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MA-Sen. 2010: The Lesson Of Brown? (a RINO who supported Romneycare, Sotomayor, abortion)
The Atlantic ^ | 2010-01-15

Posted on 01/15/2010 9:51:31 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Frum sees him as an antidote to the Tea Party madness:

Strong on defense and school choice, opposed to the Obama administration’s signature initiatives, Brown voted in favor of Mitt Romney’s health plan in Massachusetts. He describes himself as pro-choice (subject to reasonable limitations), accepts gay marriage in Massachusetts as a settled fact, and told the Boston Herald editorial board he would have voted to confirm Sonia Sotomayor.


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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
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To: rabscuttle385

Well by golly, I guess that puts Coakley up on a pedestal.

Think Obamacare. Think tax until you drop. Think Cap and Tax. Think prisoners voting. Think immigration. Think unemployment. Think national security.

I don’t like it either, but at times...... life becomes is a collection of tradeoffs.


51 posted on 01/15/2010 10:13:57 AM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Not you again. I don’t need David Frum to manipulate me to know a RINO is a RINO when he NOT fully pro-life.


52 posted on 01/15/2010 10:14:28 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: rabscuttle385
Words from Ronald W. Reagan regarding compromise:

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.

"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

All those who demand ideological purity at all times are fools, and forgetting the lessons and words of the greatest Conservative President of the 20th century.

53 posted on 01/15/2010 10:15:34 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m not sure anyone is under the impression that Scott Brown is Ronald Reagan reincarnated. He, no doubt, has some ideological problems that would be a dealbreaker if he ran in Texas.

But, he’s the best viable option for the Senate that MA has had in the better part of 30-years.

Babysteps.

SnakeDoc


54 posted on 01/15/2010 10:15:34 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: napscoordinator
This is a chance to stop the advancement. You will never get a 95 rated ACU candidate elected in Mass. NEVER!!!

Take the victories when they present themselves and in this instance it is a major embarrassment to Obama if the Repubs take this seat.

Good enough I say

55 posted on 01/15/2010 10:15:38 AM PST by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: Gator113
Think Cap and Tax.

...which Brown supported too, apparently.

56 posted on 01/15/2010 10:15:44 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I know...I did go in blindly because I am wanting a conservative SO BADLYYYYYYYYYY to win. Shoot me for God’s sake :)


57 posted on 01/15/2010 10:16:16 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: MNJohnnie

You know, I’ve had the same thoughts. It’s awfully telling that these same folks who bend themselves into pretzels to try to find some way - any way - to undermine reasonably conservative candidates are the same folks who you almost never see speaking out against the Dems. Wonder if a game is afoot.


58 posted on 01/15/2010 10:16:41 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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To: verity

There are times that I think that liberal trolls here on FR have gotten a lot more subtle. Like—putting forward the idea that a rightward move in Mass is not good enough, better we should have Coakley in the Senate than compromise.


59 posted on 01/15/2010 10:16:50 AM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
and words of the greatest Conservative President of the 20th century.

Calvin Coolidge?

Ohhhh, I forgot! Conservatives want "charisma."

60 posted on 01/15/2010 10:17:03 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

YES!! it is better to have a good Socialist Obamabot in Coakley than another RINO like McLame & his former VP running mate


61 posted on 01/15/2010 10:17:23 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: jveritas

Then again, there’s Snowe, Collins, Graham, etc

so the 60 vote supermajority is still possible.


62 posted on 01/15/2010 10:17:42 AM PST by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: rabscuttle385

I hate RINOs as much as anyone here, but in MA, even a RINO would be a major upgrade from Dead Kennedy, who has been sober for what, 5 months now? Wonder how he is getting along - catching up with a lot of old friends?


63 posted on 01/15/2010 10:18:18 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Blah blah blah, nobody is doing any such thing. The problem here is not that Brown is a RINO, but that you are simply too dumb to think for yourself, choosing rather to let David Frum manipulate you.

No, see you don't understand. For these jihadist "conservatives" a RINO is anyone who does not hold 100% to the exact position they personally hold on every single issue.

Just try to get rabscuttle and the other jihadists here to define what ARE the conservative positions on issues and you'll get silence; apparently only they can discern a RINO when they see one... The rest of us should just sit back and accede to the visions of these sees.

64 posted on 01/15/2010 10:19:10 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: SnakeDoctor
He's conservative: lower taxes, smaller government, personal freedom. And he supports limits on abortion. I think that's a good test to determine whether someone is on our side. Brown is. Coakley isn't. That happens to be good enough for me.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

65 posted on 01/15/2010 10:19:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rwfromkansas

He’s a libertarian which means limited government, not social con


66 posted on 01/15/2010 10:19:25 AM PST by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: napscoordinator
I know...I did go in blindly because I am wanting a conservative SO BADLYYYYYYYYYY to win. Shoot me for God’s sake :)

Hunh uh, I'm not playing that stupid little game with you, where you pretend to be Mr. Purist Conservative, who's poo is just a little more to the Right of everybody else's, such that you can't use even a smidgen of common sense to support a reasonably conservative candidate in a vitally important race, and then when I call you out on being an idiot, you get to try to play it off like the only reason I'm doing so is because I'm Mr. Secret Romney RINO Supporter.

If you can't use a little common sense to figure out the dynamics of this Senate race, and if you can't be bothered to actually find some things out about what you're talking about before you type, then the problem is YOURS, not mine.

67 posted on 01/15/2010 10:20:50 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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To: rabscuttle385

SO, in your mind, Calvin Coolidge was a better conservative than Ronald Reagan. Got it.

Says a lot about your ability to discern a RINO...


68 posted on 01/15/2010 10:20:52 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: rabscuttle385

Frum is an a$$hat. Brown’s run does nothing to add him any credence.


69 posted on 01/15/2010 10:21:22 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: goldstategop

Honestly, it doesn’t even matter. I’d vote for an avowed RINO tomorrow if he could kill the healthcare bill.

SnakeDoc


70 posted on 01/15/2010 10:21:37 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: All

Frum is an establishmentarian of the RINO Gop. R

He is using this race to attempt to belittle Tea Partiers and rank and file conservatives.

Although I will abandon the GOP if I get another Mcain RINO on the national stage...and I prefer conservatives in every state...

I see the use for moderates and even some liberal GOP candidates in states that are hopelessly Blue...Mass, Ca, Maryland and others.

Of course I’d never vote for them. But it’s necessary politics if you want to be a majority.

***The critical thing here is that it shows there is a real war going on in the Republican Party. It is more important for RINO Frum to take this opportunity to lambast conservative and Tea Party activists than it is to win this election and stop the 60.***

So, don’t think we are not in a war with the Rino’s and establishment for control of the Party. I guarantee you they are on this site, if only in the form of underling hacks.


71 posted on 01/15/2010 10:21:58 AM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
SO, in your mind, Calvin Coolidge was a better conservative than Ronald Reagan. Got it.

Considering that Coolidge was Reagan's hero...I would tend to think so.

Considering that Coolidge actually cut both taxes AND spending and ushered in the Roaring Twenties...I would tend to think so.

72 posted on 01/15/2010 10:22:31 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385; napscoordinator; fieldmarshaldj; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39; Diogenesis; ...
Quit posturing and answer the question for once Rab.

Your posting history shows you spend 100% of your time sniping at anyone center-right who is not dogmatically pure enough for you. Your articles routinely are based on misstatements, half truths and, in a number of cases, out right lies. For example, your article that tried to claim Bush was worse on the defect then Obama.

Despite posturing as an “arch Conservative” you never, ever manage to ever find anything on the Left to direct your ire at. Nope, 100% of the time you are acting as a Democrat Part propagandist. Not once do you attack the Democrat Party and your Dear Reader on anything

Why is that?

73 posted on 01/15/2010 10:22:34 AM PST by MNJohnnie
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To: napscoordinator

Palin spoke highly of Title IV in her book. That is not a conservative position. Is she a RINO too?

He supports parental notification, against lowering age of consent, voted for religious exemptions for hospitals and is endorsed by one of the MA pro-life groups. I sure would like to know about Sotomayer- that’s for certain, but he is head and shoulders above Coakley and many of the other current Repubs. Whether we like it or not, gay marriage is the law of this state. That was not controversial.

I have no problem poking Scott Brown with a stick if, during his service, he strays from conservatism, but I will enthusiastically support him in this election.


74 posted on 01/15/2010 10:22:57 AM PST by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: All

***The critical thing here is that it shows there is a real war going on in the Republican Party. It is more important for RINO Frum to take this opportunity to lambast conservative and Tea Party activists than it is to win this election and stop the 60.***

So, don’t think we are not in a war with the Rino’s and establishment for control of the Party. I guarantee you they are on this site, if only in the form of underling hacks.


75 posted on 01/15/2010 10:24:13 AM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: napscoordinator

The conservatives that you are seeking are not going to win in Massachusetts and not in many other states. Reality versus delusion.


76 posted on 01/15/2010 10:24:33 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: ansel12
Joe Kennedy in keeping with libertarians is pro immigration, anti war, pro homosexual marriage and I assume pro partial birth abortion

With the exception of the "libertarian" tag, Joe Kennedy sounds just like that "other" Kennedy who recently went room temp.

77 posted on 01/15/2010 10:24:51 AM PST by ScottinVA (The arrogance of this Congress is staggering. November 2010 can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Your posting history shows you spend 100% of your time sniping at anyone center-right who is not dogmatically pure enough for you.

100 percent? LOL. Didn't I post a whole list to you of threads attacking Democrats?

Or does the truth just hurt that badly?

78 posted on 01/15/2010 10:24:51 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: aft_lizard

You have your elitists liberals in the wealthier towns to go with all of the minority votes. However, you have plenty of Reagan Democrats who cannot stand Obama style of government either. Those votes can be had by someone who isn’t seen as a bow tie country club republican or southern theocritist. (Yeah, I made that term up)


79 posted on 01/15/2010 10:24:58 AM PST by misterrob (Have you tea bagged a liberal today?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Coolidge so weakened the conservative movement we ended up with 16 years of FDR and the New Deal. Reagan cut taxes WITHOUT a majority control of either chamber, AND ushered in the 80s and 90s...

But that’s OK. In your mind Reagan is worse than Coolidge. You never define was a “conservative” position is on any issue, and you only attack conservatives.

You’re a troll...

Bye!


80 posted on 01/15/2010 10:25:33 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: tkas; napscoordinator
Is she a RINO too?

Not completely sure, but her PAC's financial support for RINOs like Graham, Murkowski, and McCain speaks volumes, especially when it claims that it supports candidates who share its values.

81 posted on 01/15/2010 10:26:16 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: napscoordinator; MNJohnnie

In the radio debate the other day, Kennedy’s explanation for his “conservative” view of abortion is that he is completely pro-choice but just against the government funding it.

That tells me all I need to know about his complete lack of understanding of the foundational principles of Conservatism.


82 posted on 01/15/2010 10:26:46 AM PST by mnehring
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To: rabscuttle385
Think Cap and Tax.<

...which Brown supported too, apparently.

Which is another example of you making up a lie to attack someone on the right. So who do your work for Rab? Organizing for America? Act Up? Moveon.org? Democrat National Comittee?

http://www.brownforussenate.com/press/11-13-09/11-13-09-new-scott-brown-video-cap-and-trade-giant-new-tax-energy

83 posted on 01/15/2010 10:26:57 AM PST by MNJohnnie
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Coolidge so weakened the conservative movement we ended up with 16 years of FDR and the New Deal.

No, that was Hoover.

Or did you just fall asleep during the day Hoover's disastrous presidency was discussed in U.S. history class?

84 posted on 01/15/2010 10:27:27 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: marvlus

Well said......Politics makes strange bedfellows. He(Brown) can stab me in the back later with Mclame. The guy that has a knife to my throat right now is Ozero. We can work on postponing Brown’s “down the road betrayals” later.


85 posted on 01/15/2010 10:27:35 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: misterrob

Social conservatives are limited government as well, they are the original, limited government constituency from 1776, libertarians are simply a cherry picking mix of conservative and hard left, letting them support conservative economics and liberal culture.


86 posted on 01/15/2010 10:28:06 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: MNJohnnie; rabscuttle385
Rabs is the perfect example of a person who would rather lose to someone who is with us 0% of the time than win with somebody with us 80% of the time.

He's also the perfect example of someone who is politically tone deaf, and who allows his self-appointed position of perfect purity to undermine his innate common sense.

87 posted on 01/15/2010 10:28:11 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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To: NeoCaveman
This race is a referendum on ObamaCare and one party supermajority rule, nothing more and nothing less.

Outside of the personal dynamics of the candidates, absolutely true.

88 posted on 01/15/2010 10:28:55 AM PST by GOP_Resurrected
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To: rigelkentaurus
in MA, even a RINO would be a major upgrade from Dead Kennedy, who has been sober for what, 5 months now?

Oh great! Now I've gotta clean diet coke off my keyboard!

89 posted on 01/15/2010 10:29:05 AM PST by workerbee (Yes, I hate Obama because of his color: RED!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; mkjessup

Oh, how cute! I got called a troll at post 80! LOL!


90 posted on 01/15/2010 10:29:13 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; rabscuttle385

If it’s any consolation, I think Rabscuttle is a RINO.


91 posted on 01/15/2010 10:29:23 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Most of your articles are intellectuality dishonest at best, out right lies in some cases. Your claim Brown supports Cap and Tax is just the latest example of you lying to attack someone on the right.

So, why is it you only attack those on right, never ever find anyone on the Left to be upset with?


92 posted on 01/15/2010 10:30:50 AM PST by MNJohnnie
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To: ansel12; misterrob; bamahead; dcwusmc
Social conservatives are limited government as well, they are the original, limited government constituency from 1776

How exactly is the federal War on Drugs a form of limited government?

93 posted on 01/15/2010 10:30:50 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

New tagline...


94 posted on 01/15/2010 10:30:59 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Scott Brown: a better-looking Dede Scozzafava...and the "conservatives" LOVE him!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Oh, how cute! I got called a troll at post 80! LOL!

Shouldn't you be used to that by now? It has become something almost like the sun rising, you can set your watch to it.

95 posted on 01/15/2010 10:31:00 AM PST by mnehring
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To: misterrob
He’s a libertarian which means limited government, not social con

SoCons are for limited government. Libertarians, on the other hand, would tend to allow, through their neglect, the social conditions to develop that would cause people to want bigger government.

96 posted on 01/15/2010 10:31:17 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Obama is proof that you can send a fool to college, but you can't make him think.)
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To: napscoordinator

Levi Johnston gets castigated for nude poses for some mag. Yet Scott Brown poses nude for Cosmopolitian and wins “America’s Most Sexiest Man” award and now it’s on and upward as Senator from MA. It really makes you wonder doesn’t it?


97 posted on 01/15/2010 10:32:50 AM PST by deport (46 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: MNJohnnie
So, why is it you only attack those on right, never ever find anyone on the Left to be upset with?

Are you suggesting that McCain, Graham, and Romney are on the "right"?

Because if you do examine my posts, preferably without drinking beforehand, you will find that the overwhelming majority attack the liberal super-RINO McCain.

You know, the same McCain who said in 2004 that he had no problem with the Democratic Party or any of its values and philosophies.

98 posted on 01/15/2010 10:34:04 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: mnehring
Shouldn't you be used to that by now?

Now that you mention it...

99 posted on 01/15/2010 10:35:27 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; misterrob; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; sickoflibs
SoCons are for limited government.

Translation: socons love Big Government, so long as it does things they like and they are in charge.

through their neglect, the social conditions to develop that would cause people to want bigger government.

Are you saying that more laws are the answer to all of our social ills? Because that's exactly what most "conservative" government programs are--more Government!

Oh, and by the way, use of the Federal government for purposes of social engineering is generally a "progressive" or an authoritarian goal, not a conservative one.

100 posted on 01/15/2010 10:39:52 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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