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Attorney Stephen Pidgeon to Glenn Beck
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Posted on 01/05/2010 7:16:47 PM PST by Man50D

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To: newheart

Ah yes, the axelgreasy talking point of conflating citizen with natural born citizen. Carry on, obamanoid.


161 posted on 01/06/2010 11:19:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Man50D; All
Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.

Is there video of such a debate?

162 posted on 01/06/2010 11:21:31 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: MHGinTN
Ah yes, the axelgreasy talking point of conflating citizen with natural born citizen. Carry on, obamanoid.

Oh yes, you have found me out. I've been hanging around FR since 1998 just so I can carry water for Obama.

Kindly show me where, in law, the definition of natural born citizen precludes someone born to a foreign father. I can be persuaded, but not by insults.

163 posted on 01/06/2010 11:27:12 AM PST by newheart ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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To: patlin

They urge,”Swallow lies!”
“Be Gods, not kooks”, they wink,smirk
as we naked, gorge!


164 posted on 01/06/2010 11:30:07 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: newheart
Poseur, if you've been that long then you've read the numerous references to historical assertions of what natural born citizen menas. You've also seen the references to the recent Senate hearings conducted by Patrick 'leaky' Leahy done to varified that McCain was a natural born citizen. Your little game of 'I'm only asking innocent questions to see some proof' is getting stale, obamanoid.

BTW, are we supposed to believe you've been reading FR since 1998 when your sign-on birthday is more recent? ... You stealth agit props are accomplishing something worthwhile by exposing your liberal sycophancy with this affirmative action liar-in-chief defense ... if Freerepublic lasts past Barry's time in office.

165 posted on 01/06/2010 11:35:21 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: newheart

ping


166 posted on 01/06/2010 11:46:50 AM PST by FreeperFlirt
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To: MHGinTN

So the law really has no particular sway in your mind? All I am asking is for you to show me, in settled law where natural born citizen is defined the way you say it is. If you can do that, I will gladly shut up.

If you would do that it would seem to be a much more fruitful approach to dialogue than simply hurling insults. That sort of thing doesn’t work in court either which is why I believe the court cases have gained little traction. Too many in the birther community operate based more on a blind hatred of Obama than on reason and fact. Until that changes they will continue to be mocked (rightly or wrongly) by Obama’s supporters. And by the way, if you would bother to read my comments in the forum you will see that I am in no way an Obama supporter.

Also, for the record, if you would merely click on the name ‘newheart’ in any of my posts it will link you to my about page to clarify my date issue. And I will gladly log in under my old handle if that is the proof you require.


167 posted on 01/06/2010 11:47:41 AM PST by ObfusGate ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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To: newheart
My reading of that sentence would lead me to think that as of August 4, 1982, Obama would no longer have dual citizenship and would only be, by his birth in Honolulu, a U.S. citizen.

How did he become a Kenyan citizen at birth if he was born in Honolulu???

168 posted on 01/06/2010 11:51:17 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: MHGinTN; newheart; ObfusGate

MHG,
In case it slipped your attention, the post from Obfusgate was from me, newheart.


169 posted on 01/06/2010 11:52:16 AM PST by newheart ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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To: newheart
There is a difference between being a citizen and a natural born citizen.
170 posted on 01/06/2010 11:55:00 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Jim Robinson

How many screen names are posters encouraged to use now?


171 posted on 01/06/2010 11:55:04 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Cicero
In any case, I think the thing is to persuade Beck and Rush that their listeners really want them to raise this issue. But this should be done in a way that doesn’t threaten to wreck their shows.
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How do we do that.

I am willing to bet that they have received e-mails by the hundreds of thousands begging them to cover Obama’s eligibility. It seems that disrupting their shows is the only way to show that this time we really mean what we say.

172 posted on 01/06/2010 11:58:10 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Uncle Chip
How did he become a Kenyan citizen at birth if he was born in Honolulu???

If his father really was BO, Sr. then he had, at birth, dual citizenship and it is very common. I have a good friend, a naturalized US citizen who was born in Spain, and is married an American woman. His seven children have dual citizenship in both Spain and the US. But there is no debate over whether they are natural born citizens of the US. They most certainly are.

173 posted on 01/06/2010 11:58:22 AM PST by newheart ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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To: wintertime
There is a difference between being a citizen and a natural born citizen.

That may well be the case. I would simply like for someone to show that to me in either the Constitution, the US Legal Code, or relevant, current case law.

174 posted on 01/06/2010 12:00:51 PM PST by newheart ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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To: MHGinTN; newheart

These “innocent” little questions are getting old. I agree. They are nothing more than DOJ talking points that have been thoroughly refuted and answered literally hundreds of times here on Free Republic.

It really is simple.

People who don’t defend the Constitution ( **all** of it) are NOT conservative! Yes, it is that simple!


175 posted on 01/06/2010 12:11:46 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: newheart
If his father really was BO, Sr. then he had, at birth, dual citizenship and it is very common.

Then Obama didn't and doesn't meet the definition of "natural born citizen" arrived at by the Senate staffers who researched the subject thoroughly in their 2008 Senate resolution SR511 -- the same as that defined way back in the Venus decision: born in the country of parents who are its citizens.

176 posted on 01/06/2010 12:15:14 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: wintertime

You might take note that there have been strong repercussions for using more than one screen name on threads, yet this poster seems proud that he/she/it can use two active IDs on the same thread. The obamanoids are still a protected species at FR ... be careful.


177 posted on 01/06/2010 12:17:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: wintertime

Now it plays the ‘no controlling legal authority that I will recognize as valid’ card. Typical lack of imagination most of the obamanoids show. McCain’s American citizenship was not in doubt, but his natural born citizenship status was the issue still!


178 posted on 01/06/2010 12:20:02 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

The Obamanoids seem to violate the rules wherever they go with impunity —


179 posted on 01/06/2010 12:20:38 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: wintertime
They are nothing more than DOJ talking points

Of course they are. I get a fax from Eric Holder every single morning so I will know what to think. When you say asked and answered on FR hundreds of times yet you choose not to provide links to anything, much less something definitive, perhaps I am not the one who is a poseur.

180 posted on 01/06/2010 12:22:04 PM PST by newheart ("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
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