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Obama, Dems Agree to Closed-Door Health Negotiations (Will the MSM finally call out the liars?)
Fox News ^ | 1/5/2010 | Fox News

Posted on 01/06/2010 4:18:47 AM PST by tobyhill

President Barack Obama and congressional Democratic leaders agreed Tuesday to bypass a conference committee and keep negotiations to reconcile the Senate and House health care reform bills a closed-door affair.

They concluded that the House will work off the Senate's version, amend it and send it back to the Senate for final passage, according to a House leadership aide, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the private meeting.

Obama held an Oval Office meeting Tuesday evening with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and his No. 2, Sen. Dick Durbin joined in by phone.

Obama himself will take a hands-on role in the final health care talks, convening another meeting with congressional leaders at the White House on Wednesday, the aide said.

The aim is to get a final bill to Obama's desk before the State of the Union policy address sometime in early February.

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1 posted on 01/06/2010 4:18:48 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

No.


2 posted on 01/06/2010 4:19:34 AM PST by sport
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To: tobyhill

Now we will finally get some of that transparency they’ve been telling us about.


3 posted on 01/06/2010 4:21:08 AM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: John.Galt2012

Um......we’ve been gettin’ it all along. You know; it just depends on what the meaning of transparency is.


4 posted on 01/06/2010 4:22:55 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Dockery for Gov.)
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To: tobyhill

0bama said he would be transparent...

0bama: “WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SECRET HELLTHCARE DISCUSSIONS, AND I AM LETTING YOU KNOW BECAUSE I PROMISED TRANSPARENCY.”


5 posted on 01/06/2010 4:23:48 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: tobyhill

Except for Fox, all others are just ignoring the topic.


6 posted on 01/06/2010 4:27:12 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: tobyhill

What do you call a person who lies cheats and steals from others? Easy, they are called Democrats.

How is that hopey-changey working out for you now? Probably next time when someone shows you a video tape of the racist lying crap that the president wanna bee’s preacher is spewing, may want to listen closely.


7 posted on 01/06/2010 4:27:51 AM PST by Tarpon ( ...)
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To: JohnLongIsland

Every FReeper could email, call news media today about this issue and demand they cover it!

Of course we all know Obamao and the Demonrats have been just the opposite of bipartisan and transparent.

But, most in the country do not know.

We can call and write (probably write) local and national media asking why they have not published this “behind closed doors” method of transparency that these liars are using!


8 posted on 01/06/2010 4:32:31 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: tobyhill

They cower in darkenss because they are scared of the light... evilcrats all... to be a dim is to be damned to hell.

LLS


9 posted on 01/06/2010 4:34:16 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: JohnLongIsland

Actually, I was channel surfing yesterday afternoon and CNN was talking about it.


10 posted on 01/06/2010 4:35:16 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: tobyhill

SCUMBAGS!! There is no other word for these DEMORATS!!
They depend on Illiterate, Dumb, Illegal Bodies that are many times DEAD to “VOTE” themselves into Office with the Sole Objective of Destroying Our Great AMERICA that Our Parents and Their Parents for Generations gave their Lives for OUR PRECIOUS FREEDOMS!! and now these SCUMBAGS are doing every Traitorous Act to Destroy OurFreedoms and Lives with an Illegal Village Idiot from KENYA as their so-called TOTUS!! OUTRAGEOUS!!


11 posted on 01/06/2010 4:38:16 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: JohnLongIsland; tobyhill
Way, way down in the Washington Post health care reform story today, I found this:

Republicans aren't invited, and they complained that the Democrats intended to deliberate behind closed doors - though lawmakers often do so in the final stages of such complex legislation. Separately, the head of C-SPAN, the nonpartisan public affairs network, called for letting the sun shine in on the discussions - as Obama once had promised.

12 posted on 01/06/2010 4:38:16 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia
Gibbs pretended he didn't know anything about Obama’s pledge even though it was brought up at least 4 times during the press conference. The MSM will now claim that they covered it and that's all.
13 posted on 01/06/2010 4:40:02 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Heard on talk radio:

Obamascare cost savings proposal transfers women's breast exams to the TSA.

14 posted on 01/06/2010 4:40:53 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: JohnLongIsland

Brain Lamb and C-Span are not ignoring it. Might even wake up the people that the press pimps keep peddling their STD (systemic transmitted deceits) to.


15 posted on 01/06/2010 4:41:32 AM PST by BilLies
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To: tobyhill

The Democrats MUST have closed-door hearings. How can they possibly do any good with those moronic Republicans breathing down their necks in open meetings?

There is also that group of pesky citizens who love guns, read their bibles and misbehave at those town hall meetings. They make life miserable for all those compassionate, loving, brilliant Democrats.

If anything good is to happen, it must be done on a unilateral basis by the Democrats without the millstone of having to listen to a bunch of idiots who think it’s O.K. to dissent.

After all, the Democrats won, didn’t they?

/S/

IMHO


16 posted on 01/06/2010 4:41:49 AM PST by ripley
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To: John.Galt2012

They are transparent. You can see right through them and their schemes.


17 posted on 01/06/2010 4:42:14 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: tobyhill

Prolly. Nevertheless I would like to see them keep the drumbeat going, playing the clip of the President calling for it to be broadcast on CSPAN over and over and over.


18 posted on 01/06/2010 4:42:51 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

They will probably hold the meetings at night like rats.....


19 posted on 01/06/2010 4:44:24 AM PST by stumptalker
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To: missnry

“Hell-thcare”? Apt. Thanks.


20 posted on 01/06/2010 4:44:24 AM PST by JohnQ1 ("(BHO) can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know." - A Lincoln)
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To: tobyhill

Ok - just read the story at local liberal TV news - http://www.wral.com/business/story/6748382/

They did include the “behind closed doors” information - but only in the LAST paragraph - and ONLY in reference to how the Dems and Peloosi especially had reacted (defensively) to “claims” this final part of the process was going behind closed doors!

Here is the paragraph:

“Democrats reacted defensively to criticism that they are taking the final, most crucial stage of the debate behind closed doors, contending they’ve conducted a transparent process with hundreds of public meetings and legislation posted online. Republicans seized on a newly released letter from the head of the C-SPAN network calling on congressional leaders to open the final talks to the public, and cited Obama’s campaign trail pledge to do just that”

And here is what this report said Pelosi responded:

“Asked about that promise, Pelosi remarked, without elaboration, “There are a number of things he was for on the campaign trail.”

I thought I had read here on FR the Pelosi reiterated that this has been the most transparent Congress ever!

Ha ha ha ha - guess even WRAL couldn’t stomach publishing THAT lie.


21 posted on 01/06/2010 4:46:56 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: tobyhill
2010 Tax Day Tea Party in Washington, DC -- APRIL 15, 2010

Now is the time to plan to be there. We need 20+ million...AT LEAST!

22 posted on 01/06/2010 4:53:41 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: La Lydia

What did CNN say?


23 posted on 01/06/2010 5:00:25 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

“They are transparent. You can see right through them and their schemes.”

See right through? They don’t even try to hide what they are doing!


24 posted on 01/06/2010 5:01:53 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

They reported that Brian Lamb was asking Pelosi et al to allow CSPAN cameras to be there when negotiations are under way, and they reported that Obama had promised CSPAN cameras would be there so that the “American people” would know what was going on. I don’t remember if they played the Obama clips.


25 posted on 01/06/2010 5:03:33 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
“Asked about that promise, Pelosi remarked, without elaboration, “There are a number of things he was for on the campaign trail.”

Wow! Did she really say that?

26 posted on 01/06/2010 5:04:21 AM PST by livius
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To: tobyhill

Some of my friends are saying, “No,” some are saying, “NO!” Some are saying other things, but I just pledge not to start the executions.


27 posted on 01/06/2010 5:04:54 AM PST by JohnQ1 ("(BHO) can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know." - A Lincoln)
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To: La Lydia

Thanks


28 posted on 01/06/2010 5:05:02 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: tobyhill

I’ve mentioned this before. Get ready for one of the biggest propaganda rallies, television, radio, etc., in history with this so called “State of the Union” address. One of the main reasons for the rush.

....With props, plants. Plants in the “union” audience suppose to be so greatly benefited from this faked, forced, duressed “health” bill. And wait for Dodd, Dorgan, and the other retirees to be introduced and saluted for their “fine service to the American people”...accompanied by standing roaring ovations...probably already planned with John McCain, and other RINOS right next to Dodd smiling shaking hands. Get ready for it!

This “Healthcare” fake...nothing but a debt based pension system (based on owed labor like the Federal Reserve), THAT CAN BE LEVERAGED, at any time and anyway they want, at the expense of everyone except Washington and the Eastern Beltway. Guaranteed private labor by the threat of force.


29 posted on 01/06/2010 5:18:09 AM PST by Varsity Flight
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To: tobyhill

When the first frost hits hell and I dont care how cold it gets.


30 posted on 01/06/2010 5:21:21 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: tobyhill
Obama himself will take a hands-on role in the final health care talks...

FAILURE!

31 posted on 01/06/2010 5:32:18 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tobyhill

When I sent this news to my grown son, he wrote the following back to me:

“From the opening day of the [Constitutional] Convention it was known that the brain-storming discussions would require frequent shifting of positions and changing of minds. For this reason the Convention debates were held in secret to avoid public embarrassment as the delegates made concessions, reversed earlier positions, and moved gradually toward some kind of agreement.” (From The Five Thousand Year Leap)


32 posted on 01/06/2010 5:35:42 AM PST by Anima Mundi (The trouble with trouble is it starts out as Utopia)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I thought I had read here on FR the Pelosi reiterated that this has been the most transparent Congress ever!

I found references to what you say, but no source for those words. I believe it was a question lobbed at her by a reporter recently. I did find these lies, though.

"There has never been a more open process for any legislation," Pelosi said at a press conference.

"We will do what is necessary to pass the bill," Pelosi said.
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), assistant to the Speaker, said the healthcare bill had been "subjected to unprecedented level of public scrutiny."

After emerging victorious in the November 7, 2006 elections Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi pledged "to lead the most honest, the most open and the most ethical Congress in history."

“As president,” Obama said,
“I will make it impossible for congressmen or lobbyists to slip pork-barrel projects or corporate welfare into laws when no one is looking because when I am president, meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public. No more secrecy.”

In the inimitable words of Congressman Joe Wilson:
YOU LIE!!!

33 posted on 01/06/2010 5:41:50 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: tobyhill

The only thing the MSM will “call out” for is an offer for passes... “ Calling all dems - get your pass here - get your free pass here - calling all dems...”


34 posted on 01/06/2010 5:47:24 AM PST by GOPJ (You don't have to eat all of a rotten egg to know it's rotten.)
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To: tobyhill

the greatest BS of all is that “benefits” will commence in 2014.

This is simply a Democratic Tax Bill with a “Healthcare” tag on it to make it harder to argue with...you know ...for the “wimmin and chyldrun” ....no benefits will ever be paid out.

Look at what they’re doing to Medicare in terms of “promised benefits” versus delivered beefits...and this is from the same clowns whose election campaigns collude with the Media to scare old folks that the Republicans will cut your benefits.


35 posted on 01/06/2010 5:49:22 AM PST by mo
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To: Varsity Flight
Get ready for one of the biggest propaganda rallies, television, radio, etc., in history with this so called “State of the Union” address.

And not only that, but the MSM's narrative will cause a huge spike in O's ratings, and will vastly improve the Dem's chances in November, including the possibility that they may increase their margin in the Senate.

36 posted on 01/06/2010 7:01:06 AM PST by nwrep
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To: tobyhill
FR link to the phone numbers for many senators local offices...just in case their DC voice mail is full.

Link senators local office phone numbers

37 posted on 01/06/2010 7:02:25 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts and taxes on the most vulnerable the disabled, seniors and Veterans)
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To: GailA

Okay...I was going to start a thread myself...(but search worked!!!)

I called my US Senators (local) offices:

Cannot get thru (which is very odd) to Sen. Specter’s Pittsburgh office. They are always most responsive and seem to have adequate phone lines. Maybe still on some type of ‘holiday’ staffing? But I will keep trying.

Called (and surprisingly) got thru to Sen. Casey’s office. Politely, yet firmly voiced by displeasure that Health Care discussions are STILL being held behind closed doors and that Sen. Casey, by his lack of public comment, is endorsing this.

I was told ‘the Senator has made no official statement on the negotiations and he is not party of the party leadership’ and I (again, politely yet firmly) stated ‘he is NOT responsible for the interests of the Democratic Party...he is responsible to the taxpayers of Pennsylvania (those that he sold out for the special interests of Nebraska, Louisiana, and Vermont voters). Dead silence. I was told ‘my opinion’ would be passed on to the Senator (yea right!!!). He would NOT take my address/name to send me any follow up (like they would anyway) BUT he did ask for my zip code. Which I gave. So....

They can ‘discount’ public calls, IMO, by NOT taking the actual voter/name address...and just relying on zip codes only. Much easier to say ‘seminar’ callers when the only requirement for verification is a five digit zip code.

And again...my opinion...BUT I WANTED TO GIVE MY ADDRESS!!!

Why not take my info???


38 posted on 01/06/2010 7:19:02 AM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (BOOM! Taste my nightstick! Sarah, making Shatner sound Shakespearan.)
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"You lie!"
39 posted on 01/06/2010 8:01:28 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (New Year's Resolution: Never, ever, ever again vote for anyone with a (d) after their name.)
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To: La Lydia
and they reported that Obama had promised CSPAN cameras would be there so that the “American people” would know what was going on. I don’t remember if they played the Obama clips.

They played that clip on the local AM talk show here in Austin today. A couple of libs called in and said that "All elected officials break campaign promises". You Tube video below.

Watch the clip, just before the one minute mark.

40 posted on 01/06/2010 8:07:56 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (New Year's Resolution: Never, ever, ever again vote for anyone with a (d) after their name.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

We need people with exactly that statement on a protest sign walking in front of the White House, every single day until next presidential election day in November 2012.


41 posted on 01/06/2010 8:58:32 AM PST by bergmeid (obama. With a small o.)
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To: tobyhill

“Obama and Dems Agree”

Now, theres’ a surprise headline.


42 posted on 01/06/2010 9:10:26 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

This is bondage.

We who are about to die of taxation curse you.

D@mn you all.


43 posted on 01/06/2010 9:19:19 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Anima Mundi
“For this reason the Convention debates were held in secret to avoid public embarrassment as the delegates made concessions...”

While it is not a “lie”, it does withold certain “truths”. The Constitutional Convention was open to opposing parties. This 0bamanation is NOT. It is explicit in its exclusion of the GOP. Also, the Founders did not run around saying the discussions were going to be wide open to the public and then turn around and to the exact opposite.

Satan and demoncrats speak in half-truths

44 posted on 01/06/2010 9:33:47 AM PST by Wunpac (I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: tobyhill

OF course they won’t even let the minority party sit in for audit and input. It will be fun watching him eventually fall.


45 posted on 01/06/2010 9:39:19 AM PST by Always Independent
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To: mo
This is simply a Democratic Tax Bill with a “Healthcare” tag on it to make it harder to argue with...

DING DING DING !!! WE HAVE A WINNER !!!

46 posted on 01/06/2010 9:43:12 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: tobyhill

This process is an OUTRAGE.


47 posted on 01/06/2010 9:49:41 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Cheney was proven right so quickly, Obama inviting terrorist attacks, TWO & counting)
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To: Just A Nobody

bttt, great idea


48 posted on 01/06/2010 9:50:52 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Cheney was proven right so quickly, Obama inviting terrorist attacks, TWO & counting)
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To: tobyhill

49 posted on 01/06/2010 9:53:31 AM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: tobyhill

“Obama, Dems Agree to Closed-Door Health Negotiations (Will the MSM finally call out the liars?)”
++++++++++++++

All I have to say about that headline question is: Don’t hold your breath. The RAT press is carrying water like good little boys and girls in the O Youth movement.


50 posted on 01/06/2010 10:47:53 AM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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