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Dems look at bypassing Senate health care vote
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 17, 2010 | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on 01/17/2010 2:05:45 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

BOSTON (AP) - A panicky White House and Democratic allies scrambled Sunday for a plan to salvage their hard-fought health care package in case a Republican wins Tuesday's Senate race in Massachusetts, which would enable the GOP to block further Senate action.

The likeliest scenario would require House Democrats to accept a bill the Senate passed last month, despite their objections to several parts.

Aides worked frantically Sunday amid fears that Republican Scott Brown will defeat Democrat Martha Coakley in the special election to fill the late Edward M. Kennedy's seat. A Brown win would give the GOP 41 Senate votes, enough to filibuster and block final passage of the House-Senate compromise on health care now being crafted.

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1 posted on 01/17/2010 2:05:45 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Rotsa Ruck getting the blue dogs to swallow that.


2 posted on 01/17/2010 2:07:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I believe thae sign at one of the tea party events read something like “shove it down our throats and next election we’ll shove it up your a$$.” I really do believe this will happen.


3 posted on 01/17/2010 2:08:26 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Dems are the party of the end justify the means

this should make every voter mad as
h*ll...they are not even following procedures. We the people have been pushed aside


4 posted on 01/17/2010 2:09:23 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - Read it and weep)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Nachum; Free ThinkerNY; 70th Division; Candor7; Clintonfatigued; nutmeg; LucyT; ...

Political WAR! The American people won’t stand for their duplicity. Talk about throwing all of them out in November. No brainer!!!

Their arrogance is unbelievable and very, very stupid.


5 posted on 01/17/2010 2:10:32 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just try it, you commies, just try it....


6 posted on 01/17/2010 2:10:35 PM PST by goodnesswins (Become a Precinct Committee Person/Officer....in the GOP...or do NOT complain.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
Dems look at bypassing Senate health care vote

Can't they just 'blink' socialism into law?


7 posted on 01/17/2010 2:11:38 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: freeangel
I believe it too.

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8 posted on 01/17/2010 2:11:40 PM PST by OwenKellogg (GOE 1, July 4, Sep 12, and Nov 7 DC rallies)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s not clear the House will pass anything after Coakely takes a shellacking in Mass. (if that happens). Nothing could send a clearer message to the political class than a Republican winning in Mass running on the issue of rejecting health care and winning.


9 posted on 01/17/2010 2:11:45 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: freeangel
“shove it down our throats and next election we’ll shove it up your a$$.”

And this IS the next election.

10 posted on 01/17/2010 2:12:30 PM PST by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: freeangel
If the 'RATS' use the Nuclear Option on healthcare then I say we use a Nuclear Option on them

11 posted on 01/17/2010 2:12:36 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: goodnesswins

oathkeepers.org


12 posted on 01/17/2010 2:13:45 PM PST by manonCANAL
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Rather then worrying getting the Marxist cacucus in the House on board then Dems better be worrying about those 50+ Democrats sitting in seats representing Congressional Districts that voted for Bush 2xs and McCain last time.

Ram this thur and their political life expectancy is less then a fruit flys.

13 posted on 01/17/2010 2:13:59 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Either you are for "we, the people", or against us. There is no middle ground anymore)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The problem may lie in getting the house to accept the Senate version as their version in total especially if Brown wins in a blowout.


14 posted on 01/17/2010 2:14:17 PM PST by deport (44 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Of course they are. They are Anti-Constitutional, domestic enemies, of Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

They are slimy criminals that will tell any lie, cheat in any way necessary, and steal as much as they can, to get their way and live their dirty pervert perniciouys lives in as much hedonistic pleasure as they possibly can. Bribiong as many people as they can to keep their power.


15 posted on 01/17/2010 2:14:39 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Other thing Democrats need to think hard about. Why ram thru a bill and destroy your political majority when you know this piece of crap is going no where once the 13 State AG’s file their lawsuit?

Maybe the GOP isn't the only stupid party out there any more.

16 posted on 01/17/2010 2:16:32 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Either you are for "we, the people", or against us. There is no middle ground anymore)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hmmm....looking for bulk prices on TAR & FEATHERS.....Rails I got!


17 posted on 01/17/2010 2:17:07 PM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

If they try this they better just head home—to hide, because the biggest march on Washington ever seen will occur and it will not be pleasant for the lying Democrats.


18 posted on 01/17/2010 2:18:33 PM PST by comps4spice ("Fish have to swim. Birds have to fly. And liberal Democrats have to call their opponents racists".)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; ManoftheWest; bgill; Whenifhow; malkee; STE=Q; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; ...
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Dems look at bypassing Senate health care vote
Associated Press ^ | Jan. 17, 2010 | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:05:45 PM by Free ThinkerNY

BOSTON (AP) - A panicky White House and Democratic allies scrambled Sunday for a plan to salvage their hard-fought health care package in case a Republican wins Tuesday's Senate race in Massachusetts, which would enable the GOP to block further Senate action.

The likeliest scenario would require House Democrats to accept a bill the Senate passed last month, despite their objections to several parts.

19 posted on 01/17/2010 2:20:31 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The 'Rats clearly don't fear us. YET.

20 posted on 01/17/2010 2:20:42 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: VRWC For Truth

There ya go!! Now your talkin!


21 posted on 01/17/2010 2:21:58 PM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That strategy is sort of like Obama sinking a dagger into the heart of the Democratic Party.


22 posted on 01/17/2010 2:23:50 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Free ThinkerNY; ExTexasRedhead
The Dems would be absolutely insane to force a Senate vote with a 59 seat 2/3 majority, but they could.

And they are insane enough to do it. They might get their bill passed, but they would not have any constituency to speak of left to them. The writing is on the wall for the Helath Care Bill:

"OBAMA: PROCEED AT YOUR PERIL"

And thats the people speaking, not the so called Obamafied "special interests"

The Dems ignore that and Obama will NOT last until 2012. Count on it. We have all we need to get rid of him in the so called "birther files."

23 posted on 01/17/2010 2:24:29 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: Free ThinkerNY
A panicky White House and Democratic allies scrambled Sunday for a plan to salvage their hard-fought BRIBERY-INDUCED health care package in case a Republican wins Tuesday's Senate race in Massachusetts,
24 posted on 01/17/2010 2:26:58 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If Brown wins, good luck in herding all those demo-cats. With every single seat up in 2010, I cannot imagine that they are that stupid. How much is left in “slushulus”? Enough to bribe 30 votes or so that may go astray? And even if zippy can scrape enough bribe dollars together, are the house dems dumb enough to think that will save them in 2010?

Agenda or no, one thing I know about human nature is that people will always make the choice that offers them the most reward. I cannot imagine a scenario where passing the senate version of obamacare offers house democrats any reward whatsoever...other than obamalove which is worth less and less every day.


25 posted on 01/17/2010 2:32:31 PM PST by lovesdogs
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I honestly think it is dead if Brown wins. It will send a clear and jolting message to those who serve in seats that were held by Republican’s. I think it will die in the house.


26 posted on 01/17/2010 2:54:24 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: VRWC For Truth

Yep I keep envisioning that at the botton of the steps at the Capital. :)


27 posted on 01/17/2010 2:57:06 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Aides worked frantically Sunday

These people just don't get it. After watching the strengthening Tea Party movement followed up by the Massachusetts revolution the response is to speed up their corruption based backroom scheming?

They are truly dumber than a box of rocks.

28 posted on 01/17/2010 2:58:04 PM PST by Nasher (Newsflash (Boston): 0bama's Marxist Agenda Kicked In The Gonads By 'Kickoff Classic')
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If the Senate version is passed, the Unions will go apeshit.


29 posted on 01/17/2010 3:00:49 PM PST by Drea
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To: Nasher
Get out and send Scott some dough,

and do it all for Mary Joe!

30 posted on 01/17/2010 3:14:47 PM PST by danamco
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To: deport
The problem may lie in getting the house to accept the Senate version as their version in total especially if Brown wins in a blowout.

Despite all the talk about passing deathcare and finalizing it this weekend, I wonder if the rats in the house are delaying intentionally just to see how radioactive Obama and the bill have become based on this election? I'd like to think it's true.

Here's to hoping for a blowout of epic proportions.

31 posted on 01/17/2010 3:20:31 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This idea of he House just passing the Senate bill could run afoul of the origination clause in Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution, which states, “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives, but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.” Right now the Senate bill is a giant revenue bill that may well be unconstitutional because it originated in the Senate.
32 posted on 01/17/2010 3:27:53 PM PST by libstripper
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To: Nasher
These people just don't get it. After watching the strengthening Tea Party movement followed up by the Massachusetts revolution the response is to speed up their corruption based backroom scheming?

They are truly dumber than a box of rocks.

The Dems gotta learn that if you beat your head against a wall long enuf - pretty soon its gonna hurt ...

33 posted on 01/17/2010 3:30:08 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: Brilliant
That strategy is sort of like Obama sinking a dagger into the heart of the Democratic Party.

That depends on who they are planing to have count the votes in November, or next week for that matter.

34 posted on 01/17/2010 3:38:40 PM PST by El Gato
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To: LucyT
TANKS,Lu,,,

If hellcare don't pass amnesty won't have a chance...

35 posted on 01/17/2010 3:39:33 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Drea
If the Senate version is passed, the Unions will go apeshit.

So what are they going to do, endorse Republicans in 2010?

36 posted on 01/17/2010 3:40:19 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Free ThinkerNY
-The likeliest scenario would require House Democrats to accept a bill the Senate passed last month"...

GO AHEAD....


37 posted on 01/17/2010 4:19:34 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping LucyT.

This whole Healthcare thing I believe we all understand is a major money, and power grab by the Leftist movement.

Some still believe this line of thinking to be Tin Foil Hat stuff, but it’s true, or why else would there be such a them against us attitude from our alleged representation in the majority Democrat controlled Congress where 83 of the House members are card carrying “Progressive Caucus” Commies?

Here they are looking at any, and all possibilities to bypass, circumvent, force-feed, bluster through, cram-up, or jam down our throats a HealthCare law the vast majority of Americans don’t EVEN want.

This tells me the Democrats pushing this bill, and forcing, or trying to force other Leftist positions into laws with which we are allegedly to respect, and accept without a whimper aren’t working for the people of this Nation, but for themselves and their wealthy Socialist supporters globally that have the desire to see this Nation’s government crumpled, and tossed into the waste can of history so they can remake it in their own vision, and reap the benefits of the wealth of our resources upon themselves.

The “Congressional Progressive Caucus”, the Democrat members of Congress with ties to ideological opposition to our Constitution, the support from the International Communist Party of Obama, and the Leftist directions they are promoting all tell us a story that not that long ago would have met with derision.

We are at war, and the enemy is within the perimeter. We have to start taking aim at what we thought was/were our own. No quarter.


38 posted on 01/17/2010 4:28:55 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: libstripper

The way the House would get around that is to amend their orignal bill which they passed and sent to the Senate. The Senate made several amendments to the House bill and passed it and sent it back to the House. Rather than reconcilliation the House can accept all the changes to their bill the Senate sent back and pass it. All this is regarding H.R.3590, not some Senate orginated bill.


39 posted on 01/17/2010 4:35:08 PM PST by deport (44 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They will swallow if they are bribed enough.


40 posted on 01/17/2010 4:36:11 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It is funny, and kind of sad, that the media keeps going with this story line again and again.

What did the Senate ever do to pass legislation when one party didn’t have 60 votes? It’s like the media just assumes that you can’t pass any legislation unless you can do it with single-party domination?

Instead, why aren’t the media running the story that Obama will have to go back to what he pledged in the campaign, and actually WORK with Republicans to pass a bill.

That was always the “right” thing when the Republicans were in charge — but the media gives Obama a pass when he says he can’t accomplish anything unless he has a bullet-proof democratic majority in the Senate.


41 posted on 01/17/2010 7:35:39 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: blueyon

“this should make every voter mad as
h*ll...they are not even following procedures. We the people have been pushed aside”
++++++++++++++++++

Exactly!


42 posted on 01/18/2010 8:05:59 AM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
...why aren’t the [socialist] media running the story that Obama will have to go back to what he pledged in the campaign, and actually WORK with Republicans to pass a bill.

That was always the “right” thing when the Republicans were in charge — but the [socialist] media gives Obama a pass when he says he can’t accomplish anything unless he has a bullet-proof democratic majority in the Senate.
+++++++++++++++++

I hope I clarified...:)
43 posted on 01/18/2010 8:08:55 AM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Rotsa Ruck getting the blue dogs to swallow that.”
+++++++++++++++++

It’s very pleasant that they’re having this problem, to say the least.


44 posted on 01/18/2010 8:14:09 AM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: libstripper

Good point. Add it to all the other grounds for unconstitutionality if they try this.


45 posted on 01/18/2010 8:16:23 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The last vote the House took on this topic garnered 220 votes in favor. They needed 218. We need to peel away only 3 democrat votes to kill this bill in the House. EVERY House member is up for reelection in November. Every democrat needs to be reminded that a yes vote for this bill is a guaranteed NO vote for their November candidacy.


46 posted on 01/18/2010 8:17:23 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: MNJohnnie

“Maybe the GOP isn’t the only stupid party out there any more.”
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Come on. The RATS have always been stupid. They just pulled over a huge fast one last Nov. that really lurched us leftward. Now we’re seeing the nation correct - and it’s a huge sigh of release. Both parties need reformation from the stupidity of a professional political class (how could we have allowed such a thing??) - but our target has rightly been the Republicans whose base has been traditionally Conservative, and as such should not be allowing such things, and who should be presenting a stark alternative to the RATS. At last we’re seeing some of that.


47 posted on 01/18/2010 8:18:41 AM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: WeatherGuy

Thanks for that important clarification. It’s all too easy to pass by these socialist press presumptions.


48 posted on 01/18/2010 8:21:02 AM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: SeattleBruce
Both parties need reformation from the stupidity of a professional political class

I agree. Case in point Bush's last press conference last January. I was at an auto dealer getting my car fixed and happen to catch a bit of GW Bushes last press conference in January.

It was just infuriating.

It was like "Where the heck has this been the last 4 years" If the Bush of the last press conference has shown up at a press conference say 2xs a month for the last 4 years, we might not be in this mess now. Bush, by listening to his political handlers serious screwed up. Rush Limbaugh told them. Let Bush be Bush, but no they listen to the inept GOP political handlers instead.

The GOP leadership needs to purge it political handlers. Pretty obvious the Leftists made a calculated effort to get "moderates" in potions where then could manipulate the GOP's PR machine.

Steven Schmidt of the McCain campaign is the prime example of people who should be fired an NEVER work on another GOP campaign ever.

49 posted on 01/18/2010 8:32:14 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Either you are for "we, the people", or against us. There is no middle ground anymore)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I haven’t seen anyone post this theory yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a Brown win in Massachusetts results in the Marxist Dems making a desperate attempt to court a RINO like Olympia Snowe to switch parties by bribing her with hundreds of millions of dollars in tax payer money. Granted, it’s highly unlikely they would succeed because I don’t think Snowe or any Republican would do something so stupid and corrupt at this point, but I certainly wouldn’t put it past the kamakaze Dem party to do whatever they think they need to advance their putridly evil agenda.

Nonetheless, I see the glass half full (not half empty) and I’m pumped about the shot that may well be heard around the world tomorrow night if Brown takes Massachusetts like the polls and news seem to suggest!


50 posted on 01/18/2010 8:41:09 AM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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