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Senate Can Pass Health With 51 Votes, Van Hollen Says (DRUDGE siren!)
Drudge Report ^ | 1/15/10 | Jonathan D. Salant

Posted on 01/15/2010 3:01:24 PM PST by Daisyjane69

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bhohealthcare; marthacoakley; masenate; massachusetts; pelosi; reconciliation; scottbrown
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To: Daisyjane69
Never discount blind ambition and self preservation.

Up until this administration, I would've agreed with you. But, so far, this Administration and this Congress have steadfastly proceeded directly against a wave of public revulsion.

Thus, I don't know that conventional political wisdom is still in force. In any event, though, virtually every Democrat in anything less than a center-left district will be committing seppukuif they vote for this monstrosity.

Why they would do so is beyond me.

51 posted on 01/15/2010 3:50:17 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: luv2ndamend
Do the the rats have to name the conferees and someone could object? not sure how the process works.

Minority Leader McConnell and DeMint objected to the naming of conferees -- so there are none.

Thus, there will be no Conference Report. Instead, the House is considering the Senate bill. If they make any changes in it -- any at all -- it will have to go back to the Senate for re-approval.

If they make no changes and pass it intact, it's a done deal.

52 posted on 01/15/2010 3:54:05 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Yes. He looks like he has some might nice shoulders. Just saying... *wink*


53 posted on 01/15/2010 3:58:21 PM PST by onyx
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To: Wahoo82
The union Cadillac health plan deal, the Nelson and Landrieu deals, forced to buy health insurance, GM, the banks...

Here's another one, you may not have known about...

To be sure, not all seniors would share in these cuts. Florida seniors — at least those in Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties — wouldn’t be subject to them. The “Gator Aid” deal that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid struck with Florida Senator Bill Nelson would allow South Floridians to continue enjoying the same Medicare Advantage benefits they enjoy today. Seniors in eleven other counties would also be shielded from the cuts.

=<"http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/coakley-offers-seniors-no-advantage"> Coakley offers seniors no advantage

In other words, if you live in Fort Lauderdale, FL, you can keep your Medicare Advantage policy and enjoy full benefits. But, if you live in Naples, FL, you're going to lose about $2100 per year in benefits.

Courtesy of Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid and Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL).

54 posted on 01/15/2010 4:06:17 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Daisyjane69; Admin Moderator
Can this be posted under Breaking or Front Page? I had to do an exhaustive search to find this post. Thanks!
55 posted on 01/15/2010 4:25:06 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: okie01; Jim Robinson

Thanks for the info!


56 posted on 01/15/2010 4:29:49 PM PST by luv2ndamend (They call themselves greens because they're too yellow to admit they're reds.)
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To: Daisyjane69
The idea that all of these people will fall on their swords for this bill is crazy. Many of them tolled for years and years on local Bds of Ed, city council, and statehouses before earning a trip to Congress.

I agree that they're all self-serving pols, but up until very recently they've been in lockstep. Maybe they've all been invited to the WH for some of Barry's special *stash* (the dems have gotta be smokin' sumthin'), maybe they all will get special sweetheart deals. I don't know.

The one thing I do know though is that it only takes one Rino or one dem to screw things up, and I'm not betting on this horse race.

57 posted on 01/15/2010 4:30:16 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: okie01
they make any changes in it -- any at all -- it will have to go back to the Senate for re-approval.

That's why they have been using a process the MSM is calling "ping ponging." They pass the changes back and forth between the House and Senate leaders. This way, they can still call it reconciliation and get the Parliamentarian to rule that it is reconciliation requiring only a majority vote.

I'm not sure what rule allows this to happen.

-PJ

58 posted on 01/15/2010 4:32:00 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Aracelis

What I can’t understand is how the Jew’s can back this nonsense..they by and large are employers....and then Joe Lieberman getting slapped around like a step child by the Democratic party. Watching all of this I guess I now understand why they by and large climbed on the trains for the Nazi’s without much opposition.


59 posted on 01/15/2010 4:36:22 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Aracelis

I think they’ve been in lockstep because they honestly believed that they’ll get more grief if they don’t pass it.

A win by Brown will demonstrate quite the opposite, in terms even these serpents can figure out.


60 posted on 01/15/2010 4:39:16 PM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Aracelis

I don’t know how to move a post anyplace!

*sorry*


61 posted on 01/15/2010 4:42:23 PM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I'm not sure what rule allows this to happen.

Nor I. But I believe only appropriation bills are subject to reconciliation.

Which I would interpret as meaning that things like the individual health insurance mandate would have to be stripped out.

In any event, I believe the Dems are in deep trouble. And they know it.

62 posted on 01/15/2010 4:49:11 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Daisyjane69
I asked the Admin Mod to do it. We can't move our posts. It's ok! :)
63 posted on 01/15/2010 4:59:59 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
In my book, the kind of liberalism that our current Congress practices is a mental illness. Not much we can do about liberals unless they willingly want therapy, and in their minds, they are not wrong.

Denial is a nice place to visit, but these folks are living it every day.

64 posted on 01/15/2010 5:04:43 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: jersey117

Law suits my butt. IN THE STREETS == Millions in the streets, This is DICTATORSHIP!!!! Get ready. We are fighting for our country now.


65 posted on 01/15/2010 5:18:14 PM PST by catarac
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To: Daisyjane69

Don’t discount the idea that Soros and other deep pockets are telling these guys that they will be taken care of if they lose an election as a result of supporting this.

I can think of no other reason why they appear to not fear the electorate at this time.


66 posted on 01/15/2010 5:22:22 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Daisyjane69

I pray that you are right! I don’t trust them any further than I could fling Pelosi over the back fence.

What’s to stop them from seating him (if he wins) until AFTER the vote? Anything? (I truly don’t know.)


67 posted on 01/15/2010 5:22:41 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: All

It’s just as simple as this...these tyrants need a punch to the nose to shake them up.

They need to be reminded that they work for us.

Note: The Dems are going to push this through at all costs and with whatever sausage comes along down the amendment line. There are NOT going to take a chance that we win in Mass. and they lose the 60th vote.

I think this statement by nimrod VanHollen shows that there is an even loonier loony fringe in the House that is willing to make the bill more Socialist. They need time to do that...and they don’t have that now. VHollen is willing to do it anyway and if they lose Mass, use the nuclear option.


68 posted on 01/15/2010 5:24:34 PM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: Jim Robinson
And here it comes.

As Snidely Whiplash once said...

Nya Ha Ha! I win...because I CHEAT!

69 posted on 01/15/2010 5:28:48 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare...a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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To: onyx

Yup-it’s just a ruse at this point; I’m sure they’ll come up with more over the weekend.

They just don’t get it; everytime they open their mouths, it’s just another vote for Scott.


70 posted on 01/15/2010 5:31:05 PM PST by homegroan ((keeping track of this crap is a full-time job...and I just punched in))
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To: Digger; Overtaxed Patriot
Yep. Revolutionary War II and I predict the members of congress that shoved this onto us will be the first casualties.

Be prepared guys. I hope all of you have at least one gun. let's get it on.

Another record year of even bigger ammo sales ahead.

71 posted on 01/15/2010 5:34:16 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Daisyjane69

Of course you can post a link. The man himself did so at reply #5.

AFAIK, no news source has ever protested being link to from FR.


72 posted on 01/15/2010 5:43:23 PM PST by upchuck (The horse is in the pasture. The barn door is wide-open. Obama wants to know who made the hinges.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

No such rule for ping pong. Ping pong requires 60.

The only procedure that allows for 51 is a budget reconcilation process. It would mean that they’d have to send the whole monstrosity back to committee and break up the bill into numerous pieces.


73 posted on 01/15/2010 5:46:21 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: okie01

But aren’t these new exemptions for the unions and government workers changes to the Senate version? I would think nothing could change and the House would have to vote on it as it was passed word for word and absolutely nothing could be changed or else they have to re-vote with 60 UNLESS they were stupid and arrogant enough to go nuclear.


74 posted on 01/15/2010 5:48:09 PM PST by Qwackertoo (I'm really sad for our great country and what Obama, Reid & Pelosi are doing to us.)
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To: Aracelis

[i]I agree that they’re all self-serving pols, but up until very recently they’ve been in lockstep. Maybe they’ve all been invited to the WH for some of Barry’s special *stash* (the dems have gotta be smokin’ sumthin’), maybe they all will get special sweetheart deals. I don’t know.[/i]

Where the heck are some of the Red state Gov’s? Like Bob Riley, Haley Barbour, Bobby Jindal . . . we’ve heard from Rick Perry but I haven’t heard much from the others. Tell them to all go pound sand and we aren’t having ANY of it, death-care OR cap-n-tax.


75 posted on 01/15/2010 5:51:21 PM PST by Qwackertoo (I'm really sad for our great country and what Obama, Reid & Pelosi are doing to us.)
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To: Daisyjane69

IMHO, there may not be an election this November. I suspect some of -15nobama’s thugs are working hard to come up with a plan to allow nobama to declare martial law, or something similar, and cancel the election because it “poses a threat to national security,” or something similar.

THAT will start a war.

And that, again, IMHO, is why the RATS are not really sweating the Nov election.

I reckon the revolution is coming. Not much way to stop it now. I pray it will be bloodless.


76 posted on 01/15/2010 5:56:21 PM PST by upchuck (The horse is in the pasture. The barn door is wide-open. Obama wants to know who made the hinges.)
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To: Qwackertoo
But aren’t these new exemptions for the unions and government workers changes to the Senate version?

Seems to me that they would be. Any changes must first pass the House. And, then, the Senate would have to pass on them, too.

77 posted on 01/15/2010 6:05:16 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Daisyjane69

Go ahead and do it, you sorry sacks of feces. The blowback will be enormous.

You losers, and all your traitorous, self-serving allies will most surely regret your actions.


78 posted on 01/15/2010 6:10:44 PM PST by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: homegroan

Maybe, just maybe, Blumenthal won’t have a cake walk in your state either.

I’d so love to see that seat go to a Republican and I understand there’s at least two that can give him a good run.


79 posted on 01/15/2010 6:25:54 PM PST by onyx
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To: All

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HELP SCOTT DEFEAT THE CRIMINAL OBAMA/KENEDY POLITICAL MACHINE!!

(stole this from another FReeper, but bears repeating)

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•Live in or near MA? Volunteers still needed at many regional offices. If you can help, please email Laura@brownforussenate.com and she will tell you how.

•If you live in Massachusetts, become an election judge. In Boston they pay $135-$185 and they NEED Republican monitors.

Needed; military and retired law enforcement VFW and police organizations etc to monitor polls- prevent the voter fraud they’re plotting right now. Video tape everything; document everything; prosecute the perpetrators. http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3599


80 posted on 01/15/2010 6:40:33 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: All

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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/43422


81 posted on 01/15/2010 6:47:26 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Daisyjane69

If Scott Brown is elected, there will not be 218 votes in the House for this bill, never mind the Senate.


82 posted on 01/15/2010 6:48:48 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: All; Daisyjane69; Jim Robinson

I heard the Dems don’t want a reconciliation, because the healthcare would only be mandated for five years with reconciliation, and the Dems want it FOREVER.

Anybody know the rules?


83 posted on 01/15/2010 7:07:11 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

I heard the Dems don’t want a reconciliation, because the healthcare would only be mandated for five years with reconciliation, and the Dems want it FOREVER.


This is the result of the Byrd amendment to the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. The Byrd amendment main effect is that reconciliation cannot be used for provisions that would increase the deficit beyond 10 years after the reconciliation measure.

The reconcilliation process has been used several times by both the Dems/Reps over the past few years.


84 posted on 01/15/2010 8:06:29 PM PST by deport (46 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: deport

Thanx.

So it’s TEN years, not five?


85 posted on 01/15/2010 8:17:28 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Daisyjane69

Them passing it with 60 votes might touch off the next Civil War. They do it with the Nuclear Option and all hell is going to break loose.


86 posted on 01/15/2010 8:23:30 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Sun

Based upon what Wiki is saying:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:cBmGClGXZDIJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)+budget+reconciliation+act&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


87 posted on 01/15/2010 8:28:40 PM PST by deport (46 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: deport

Thank you. Very interesting. I’m going to save that link for future reference.


88 posted on 01/15/2010 8:35:19 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Qwackertoo
Where the heck are some of the Red state Gov’s? Like Bob Riley, Haley Barbour, Bobby Jindal . . . we’ve heard from Rick Perry but I haven’t heard much from the others.

I only hear a lot of clucking...


89 posted on 01/15/2010 9:23:39 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: zeebee
This part really smokes me:

“Why would you hand the keys to the car back to the same guys whose policies drove the economy into the ditch and then walked away from the scene of the accident?” Van Hollen said. “For the Republicans to say vote for us and bring back the guys who got us into this mess in the first place, I don’t think it’s a winner.”

The last time the Republicans had control of the congress, unemployment was at it's lowest and the stock market was at it's highest. Then came the 2006 elections, the dems took over the House and Senate, and the economy went off the deep end.

And they are trying to pin the blame on republican policies?

This is especially amusing, seeing as how Massachusettes is voting on filling the "Ted Kennedy Seat" in the Senate today. Not a good day to be talking about driving the car into a ditch and leaving the scene of the accident...

90 posted on 01/19/2010 6:03:02 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("I don't give them Hell / I tell the truth about them / And they think it's Hell" -- Harry Truman)
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