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1.7 Billion Reasons to Defend Pat Robertson
Christian Newswire ^ | 1/13/10 | Gary L. Cass, Christian Anti-Defamation Commission

Posted on 01/14/2010 1:17:00 PM PST by ZGuy

It is excruciating to see the images of human suffering emanating from Haiti in the aftermath of the devastating earthquake. Prayers and practical compassionate care is truly needed.

But sometimes things are said in the midst of crises that exacerbate the already raw feelings of grieving people. So then what's all the fuss about Pat Robertson's remarks?

I first knew something was up while driving yesterday. I heard two national conservative talk radio personalities make some disparaging remarks about Pat Robertson, who, by the way, is one of the reasons they even have jobs. Pat was one of the most important leaders of a resurgent conservative movement.

When I got home I immediately looked up what Pat said and I was overwhelmed. But not by what Robertson had said, rather by the hype and hysteria of those who took an expression of genuine concern and hope for Haiti's future and used it to bash Pat.

Last week it was Fox News analyst Brett Hume's turn to be attacked because he dared to compassionately urge Tiger Woods to turn to Christianity and find forgiveness and redemption. Now it's Pat Robertson's turn.

Perhaps what we have here is a simple failure to communicate, but then again, what Pat said was not complicated. Or is it that there is so much contempt against Pat Robertson and /or what he represents, that no benefit of the doubt is to be afforded him? Or is there something else in play.

What exactly did Pat say that was so terribly egregious?

First he retold a very familiar story about the history of Haiti about a pact that was made by its revolutionary leaders. In exchange for help in throwing out the French Haiti would serve satan. Some have disputed this ever happened. But what is indisputable is Haiti's history ever since then has been one of incredible suffering.

To use Pat's words, Haiti's history was, "cursed, desperately poor." Then Pat went on to describe the incredible economic disparity between Haiti, which sits on one side of the Island of Hispaniola, and the Dominican Republic on the other side. So was Pat using "cursed" literally or metaphorically?

The modern cynic chaffs at any suggestion that there may be a connection between historical realities and unseen spiritual influences, or as the Bible calls it God's "blessing or cursing." Although most people are very comfortable with the notion that God blesses people, we are not at all comforted with the terrifying prospect that Almighty God might also curse.

The overwhelming majority of Americans believe in God and /or moral causality. Eastern religions call it Karma, but Christians call it God's Providence. I wonder if the reason that so many hate Pat is because he expressed what many Americans don't want to face- the moral and spiritual dimension of our lives.

As long as everything is going well we live as if we are never going to die. Then crisis hits and death slaps us in the face. Rather than humbling ourselves and searching our hearts like the Pilgrims did, we lash out at God and anyone who dares insinuate Him into our lives.

What the Robertson bashers left out is that finally, and with great compassion and concern in his voice, Pat said, "They need to have, and we need to pray for them, a great turning to God and out of this tragedy I am optimistic that some good thing may come, but right now we are helping the suffering people and the suffering is unimaginable."

Agree or disagree with what Pat said, it was well within the bounds of historic Christian theology. Maybe that's the real problem after all.

Man is offended by the fact that he is not God. They resent God's Providence. A simple reading of the Bible shows how God uses natural disasters to further his purposes. Earthquakes, floods, famine, locusts, etc. they're all there, but man hates it. Rather than humbly acknowledging that God's ways are not our ways, man rails against and accuses God. The last thing they will do is cry out for his mercy in Jesus Christ.

So Pat is an easy target. But before you judge him perhaps you ought to know that the whole time he was making these comments they had the number on their screen for their viewers to give to their humanitarian relief organization Operation Blessing. OB has already been at work in Haiti long before the earthquake.

Operation Blessing has touched the lives of more than 209.3 million people in 105 countries and all 50 states, providing goods and services valued at more than $1.7 billion. So, once you have surpassed that, then you will be in a better place to judge Pat Robertson. In the meantime, let's do what Pat is doing and bless the poor people of Haiti.


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1 posted on 01/14/2010 1:17:01 PM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

He’s still an idiot.


2 posted on 01/14/2010 1:18:39 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Bush at his worst was still better than Obama at his best.)
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To: ZGuy

Are you kidding me?
He’s a moron to even repeat something like that that he read somewhere.


3 posted on 01/14/2010 1:20:30 PM PST by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: ZGuy
Robertson has done a lot of good over the years.

True, he says some dumb things sometimes. BUT...here's the difference

There's an army of people waiting to pounce everytime Robertson slips (it was the same with Falwell); this army lets legions of other public figures slide when they make the same number of dumb comments.

4 posted on 01/14/2010 1:20:35 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: dinoparty
So Pat is an easy target. But before you judge him perhaps you ought to know that the whole time he was making these comments they had the number on their screen for their viewers to give to their humanitarian relief organization Operation Blessing. OB has already been at work in Haiti long before the earthquake.

Operation Blessing has touched the lives of more than 209.3 million people in 105 countries and all 50 states, providing goods and services valued at more than $1.7 billion. So, once you have surpassed that, then you will be in a better place to judge Pat Robertson. In the meantime, let's do what Pat is doing and bless the poor people of Haiti.

5 posted on 01/14/2010 1:20:55 PM PST by skeeter
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To: ZGuy

Good balance to what we’ve been hearing.


6 posted on 01/14/2010 1:21:13 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Pat’s exact quote: “The Haitians were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever.”

Here’s a little tip. When trying to make a case using “You know” and “and whatever”, it kind of gives the impression that you don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about.


7 posted on 01/14/2010 1:21:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: reagan_fanatic

“He’s still an idiot.”

Please refrain from associating idiots with Pat Robertson, the are deserving a little more respect.


8 posted on 01/14/2010 1:22:22 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: ZGuy

This headline needs a “Barf Alert”. The strong majority of Haitians are Catholic so this devil worship bs just doesnt hold water.


9 posted on 01/14/2010 1:22:32 PM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: ZGuy
Sometimes stupid IS stupid.

Pat Robertson Calls Quake 'blessing in Disguise'

10 posted on 01/14/2010 1:22:47 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: ZGuy

The Haitian slaves made a pact with the devil to be free of the French slavemasters??

Who knew?

And you thought they were just making up this voodoo stuff.


11 posted on 01/14/2010 1:23:03 PM PST by alloysteel (....the Kennedys can be regarded as dysfunctional. Even in death.)
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To: ZGuy

Robertson suffers from the same problems Obama has.
When you surround yourself with people who believe just like you, you tend to think your life is reality for everyone.

Free advice for Pat and Bambi.
Stop living off donations and get a real job and you will find life is much harder than you thought.


12 posted on 01/14/2010 1:25:07 PM PST by Zathras
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To: dfwgator

Especially when you can’t keep your Napoleons straight.

This is roughly equivalent to confusing Washington and Lincoln.

Not that either Napoleon can be compared, except negatively, to either of our presidents.


13 posted on 01/14/2010 1:26:08 PM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: ZGuy

Blaming Hurricane Katrina on abortion and now blaming the Earthquake in Haiti on a “pact with the devil” that, unlike our Declaration of Independence, no one can show actually happened, only gives the mockers the opportunity to kick any fence-sitters right back into the anti-Christian camp.

Here at work, I had to sit through a lunchroom filled with gaffaws, hoots, howls, and knee-slapping derision for the stupid things said by this TV “evangelist”, who wears $1000 suits and Rolex watches and guilt-trips his mostly poor audience into sending him more money.

Sorry, but, by my reckoning, ole Pat is helping the devil more than helping our Lord.

It’s one thing to be derided because we believe Christ died to set us free from the penalty of sin.

It’s another to be derided because someone perceived as your “brother” says things so painfully stupid at such a sensitive time.


14 posted on 01/14/2010 1:27:06 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: ZGuy
...the incredible economic disparity between Haiti, which sits on one side of the Island of Hispaniola, and the Dominican Republic on the other side.

I've never been to either country but I have friends who have been to DR and according to them it is better off than Haiti. But that doesn't mean DR is anything close to being a prosperous first world country. It's also a very poor third world country. Yes it's marginally better off than Haiti but what country isn't.
15 posted on 01/14/2010 1:28:09 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: ZGuy
If the suffering of the Haitians is evidence of God's curse on them, he must have really hated the Jews over the last thousand years or so.
16 posted on 01/14/2010 1:29:41 PM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: DogBarkTree; ZGuy
Don't be easily misled by others. At least HALF of all Haitians are ALSO INTO voodoo/voodu, etc.

Being a nominal Catholic in one of the world's poorest countries doesn't make you immune from the attraction of the ancient religion of your ancestors.

Voodoo is supposedly based, roughly, on Vodun worship in West Africa. It's akin to Santeria except that it has no apparent Hindu elements.

It's kind of like being a Catholic in the United States while practicing Democrat party strategies which include killing babies, only better since killing babies isn't part of the deal.

17 posted on 01/14/2010 1:31:08 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: reagan_fanatic

Don’t miss your chance to join in the fun and be a part of the in-crowd!: “ten minutes of hate!” at whomever political correctness targets next.

Trent Lott, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter! All of them make politically incorrect statements and have political incorrect ideas the Left can soundbite for the “ten minutes of hate” program.


18 posted on 01/14/2010 1:31:08 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Westbrook
Knowing how the media would react I woulda advised Robertson to avoid that particular topic.

That said, I could care LESS what the lunchroom crowd says.

Neither should you.

19 posted on 01/14/2010 1:32:24 PM PST by skeeter
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To: ZGuy

Maybe this will move a few people to actually study a little bit of Haitian political history.

It is a 200 year horror show.

Read Haitian history and it will make your hair stand up. Most people stop with the French colonial period and the American occupation with Chesty Puller and that era. Those are probably the high points. The rest is a slow-motion nightmare.

Right now, in the midst of this disaster is really not the time to dwell on all that; people are hurting and the only people who can deliver effective help is the US military.

But Haiti’s tragic situation is not an accident and it isn’t a mystery. Robertson is probably too old to care what people think. If his remarks are simplistic, they also point only to the very tip of a tragic iceberg.


20 posted on 01/14/2010 1:32:57 PM PST by marron
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To: muawiyah

And wouldn’t you think that there are other parts of the world that would be more deserving of God’s wrath, like, say the Muslim countries? I mean if you are a true-believing Christian, isn’t Islam the complete antithesis?


21 posted on 01/14/2010 1:33:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Westbrook
Blaming Hurricane Katrina on abortion and now blaming the Earthquake in Haiti on a “pact with the devil”

Don't forget he blamed (American) gays and lesbians for 9/11.
22 posted on 01/14/2010 1:33:32 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Westbrook
Blaming Hurricane Katrina on abortion and now blaming the Earthquake in Haiti on a “pact with the devil”

Don't forget he blamed (American) gays and lesbians for 9/11.
23 posted on 01/14/2010 1:33:41 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: DogBarkTree

They may be Catholic, but they also practice voodoo, an anti-Christian faith.


24 posted on 01/14/2010 1:33:54 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: SaraJohnson
You got it.

If it wasn't Robertson it would be someone else on the right they would be targeting. Attention is now off of Harry Reid.

Too bad most of the posters on this thread can't recognize how it works.

25 posted on 01/14/2010 1:35:18 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Westbrook

Pat Robertson “wears $1000 suits and Rolex watches and guilt-trips his mostly poor audience into sending him more money”?

No. That is a lie. Sadly, a lot of FReepers believe that lie to be true, simply because they enjoy hating on high-profile Christians.


26 posted on 01/14/2010 1:35:38 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: dfwgator
Islam doesn't sacrifice chickens ~ they do goats.

Let me say this about that, I don't control God and I don't control earthquakes. On the other hand I live on a planet with a silicon crust that rides on top of a vast hunk of molten iron interladen with millions of small natural nuclear reactors.

STUFF HAPPENS!

27 posted on 01/14/2010 1:35:55 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: truthguy
“...it's marginally better off than Haiti but what country isn't.”

During the colonial era the French side was the better-off and much more populated side of the island. It was France's richest colony while the Spanish-speaking side had less than a fifth of the island's population.

During this century Haiti has had enough “progressive” and socialist policies to keep economic development strangled.

28 posted on 01/14/2010 1:35:55 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: ZGuy
Gary L. Cass, Christian Anti-Defamation Commission

Pat Robertson and other "televangelists" charlatans give Christianity a bad name, thereby defaming it. IMHO

29 posted on 01/14/2010 1:36:06 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: ZGuy

This is a fair and balanced piece.

I’m surprised that FReepers sound so much like DU when it comes to hating on high-profile Christians. I guess we really are more “conservative” than “Christian” around here ...


30 posted on 01/14/2010 1:36:49 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: ZGuy

Just another way to allow the Christophobes ammo, and believe me, they are waiting in the wings with enough venom and hatred to execute any Christian has doesn’t toe the line of tyranny. Pat is still a good man.


31 posted on 01/14/2010 1:38:14 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: ZGuy
Pat is an idiot.

The conservative movement owes him nothing. As far as I can tell he hasn't helped the movement in any way.

32 posted on 01/14/2010 1:38:35 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Monterrosa-24
During this century Haiti has not improved. In the last century they had more than their fair share of Socialist nonsense, but that's true of the century before that too.

Remember, the Haitians made a deal with the French to pay them an indemnity for their slaves ~ and it took them 100 years to pay off the indemnity.

That's not Socialism, but it had pretty much the same effect, so when the Socialists came around to "improve Haiti" they'd already been ground down so thoroughly it couldn't get better ~ ever ~ and it hasn't.

The French should repay them the $22 billion indemnity.

33 posted on 01/14/2010 1:38:50 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Zathras

>> Robertson suffers from the same problems Obama has.
When you surround yourself with people who believe just like you, you tend to think your life is reality for everyone.

I hadn’t considered that. Maybe Robertson has a “yes man” problem ... surrounded by a bunch of sycophants, with no one honest enough with him to take him aside with a copy of his speech, and say “Hey, slick — this particular statement is a freaking lousy idea.”

SnakeDoc


34 posted on 01/14/2010 1:38:50 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: dfwgator
And wouldn’t you think that there are other parts of the world that would be more deserving of God’s wrath, like, say the Muslim countries? I mean if you are a true-believing Christian, isn’t Islam the complete antithesis?

Of all the countries in the world I could live the Islamic ones have to be the last I would choose. Even if I were muslim. They kill each other for fun.

35 posted on 01/14/2010 1:39:12 PM PST by skeeter
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To: DTogo

Maybe watch what Pat Robertson actually said before jumping on the hate-Pat bandwagon:

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/Archive/Club/700Club011310_WS&search=700ClubEpisodes&p=1&parent=0&subnav=false


36 posted on 01/14/2010 1:39:41 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: muawiyah

The Duvaliers killed off Haiti’s middle class via the Tonton Macoutes, because they tended to be lighter-skinned Creoles.


37 posted on 01/14/2010 1:41:19 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

<Here’s a little tip. When trying to make a case using “You know” and “and whatever”, it kind of gives the impression that you don’t know what the Hell you’re talking about.

No kidding. I almost turned my attention elsewhere when I heard that (I”m a college prof. My students don’t get away with saying “and whatever”) but for some reason I listened to the rest of his garbage with my mouth open.

I’m going to say something that might tick some people off. I’ve been thinking about Robertson today and wondering if that statement isn’t a bit racist. Should the blacks remain under the heel of the French? Did they not have a right to their own liberty? Why should they have remained under French domination?

I don’t know. I’m just so floored that someone in 2010 would talk about a 200 year old ‘pact with the devil.’ People, please. If you believe in God, I assume you also believe he gave you a brain and that you should use it.


38 posted on 01/14/2010 1:42:05 PM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Why are we discussing Robertson? Could it be because Obama and liberals need someone to attack to divert criticism from themselves?


39 posted on 01/14/2010 1:43:19 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Theo

>> I’m surprised that FReepers sound so much like DU when it comes to hating on high-profile Christians. I guess we really are more “conservative” than “Christian” around here ...

I am, and always will be, a Christian first. And, this board is not known for “hating on high profile Christians”. So, when even the vast majority of conservative God-fearing Christians have come to the conclusion that Robertson was being an obnoxious jackass ... maybe its time to re-think before drinking the Robertson kool-aid.

Even Christian leaders are capable of incredible lapses in judgment — and most Christians seem to recognize this as one of those circumstances.

SnakeDoc


40 posted on 01/14/2010 1:43:44 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: ZGuy

Try reading through the New Testament and then imagining Jesus responding to a disaster like this the way Robertson did.

Robertson is a mean-spirited whackjob. God will deal with him in due course.


41 posted on 01/14/2010 1:44:27 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: SnakeDoctor

Also a lot of so-called “Christian leaders” turn out to be wolves in sheeps’ clothing.


42 posted on 01/14/2010 1:44:39 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ZGuy
http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/Archive/Club/700Club011310_WS&search=700ClubEpisodes&p=1&parent=0&subnav=false

Ummmm, sounds pretty innocuous to me...Sunday morning stuff!

43 posted on 01/14/2010 1:44:56 PM PST by roses of sharon (This is a feral government, broken from the civilizing constraints of the Constitution.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

>> Why are we discussing Robertson? Could it be because Obama and liberals need someone to attack to divert criticism from themselves?

Because the clown went and shot his mouth off. If he’d have put a sock in it, nobody would’ve mentioned him.

SnakeDoc


44 posted on 01/14/2010 1:45:15 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: ZGuy
To use Pat's words, Haiti's history was, "cursed, desperately poor."

God bless Pat Robertson for all the good he and his charity organizations do, but he is simply wrong as a matter of scripture to contend that God is cursing present-day Haitians for a satanic practice 200 years ago.

What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?

As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die....

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Ezekiel 18:2-4;20

45 posted on 01/14/2010 1:45:40 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Ol' Sparky
Why are we discussing Robertson?

Because for some folks who're used to being on the defensive jumping on the bandwagon just plain feels good.

46 posted on 01/14/2010 1:46:08 PM PST by skeeter
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To: SnakeDoctor

Please, for the love of truth, watch the actual video of what Pat Robertson said before continuing the slander:

http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/Archive/Club/700Club011310_WS&search=700ClubEpisodes&p=1&parent=0&subnav=false

Who started the attack on Pat Robertson? People who hate Christ. Who has taken up the attack on Pat Robertson? People who haven’t actually listened to what Pat Robertson said.

Again, please take the time to watch for yourself. You’ll be SURPRISED at how lovingly he expresses himself.


47 posted on 01/14/2010 1:46:33 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: skeeter

> That said, I could care LESS what the lunchroom crowd says.
>
> Neither should you.

I like to share my faith with my co-workers. The more stupid things high-profile Christians say, the more difficult that task becomes.

There is no way I can agree with Pat Robertson on this.

He is just wrong-headed and wrong-hearted.

It is not for him to judge what God is doing, or whether God sent this calamity as a punishment.

Oh, and by the way, also killed in Haiti were *MANY MANY* good, Godly missionaries, who don’t have Rolexes, who don’t wear Armani merino and silk, who don’t have chauffer driven limos to take them to their gated, 10,000 sq. ft. air conditioned mansions, and who don’t guilt-trip poor people for money *DAILY* on national television.

Did they also make a pact with the devil?


48 posted on 01/14/2010 1:46:51 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

>HE’S STILL AN IDOT.<

Well, it certainly takes one to know one! Pat Robertson is anything BUT an idiot. Few people have done more to help their fellow man, or served God more than this fine man. Intellectually he is way up the scale from you. And though you do not deserve it, he would forgive you your ill thought remark.


49 posted on 01/14/2010 1:48:14 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Hunter/Palin or Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: SnakeDoctor
We're discussing Robertson because Obama and liberals have made his comments a topic. Why? Because they want to divert attention away from what they are doing on health care.

Who cares what Pat Robertson thinks? He lost all credibility when he defended China's one child policy.

50 posted on 01/14/2010 1:48:19 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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