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MA-Sen. 2010: The Lesson Of Brown? (a RINO who supported Romneycare, Sotomayor, abortion)
The Atlantic ^ | 2010-01-15

Posted on 01/15/2010 9:51:31 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Frum sees him as an antidote to the Tea Party madness:

Strong on defense and school choice, opposed to the Obama administration’s signature initiatives, Brown voted in favor of Mitt Romney’s health plan in Massachusetts. He describes himself as pro-choice (subject to reasonable limitations), accepts gay marriage in Massachusetts as a settled fact, and told the Boston Herald editorial board he would have voted to confirm Sonia Sotomayor.


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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 0bot; 2010; brown; bs; coakley; davidfrum; democratpropaganda; disinformation; fraud; gopcare; lessons; liar; ma2010; madeupcrap; mccain; mccaintruthfile; propaganda; ridiculous; rino; rinoparty; romney; romney2lose; romneycare; scottbrown; troll; trollboy
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1 posted on 01/15/2010 9:51:34 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
David Frum knows conservatives are backing Scott Brown. I think he pulled that out of his ass.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

2 posted on 01/15/2010 9:53:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I dunno. McLame is supporting Brown, which does lend some credence to Frum’s allegations.


3 posted on 01/15/2010 9:54:37 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

This race is a referendum on ObamaCare and one party supermajority rule, nothing more and nothing less.


4 posted on 01/15/2010 9:54:54 AM PST by NeoCaveman (usually clean, often articulate, only a slight Cro-Magnon accent except when I want to have one)
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To: rabscuttle385

As long as he wins and then crshes Barry and the Dems hopes of shoving ObamaCare down our collective throats, I’ll worry about the rest of his garbage carry-on afterwards.


5 posted on 01/15/2010 9:55:07 AM PST by cranked
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To: rabscuttle385

It is absolutely stunning how FREEPERS are trading principles over a win. Just two months ago, everyone was swearing NEVER to support a RINO and here we are...very tragic and sad. One positive...I don’t have to be in the position to vote for this election. I was unfortunately in the position when voting for Senator of Pennsylvania years back when I had to vote for the Scottish Guy :) However, there was not the screaming NO RINOs back then. Today I would never vote for Arlen Specter!!!


6 posted on 01/15/2010 9:56:14 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: goldstategop

Is Frum truly so delusional that he sees Brown as a Tea Party “antidote” rather than as an example of just how far Tea Party sentiment has moved Massachussetts electoral politics rightward toward the center?


7 posted on 01/15/2010 9:56:30 AM PST by Steve_Stifler
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To: rabscuttle385

Brown’s a decent guy who’s wrong on a few items, but it’s less about Brown than it is about kicking the Kennedy cult, the lockstep media, and the Obamanation to the curb.


8 posted on 01/15/2010 9:56:32 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Still better than Coakley or Kennedy. No one is deluded that he is a perfect Conservative, they just see the big picture strategy and realize he is heads and tails better than the competition and breaking the dems super-majority will stop the move left better than almost anything else now.

In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might.- Winston Churchill

9 posted on 01/15/2010 9:57:15 AM PST by mnehring
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To: rabscuttle385
I dunno. McLame is supporting Brown, which does lend some credence to Frum’s allegations.

Oh, he's got some warts, that's for sure. But if he'll de-rail this disasterous power grab by the D's, we need to support him, just with the knowledge that this guy is far from perfect.

10 posted on 01/15/2010 9:58:34 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: napscoordinator
No one is trading principles, they are simply seeing the larger strategic picture in relation to their principles. This is chess, not checkers.

In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might.- Winston Churchill

11 posted on 01/15/2010 9:58:57 AM PST by mnehring
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To: napscoordinator

I think in this case, assuming Brown is a RINO, there is no choice but to support him. He is our only immediate hope to put the brakes on the Obama agenda.


12 posted on 01/15/2010 9:59:08 AM PST by marvlus
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To: rabscuttle385
Why do you 0-bots spend every day spamming every possible thread here telling us how we all should be so upset at the GOP yet have never said even a single word critical of Obama on anything,?

You posting history indicates your posturing as a "Conservative/" is specious. You only direct your outrage one direction and that direction never involves attacking the Leftists for anything.

13 posted on 01/15/2010 9:59:08 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: rabscuttle385

Everything is relative. Brown is much more liberal than we would like, but he is infinitely preferable to the Satanic Martha Kookly.


14 posted on 01/15/2010 9:59:12 AM PST by iowamark
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To: rabscuttle385

Are you expecting something different from Massachusetts? Some RINOs are inevitable.


15 posted on 01/15/2010 9:59:16 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Are you expecting something different from Massachusetts? Some RINOs are inevitable.


16 posted on 01/15/2010 9:59:16 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: rabscuttle385
A Free Republic type conservative cannot win in Massachusetts and cannot win in at least 10 other states, no way, no how. This is a fact that is true as 1+1=2. If Brown wins this coming Tuesday then the 60 vote filibuster proof that the democrats have in the Senate will be broken. This is by itself is an extremely important thing that we can achieve to stop socialism.
17 posted on 01/15/2010 9:59:40 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: rabscuttle385; All

I am not sure if I would care if Brown himself personally ripped a baby out of a woman’s womb.

It’s Massachusetts, and a conservative won’t win. Period.

Never.

That said, he is center-right, and that’s good enough for me.

As long as he is not as liberal as Snowe or Collins that is. They are my limits. I can take McCain or something, but they are too much.


18 posted on 01/15/2010 10:00:40 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rabscuttle385

Sen. Brown is the antidote to Frum’s and Romney’s
poisoning of Election2008.


19 posted on 01/15/2010 10:01:41 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: napscoordinator

Of course RINOs are wrong, but would you rather have Martha Coakley in that position, esp. at this time?


20 posted on 01/15/2010 10:01:54 AM PST by Joann37
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To: marvlus

Actually that guy Kennedy (who I don’t know much about except from FREEPERS on this site who says he is really conservative) is conservative. Why did we not support him like we did NY-23??? New York is pretty liberal. I would have sent money to a conservative in Mass definitely. We seem to be taking the easy way out.


21 posted on 01/15/2010 10:01:56 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Steve_Stifler
Is Frum truly so delusional that he sees Brown as a Tea Party “antidote” rather than as an example of just how far Tea Party sentiment has moved Massachussetts electoral politics rightward toward the center?

Thanks for that post.

22 posted on 01/15/2010 10:02:00 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I can handle RINO’s when it means we take away a seat in a deep blue commie country. I can’t handle RINO’s in areas where a true conservative can and should win.


23 posted on 01/15/2010 10:03:34 AM PST by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: napscoordinator

Each race is different. The independent conservative had a shot in NY. Not in MA.


24 posted on 01/15/2010 10:04:11 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rabscuttle385

Are you deliberately or naturally obtuse?


25 posted on 01/15/2010 10:04:19 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: napscoordinator

And besides, Kennedy actually seems liberal on some things. He is not conservative.


26 posted on 01/15/2010 10:04:44 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rabscuttle385

Uh, he may not be as conservative as we would like. Are you trying to slow his momentum for some reason, here on FR?


27 posted on 01/15/2010 10:04:47 AM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Joann37

Definitely NOT. I am thrilled not to have to vote in this election. I am just posting my opinion from a computer which is much easier than clothes pinning my nose on Tuesday if I lived in MASS.


28 posted on 01/15/2010 10:04:49 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator; rabscuttle385
It is absolutely stunning how FREEPERS are trading principles over a w

No what is stunning is how desperate the O-bots here are to find any excuse to avoid having to attack the Left on anything.

Let see, in your lunatic world view it is worse to vote for a guy who will kill Obamacare because he is not ideological pure. You do realize is your hyper purist dogma does one thing right? You would make sure the Dems get the 60th vote to guarantee it's passage just because he is not pure enough for you?

Are you two really this stupid?

Are you guys just liars who are actually working for the Democrat National Committee or just this politically stupid?

Cause to say this sort of ignorant crap you have to either be a Democrat Party operatives or totally ignorant of how politics in a Constitutional Republic works.

So which is it guys, are you frauds or fools?

29 posted on 01/15/2010 10:05:19 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: napscoordinator

We’re talking about Massachussetts (sp?). No conservative will win there no matter how much those of us outside of the state would want it to.


30 posted on 01/15/2010 10:05:46 AM PST by marvlus
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To: All
Someone forgot the...

"Brought To By Citizens For Martha Coakley 2010"

...disclaimer at the end of the article.
31 posted on 01/15/2010 10:06:27 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: MNJohnnie

Frauds or fools - well put!!!!


32 posted on 01/15/2010 10:06:28 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: napscoordinator

Kennedy is NO conservative. He is barely a libertarian. He is a life long Democrat who recently changed to Independent. He is pro-choice(sic), pro-gay marriage, code pinko level on the war and defense. People in Mass who know Kennedy (not even his real name) say he isn’t who he wants people to think he is now.

He is playing to the tea party crowd, but no one is buying it. The Tea Party Express which has a diversity of groups like Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty to ResistNet to Free Republic endorsed Brown.


33 posted on 01/15/2010 10:07:04 AM PST by mnehring
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To: napscoordinator
Actually that guy Kennedy (who I don’t know much about except from FREEPERS on this site who says he is really conservative) is conservativ

No, he is an open borders, surrender the war on drugs UBER Liberal. There is nothing remotely "Conservative" about him at all.

34 posted on 01/15/2010 10:07:09 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: rabscuttle385

Brown himself says that he’s against gay marriage, supports a ban on partial birth abortion, supports parental notification and other anti-abortion laws as well as making adoption easier, and is against gun control. I’d rather get the info about him straight from the horse’s mouth, rather than from David Frum via Andrew Sullivan....


35 posted on 01/15/2010 10:07:30 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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To: napscoordinator
NY-23 is not as liberal as Massachusetts, not even close. NY-23 had elected a Republican for over 100 year until November 2009.

Massachusetts is one of the most liberal states in the Union and may be the most liberal one.

Brown is definitely right of center and if he wins next Tuesday it will be a huge victory for America to stop socialism.

36 posted on 01/15/2010 10:07:34 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: rabscuttle385

Brown is far more conservative than Frum is portending.

Tell the Boston Globe how liberal Scott Brown is. LMAO.


37 posted on 01/15/2010 10:07:41 AM PST by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: napscoordinator
It is absolutely stunning how FREEPERS are trading principles over a win. Just two months ago, everyone was swearing NEVER to support a RINO

Stunning is the mere possibility of a Republican winning this Massachusetts election, and the message it would send regarding 0bama and his agenda. A win by Brown would truly rattle Dem bones! :)

38 posted on 01/15/2010 10:08:30 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: rabscuttle385
I will gladly take someone who disagrees with me 50% of the time or even 80% of the time as opposed to someone who will disagree with me 100%. I expect we will get better than 50% from Scott Brown however.
39 posted on 01/15/2010 10:08:59 AM PST by bilhosty (Don' t tax people tax newsprint)
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To: napscoordinator

Not the same, not even close to the same. NY-23 is a conservative,or at least a right leaning district in a liberal state. Brown is running as a statewide candidate in a state that has a HUGE democrat registration advantage.


40 posted on 01/15/2010 10:09:21 AM PST by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: NeoCaveman; Diamond

I think you’re right.


41 posted on 01/15/2010 10:09:21 AM PST by cornelis
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To: MNJohnnie

Oh yea, I forgot about the border thing.. normally that would be a done deal issue for most FReepers.


42 posted on 01/15/2010 10:09:39 AM PST by mnehring
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To: MNJohnnie; napscoordinator; fieldmarshaldj; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39; Diogenesis; big'ol_freeper; ...
to vote for a guy who will kill Obamacare because he is not ideological pure.

Kill Obamacare...*laughing*...like he killed Romneycare?

Brown defends Romneycare

Oh, and that was just two days ago...on Fox News of all places!

Brown is a RINO and quite possibly a Romneybot. He should NOT be elected, unless the end result desired is another {Snowe, Collins, Jeffords, Chafee}.

43 posted on 01/15/2010 10:09:50 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: napscoordinator
It is absolutely stunning how FREEPERS are trading principles over a win.

Blah blah blah, nobody is doing any such thing. The problem here is not that Brown is a RINO, but that you are simply too dumb to think for yourself, choosing rather to let David Frum manipulate you.

44 posted on 01/15/2010 10:10:08 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Its Massa-frickin'-chussetts, for God's sake. The fact that ANY candidate to the right of Pelosi is seriously contending there is a near-miracle. It's not South Carolina, where it's more realistic to expect a strong conservative. Sure, we'd like to see another DeMint, but up there in MA, Brown is as good as it's gonna get.
45 posted on 01/15/2010 10:10:18 AM PST by ScottinVA (The arrogance of this Congress is staggering. November 2010 can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: mnehring; MNJohnnie

Oh...he sounds worse than Brown (with regards to issues). I guess Brown is the best MASS has in this election.


46 posted on 01/15/2010 10:10:53 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: rabscuttle385
So 0-bot,

Looking at your posting history find it odd how you never ever find any reason to ever be critical of anyone on the Left ever.

Why is that?

47 posted on 01/15/2010 10:10:53 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: rabscuttle385

Of the two choices who is more conservative?


48 posted on 01/15/2010 10:12:14 AM PST by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: rwfromkansas; napscoordinator

Kennedy dropped out, his name is still on the ballot but he threw in the towel, it was just a nothing show anyway.

Joe Kennedy in keeping with libertarians is pro immigration, anti war, pro homosexual marriage and I assume pro partial birth abortion.


49 posted on 01/15/2010 10:13:29 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: napscoordinator; All
Actually that guy Kennedy (who I don’t know much about except from FREEPERS on this site who says he is really conservative) is conservative.

Oh shoot, guess what bud? You just lost any and all credibility that you might have had, right there with that single sentence.

Kennedy is not a conservative. Kennedy is barely even a libertarian (which would be bad enough). He was a Democrat until he re-registered to try to serve as a spoiler in this race.

That fact that you BLINDLY want people to support Kennedy, simply because he's the "independent" candidate (which you ignorantly and incorrectly conflate with his being the "conservative" candidate) shows right there why people are right to warn against all of this third party/independent nonsense.

50 posted on 01/15/2010 10:13:37 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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