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Arizona State University Forced to Stop Using Kindles Until They're Functional for Blind People
Phoenix New Times ^ | 14 jan 10

Posted on 01/14/2010 9:11:32 AM PST by rellimpank

Arizona State University has made a deal with the Justice Department to stop using popular electronic readers like the Kindle until they are made functional for the blind.

ASU is one of three universities participating in a pilot program that gave Kindles to students to see how they would work -- as opposed to actual books -- in the classroom.

The program started in May of 2009 and by June two different groups representing the blind got all butt-hurt and filed a lawsuit claiming that by using the devices, the universities were violating the Americans With Disabilities Act because they weren't easy for the blind to use.

Funny thing is that if the universities just kept the program a little hush-hush, the blind probably never would have known they were doing it. It's not like they can see students using Kindles.

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---"political correctness" gone wild--
1 posted on 01/14/2010 9:11:34 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

If one is crippled, all must be crippled.


2 posted on 01/14/2010 9:12:56 AM PST by glorgau
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To: rellimpank
the universities were violating the Americans With Disabilities Act because they weren't easy for the blind to use.

And paper books are easier for the blind to use?

3 posted on 01/14/2010 9:14:10 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: rellimpank; writer33

that sounds like a joke


4 posted on 01/14/2010 9:15:04 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: rellimpank

Somebody help me out here. Ok, what do they give blind people in lieu of the regular textbooks? So, why can’t they just keep the status quo for the blind students and allow everyone else to use Kindles. They’re at no more of an disadvantage than they were before.


5 posted on 01/14/2010 9:15:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rellimpank

Well, there are keypads in braille on the DRIVE-THRU banking machines...


6 posted on 01/14/2010 9:15:53 AM PST by wazoo1031
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To: rellimpank

So if a blind person can’t use them then nobody can? Nice. Idiots.


7 posted on 01/14/2010 9:16:09 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: PapaBear3625

this cannot possibly be serious


8 posted on 01/14/2010 9:16:30 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: rellimpank

Counting down the time till the Justice Dept. goes after the automakers for not offering braille steering wheels and dashboards.


9 posted on 01/14/2010 9:16:34 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Bush at his worst was still better than Obama at his best.)
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To: PapaBear3625; All

—in the same league as Braille at bank drive-up auto-tellers—


10 posted on 01/14/2010 9:16:42 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

yep...the Justice dept is focused on things like this, while they bury things like voter intimidation by one of 0bama’s prefered community organizing groups


11 posted on 01/14/2010 9:16:58 AM PST by mreerm
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To: reagan_fanatic

I guess then ZZ Top would have to drop “Arrested for Driving While Blind” from their set list.


12 posted on 01/14/2010 9:17:17 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rellimpank

So are regular textbooks also banned?


13 posted on 01/14/2010 9:18:22 AM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: rellimpank

Aren’t “pilot programs” supposed to be used to see how things would work out? As such wouldn’t they be exempt, since the program would expose the short comings such as “accessability issues” ?

Rhetorical questions.


14 posted on 01/14/2010 9:19:10 AM PST by SolidRedState (Someone finally found a spine and it is attached to an Alaskan Governor!)
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To: wazoo1031

“Well, there are keypads in braille on the DRIVE-THRU banking machines...”

I hope there is a cop stationed at them and arrest anyone using one!!!!


15 posted on 01/14/2010 9:20:11 AM PST by dalereed
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To: reagan_fanatic

They’ll be making the road sings in braille soon.


16 posted on 01/14/2010 9:20:18 AM PST by wazoo1031
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To: PapaBear3625

“And paper books are easier for the blind to use?”

Are TVs and video monitors banned as well?


17 posted on 01/14/2010 9:21:54 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: wazoo1031

sings = signs. I’m dylxseic today.


18 posted on 01/14/2010 9:22:25 AM PST by wazoo1031
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To: rellimpank

To introduce a note of levity here:

I went to a resort recently on my Harley and was invited to park my bike up a little ramp against a pillar.

A guest in a wheelchair complained bitterly about me doing that and threatened to have me fined, even though the ramp was not marked as a wheelchair ramp and led to nowhere in particular, except smack dab INTO the pillar.

But it was ENOUGH that it was a RAMP, and THEREFORE it BELONGED to the handicapped. LOL.

I love the people at the resort and go there frequwntly, so I moved the bike, but SHEESH!


19 posted on 01/14/2010 9:24:03 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: rellimpank

Interestingly stupid. My son will go blind at some point in his life (genetics) and I bought him a Kindle 2 Christmases ago. Actually it was supposed to be a family gift - but he absconded with it and does ask when he wants to download another book. He loves the way the Kindle can “read” to him, and the capability of the Kindle to adjust font size depending on how tired his eyes are. He usually goes through several books a week - this can get quite costly and room consuming - so the Kindle kills many birds with one stone (just wish I could eat those birds - might be quite tasty).


20 posted on 01/14/2010 9:26:26 AM PST by Core_Conservative (No longer a Republican - A Proud Constitutional Conservative)
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To: PapaBear3625
Why don't they ban all the books in the library unless they are offered in a Braille edition?

Why don't they ban issuing licenses to sighted drivers until the roads are modified to accomodate blind drivers?

21 posted on 01/14/2010 9:26:49 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: wazoo1031
Two story fire stations are required to either have elevators or cooking, bathroom and sleeping facilities on the ground floor to comply with ADA.

On the braille keypads at drive through ATMs, I believe that's done simply because they use the same keypads for the drive through and walk up ATMs. I don't know of any fast food restaurants that have a braille menu at the drive through. According to some articles I've read, very few blind people can read braille anymore.

Most likely, this lawsuit is being filed to force the manufacturer to make it an audible reading device where the user can plug in ear phones and have the book read to him or her.

22 posted on 01/14/2010 9:29:14 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

I always found it odd that the signs in the DMV have braille on them. The first time I went to one (to get my learner’s permit) I noticed it next to the door for the test. I guess they must get a lot of blind people trying to get their driver’s license...


23 posted on 01/14/2010 9:31:23 AM PST by Echo4C
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To: rellimpank

The Microsoft Reader has a nice function that actually reads the text to you. It’s not perfect, but it would offer the blind a nice alternative to having someone else read the information to them.


24 posted on 01/14/2010 9:33:58 AM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: swain_forkbeard

have to next ban radio as the deaf can’t hear it.


25 posted on 01/14/2010 9:39:35 AM PST by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: Core_Conservative

So the Kindle does have the reading capability, reading the text out loud to the user? If so, what the heck is the basis for this complaint?


26 posted on 01/14/2010 9:40:24 AM PST by DoughtyOne (God, Family, Friends, Home, Town, State, the U.S., Conservatism, Free Republic & a dollar a day...)
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To: rellimpank
That's it, I am going to court! I have breathing problems and can't walk very fast, so because of this I am left behind but no more. I want the court rule that no one can walk faster than I can.

What a crock.

27 posted on 01/14/2010 9:40:29 AM PST by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: rellimpank
ASU didn't make the ruling. The Justice Department didn't do it either. PEOPLE made the ruling.

Advancing technology is systematically changing the way universities approach education, but we must be sure that emerging technologies offer individuals with disabilities the same opportunities as other students," Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez said in a statement. "These agreements underscore the importance of full and equal educational opportunities for everyone."

Of course the article cleverly only gives the name of the local lackey and not the state's AG. Who are THE PEOPLE who made the ruling? Who is the AG, who was the STUPID, IDIOTIC, MORONIC JUDGE that agreed with this absurdity? They are fully insulated here, unfortunately.

28 posted on 01/14/2010 9:40:51 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Echo4C

I guess they must get a lot of blind people trying to get their driver’s license...

They do and most live in Florida.


29 posted on 01/14/2010 9:41:15 AM PST by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: dfwgator

Granted, I graduated from BU in ‘80, but while I was in school the “gave” me nothing at all. All books were purchased with real cash money, and engineering texts weren’t cheap...

Besides, since they can’t actually read the screens, all they’d have to do is to show them how to use the ON/OFF button, then they’d be “equal” to everybody else.


30 posted on 01/14/2010 9:42:02 AM PST by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: rellimpank

I just received one as a gift and I’m pretty sure you can down-load books with sound. Depends on the book. Mine has a headphone pport.


31 posted on 01/14/2010 9:42:13 AM PST by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012...)
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To: rellimpank
Are they banned from reading actual books that the blind cannot also read?

This is absolutely absurd. Demanding that a DEVICE, as opposed to a building, be handicapped-accessible is ludicrous.

Do they demand the same of vehicles? ...chalk boards? ...projectors?

Insane.

32 posted on 01/14/2010 9:43:38 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: rellimpank

This ruling must have been pushed by those deaf people who are against surgery to restore some hearing to deaf kids. I can’t for the life of me understand why some people wouldn’t want the best quality of life for others.


33 posted on 01/14/2010 9:43:38 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: rellimpank

Easy solution. Stop taking fed $$.

Tell the feds to shove their ideas right up their Obamas.


34 posted on 01/14/2010 9:45:29 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: DoughtyOne

The loosing party in these Disability cases has to pay the attorney fees.

This is about lawyer fees.


35 posted on 01/14/2010 9:48:02 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: glorgau

36 posted on 01/14/2010 9:52:26 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: rellimpank

paging the Handicapper General. . .


37 posted on 01/14/2010 9:52:53 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: rellimpank

paging the Handicapper General. . .


38 posted on 01/14/2010 9:53:13 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: rellimpank
And paper books are easier for the blind to use?

Do not try to make sense out of liberalism and the scumbag Democrats.
Your head will explode.

39 posted on 01/14/2010 9:57:34 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: originalbuckeye

it is done by those who want to hold to the concept that sign language culture is just another language like german, english, italian or spanish.


40 posted on 01/14/2010 9:59:31 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: originalbuckeye
I can’t for the life of me understand why some people wouldn’t want the best quality of life for others.

It's the very basis of liberalism - - equal misery.
If liberals must be humorless, bitter malcontents then so should everyone.

41 posted on 01/14/2010 10:01:38 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: longtermmemmory
I understand that. But why would anyone not think that one’s life would be enhanced by restoring some sound to those who can be helped?
42 posted on 01/14/2010 10:03:13 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

By the way, this kind of thing presents a window into the irrational liberal hatred for Sarah Palin. They hate Sarah Palin because she is a happy and sunny optimist, and she smiles a lot. It is nothing more than that. No joke.


43 posted on 01/14/2010 10:04:36 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Also, I think they hate her for the fact that she chose to keep a pregnancy that resulted in a ‘damaged’ child. In that respect they are as bad as Margaret Sanger.


44 posted on 01/14/2010 10:10:09 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: rellimpank

There is no way to make a KIndle work for blind people! If they offer books on tape that is the option for blind people. Without a complete remodel to add sound which would probably make the KIndle too big they are unusable to blind people. Why is it that in every crowd there are one or two people who have to ruin things for everyone else?


45 posted on 01/14/2010 10:15:33 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Richard Kimball
Most likely, this lawsuit is being filed to force the manufacturer to make it an audible reading device where the user can plug in ear phones and have the book read to him or her.

The Kindle has that function, if the copyright owners agree to it.

46 posted on 01/14/2010 10:23:43 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: rellimpank
Say Hello to the Newest Kindle ----- snip ----

Read-to-Me: With the experimental Text-to-Speech feature, Kindle can read newspapers, magazines, blogs, and books out loud to you, unless the book's rights holder made the feature unavailable ----snip ----

47 posted on 01/14/2010 10:25:30 AM PST by SolidRedState (Someone finally found a spine and it is attached to an Alaskan Governor!)
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To: rellimpank

All computers should be banned for the same reason.


48 posted on 01/14/2010 10:25:30 AM PST by Tax Government (Democrats: dealers in economic crack.)
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To: rellimpank

I once heard the answer to that question about braille in drive throughs. The answer is that those keypads are mass produced for many things, not just drive through ATMs, and the companies that produce them find it cheaper to use keypads with braille on drive through ATMs than order a different set.


49 posted on 01/14/2010 10:26:39 AM PST by chargers fan
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To: subterfuge
but we must be sure that emerging technologies offer individuals with disabilities the same opportunities as other students," Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez said in a statement.

Why?

Maybe it's time to get rid of cars, since the blind can't drive them. Or radios, since the deaf can't hear them.

Typical liberal mentality is actually hurting those he is trying to help:
Technological progress is the main way to increase the productivity of labor which increases accumulation of capital which increases total productivity which increases supply which lowers prices which raises the standard of living of everyone including those with disabilities.

50 posted on 01/14/2010 10:26:40 AM PST by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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