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To: Red Steel

My guess is that Barak Hussein Obama, currently President of the U.S., was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen.

However - my kid had to show his birth certificate to join a soccer team when he was 6. Why shouldn’t a candidate for the Presidency have to do the same?


14 posted on 01/11/2010 1:06:38 PM PST by RonF
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To: RonF

Yes, it’s completely aburd Obama will not voluntarily show his long form BC and many other of his life credential documents.


22 posted on 01/11/2010 1:12:49 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: RonF
If as Comrade Obama Jr claims his dad was Barak Hussein Obama Sr, of Kenya,
than it's not possible for Junior to be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.

At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich De Vattel, (1714-1767,) Law of Nations, 1758, § 212, "Of the citizens and naturals."

23 posted on 01/11/2010 1:13:42 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: RonF

BHO stated in his autobiography that he is NOT a natural born citizen because his father was a British subject. What part of “natural-born” do you not understand? It means that you were born to two US CITIZEN parents. Not one.


67 posted on 01/11/2010 2:04:21 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RonF
my kid had to show his birth certificate to join a soccer team when he was 6

A Certificate of Live Birth would have sufficed.
92 posted on 01/11/2010 2:29:19 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: RonF
My guess is that Barak Hussein Obama, currently President of the U.S., was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen.

He may have been born in Hawaii, but the alone does not make him a Natural Born Citizen. A natural born citizen is a child of citizens, plural. Although in the old days that would have probably been stated as the child of a citizen father, which he is not, by his own words. This is because in those days a woman's citizenship was that of her husband, so that way of speaking still fit the old definition of NBC, as a person born in a country of parents who are its citizens at the time of birth.

Although since he refuses to say which hospital in Hawaii he was born in, even Hawaiian birht is somewhat questionable, regardless of what his Birth Certificate might say. (IOW, it might say he wasn't born in a hospital, which would be unlikely for the time and his mother and grandparents socioeconomic status.)

219 posted on 01/11/2010 8:31:12 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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