock and sneer themselves.”

If you had to write a sentence defining gay, it would be someone who spoke like they were in a Richard Feist novel...but only on the internets. lol.

So why won’t you answer the questions? Do you think you’re fooling anyone? I mean, do you think you’re fooling us fools?

Your entire purpose here is to bog down threads with insults. You never debate...you make some idiotic leftist statement, make a feeble attempt at opposition, and then when you invariably start losing the “debate” you just resort to spamming insults. You’re not hard to figure out. There’s only about 500 million of you on the internet right now.


119 posted on 12/31/2009 6:04:37 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

Sheesh...I meant throne. Freudian slip perhaps?


120 posted on 12/31/2009 6:05:34 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

I closely paraphrase the Bible.


121 posted on 12/31/2009 6:07:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"The caricature which Free Republic has been turned into by some characters to whom it is more like Redneck Rampage Republic or Statist Safety Republic."

Rather ironic that a "HiTech RedNeck" would use redneck as a pejorative.

So then...I guess I can take your use of 'redneck' as an insult here...which would mean your name is intended as an insult as well.

Man you're easy to decipher. Since your name wasn't even chosen with sincerity, I think that says just about everything anyone needs to know about you. Kind of like how you can't ever trust a man wearing a toupee...because he's started off with a lie.
122 posted on 12/31/2009 6:08:37 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

Have you been spiked? Or are you tied up in knotts?

Rednecks don’t go on rampages unless they’ve gone stark raving mad.


123 posted on 12/31/2009 6:11:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Really? I wasn't aware they had added an 11th Commandment...so I looked it up and you were right.

"Thou shall not debate, thou shalt obfuscate."

Yep, you're a big believer all right. What does the Bible say about randomly insulting people who disagree with you? lol

Say, why do I keep asking you more...and more...and more questions...yet you never answer? Not a single answer. Truly you are a master debater. lol...anyone reading this knows the reason why you don't answer. Because you're a BS artist, and like all artists, you have trouble keeping your thoughts straight.
124 posted on 12/31/2009 6:11:17 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

I’m waiting for a single substantive argument against my position. Of all, only thefactor has come close to making this look reasonable, and he muffed it by declaring he has a closed mind regardless of what he sees.


125 posted on 12/31/2009 6:13:33 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Have you been spiked? Or are you tied up in knotts?

Rednecks don’t go on rampages unless they’ve gone stark raving mad.”

Oh, so now you pretend to not understand? lol...next you should just resort to repeating “que” over and over.

It is pretty easy to understand. You use redneck in your name. Since you also use it as a pejorative for people you don’t like, you obviously use it in an ironic/insincere fashion.

So that makes you a liar from the get-go. How about that?

Is it your contention then, that “most” of FR is now gone “stark raving mad?” Ooh, another question to hide from.


126 posted on 12/31/2009 6:14:06 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: Spike Knotts

Redneck Rampages (TM) are so unbefitting of self respecting Rednecks.

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said that the difference between the right word and the almost right word was like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug.


127 posted on 12/31/2009 6:16:42 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I’m waiting for a single substantive argument against my position.”

Well why didn’t you just say so?

Of course, since you refuse to accept ANY argument as substantive, and the only standards you use to judge the substance of an argument are your own mysterious rules...I guess you’ll be waiting a long time.

Who knew someone in an argument would believe that the other side lacks substance? I appreciate all these little gems you keep dropping...truly you have much World experience.

Say, answer the questions...why don’t you?


128 posted on 12/31/2009 6:18:20 AM PST by Spike Knotts
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To: dragnet2
Sorry sonny, but this SOB is a danger as long as it's breathing.

The say the same thing in some places about conservative gun-owners.

129 posted on 12/31/2009 6:21:05 AM PST by Tribune7 (Toll booths are devices funded by taxpayers to snarl traffic, waste gas and produce smog)
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To: Spike Knotts

The arguments almost all fall into the category of “he deserved it.” Well, that’s what the courts and penal system are for.

One or two have ventured “the police were still at risk.” I’d be willing to entertain that if the only one to seriously broach the subject didn’t state he had a closed mind.

QED


130 posted on 12/31/2009 6:26:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I wonder if Santa left any “teenage mutant ninja turtle pajamas” for these “public servants”.


131 posted on 12/31/2009 6:52:14 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: seemoAR

An odd observation: I was looking for new underpants in Wal Mart the other day. I couldn’t find any in my preferred brand, but eventually located the same size in another brand. They were camo patterned. Figuring that it doesn’t matter what doesn’t show, I got them. Only after I opened the package at home did I notice that three out of the four briefs were not just camo colored, but emblazoned with Jolly Rogers, that were not mentioned on the package. (Skull and crossbones.) NOW I know who to give the skull and crossbone undies to....


132 posted on 12/31/2009 6:58:08 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: RacerX1128

Not very Bible literate, are you?


133 posted on 12/31/2009 8:22:34 AM PST by TNdandelion (While Obama plays with his balls, Afghanistan falls.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Too bad it wasn’t a bullet to the head instead of a boot.

Many times it is...Must drive the liberal sympathizers of these violent, racist career criminals, nuts.

Can you imagine this gangster cockroach goes on a 35 minute death pursuit, causing multiple crashes of innocent people, all on video tape, and some of these people here cry and whine about the cop kicking this violent, racist criminal? wow....

134 posted on 12/31/2009 9:00:25 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dennisw
Good posts. This cucaracha looks like an MS13 grandpa.

Thank you.

3 types I will never tolerate are, child molesters, religious terrorist fanatics and violent career criminal gangsters... All deserve a bullet in the head.

I would imagine the only thing worse would be those that sympathize with the above, as seen on this thread.

135 posted on 12/31/2009 9:06:48 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

We have a lot of cop hating pot smoking libertarian Freepers....

High speed chases are always very dangerous to the public. Just for that this guy should have been given a serious beating. I know it can’t be done these days due to the ACLU etc....But it used to be done and the criminals got part of their punishment on the street


136 posted on 12/31/2009 9:20:01 AM PST by dennisw (T)
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To: TalBlack
TalBlack?

That's an odd moniker...You're wearing your skin color on your sleeve?

Look, the prosecutors and the DA decided not to charge the two Police officers. Is this not good enough for you? It clearly chapped the hides of several other sympathizers of violent, racist career criminals that appeared on this thread.

If you don't like their decision, feel free to go protest outside city hall, or call CNN and complain.

137 posted on 12/31/2009 9:20:23 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: seemoAR

Dumb enough to expect Peace Officers to obey the law. How dumb are you? ;0)

xxxxxxxxxx

What law did they break??

Officer just gaining control of thug..

Samae as mace, stungun, stun them into peaceful compliance.


138 posted on 12/31/2009 9:51:52 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm)
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To: dragnet2
“That's an odd moniker...You're wearing your skin color on your sleeve?”

Right off the bat you punk out with bullshit.

“Look, the prosecutors and the DA decided not to charge the two Police officers.”

WTF does it mean, that the cops are innocent? How so?

“It clearly chapped the hides of several other sympathizers of violent, racist career criminals that appeared on this thread.”

And here you are, back where you started; name calling as well as justifying a beating someone other than yourself is getting.

Gratuitous beating administered by cops is unmanly, unconstitutional and un-American. Resorting to a technicality such as the DA refusing to press charges is your own admission that you have no argument. It doesn't have anything to do what was clearly done by the cops and it is the best evidence anyone needs that you or someone you care about has a much better chance of getting his teeth pushed down his throat by some cop is regards himself as the law.

139 posted on 12/31/2009 9:56:21 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: JLS; dragnet2

“You need to get yourself on the correct side of the law.”

Oh, PULEEZE! This gangbanging narco terrorist, who probably is in the country illegally, was the one on the WRONG side of the law!


140 posted on 12/31/2009 10:03:35 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: TalBlack
TalBlack?

That's an odd moniker...You're wearing your skin color on your sleeve?

Right off the bat you punk out with bullshit.

Punk out? I asked a simple legitimate question. I find your moniker really odd Mr. TalBlack.

Look, the prosecutors and the DA decided not to charge the two Police officers. Is this not good enough for you? It clearly chapped the hides of several other sympathizers of violent, racist career criminals that appeared on this thread.

WTF does it mean, that the cops are innocent? How so?

Are you stoopid? It means exactly what it says, Mr. Tall Black ...They were not going to charge them. You don't know what that means?

If you don't like their decision, feel free to go protest outside city hall, or call CNN and complain.

Gratuitous beating administered by cops is unmanly, unconstitutional and un-American.

Read the thread slick, the DA and the prosecutors are not going to charge them, whether you like it or not.

141 posted on 12/31/2009 10:16:48 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
3 types I will never tolerate are, child molesters, religious terrorist fanatics and violent career criminal gangsters... All deserve a bullet in the head.

I'm eager to see the record showing anywhere close to this amount of fulmination from you about the Christmas day panty bomber. Come on, post the links.

142 posted on 12/31/2009 10:38:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LOL, ya just posted it...

I see you made some friends on this thread...They shinned the floor up really good with you too...

I know you were saddened and felt the this violent, racist career criminal gangster was treated unfairly....You’ll just have to deal with it junior.


143 posted on 12/31/2009 10:51:55 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

That attitude says a lot. Was the man on the ground? He is lucky. A drunk woman was arrested in Shreveport, LA several months ago. There was a video camera recording her meeting with the local Police. She was in handcuffs and got loud mouthed. The lone Policeman was throwing her around then walked over and turned the video camera off. When he turned it back on, she was on the floor in a pool of her own blood. She said the Cop beat her, He says she fell and injured herself.

That police officer was fired. I guess in your opinion,she deserved it. ;0)


144 posted on 12/31/2009 10:54:10 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: dragnet2

You are spouting nonsense.


145 posted on 12/31/2009 11:27:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
3 types I will never tolerate are, child molesters, religious terrorist fanatics and violent career criminal gangsters... All deserve a bullet in the head.

You are spouting nonsense.

lol...

Your tagline gave us all a good laugh here. Thanks for the laughs...

146 posted on 12/31/2009 12:19:15 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Really, if “all of you” can only flaunt your bible illiteracy (including at least one who has “read it cover to cover”), then “all of you” can be safely dismissed as lightweights.

As for the gangster? Sentence him to rot in jail till he dies for all I care. It appears he did enough on this one jag to earn that. But as the government only seems to gain power, we should be ever more leery of letting legal restraints off of it, from the Oval Office to the beat officer on the street. This should be as easy to understand as A-B-C at a place so purportedly devoted to freedom as this is.

And as for your strawman arguments? Let them burn up in the fires of scrutiny.


147 posted on 12/31/2009 12:29:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Sentence him to rot in jail till he dies for all I care. It appears he did enough on this one jag to earn that

Ya think?

148 posted on 12/31/2009 12:33:54 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Ya betcha. Add the endangerments, the threats, the sordid past, and the violated probation and you got yourself an effective LWOP.

But don’t go kicking him in the head after catching him just because you’re fuming mad.


149 posted on 12/31/2009 12:36:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The DA and the prosecutors are not going to charge them, whether you like it or not.

If you don’t like their decision, feel free to go protest outside city hall, or call CNN and complain.


150 posted on 12/31/2009 12:45:56 PM PST by dragnet2
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