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Wow: Obama administration says “Taliban must take legitimate role” in Afghanistan
The Gateway Pundit ^ | January 22, 2010, | Jim Hoft

Posted on 01/22/2010 5:14:56 PM PST by ColdOne

For all that our boys have fought and died for, we’re now giving legitimacy to the same enemy we went there defeat? Imagine how our troops overseas must be feeling about the news that their Commander in Chief wants to legitimize the very enemy they’re trying to defeat. Sad…

NY Times - The United States recognizes that the Taliban are now part of the political fabric of Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here on Friday, but the group must be prepared to play a legitimate role before it can reconcile with the Afghan government.

That means, Mr. Gates said, that the Taliban must

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KEYWORDS: appeasers; morons; obama; obamorons; surrenderjunkies; taliban
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1 posted on 01/22/2010 5:14:57 PM PST by ColdOne
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This man is just Awful...


2 posted on 01/22/2010 5:16:25 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: ColdOne

This has been the Kenya Muslim’s plan all along. Increase troop strength in Afghanistan. Claim that Al Qaeda is the enemy, not the Taliban. Declare Al Qaeda defeated and claim victory. Withdraw troops and install the Taliban as at least a partial solution in a coalition government.


3 posted on 01/22/2010 5:18:09 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: ColdOne

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/wow-obama-administration-says-%E2%80%9Ctaliban-must-take-legitimate-role%E2%80%9D-in-afghanistan/

Your top link did not work


4 posted on 01/22/2010 5:19:34 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - Read it and weep)
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To: ColdOne
Gates was fully responsible for removing the top officers at Walter Reed hospital back during the supposed scandal. Those two might well have been able to deal with then Captain Hasan had they fully understood his involvement in the Washington Post's investigation of the matter (recall, it all focused on activities in/around the mental health outpatient operation, which is where Hasan worked).

Alas, Gates sacked the top guys, the junior officers were scared witless and gave Hasan ratings he didn't deserve, and the rest is history.

So, were you referring to Gates or to Goober? A good case can be made with either one that "they" are part of the Taliban counteroffensive on the domestic front and cannot be trusted.

5 posted on 01/22/2010 5:21:09 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: ColdOne

Plant food is the only role for Taliban.


6 posted on 01/22/2010 5:21:09 PM PST by Farmer Dean (every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains)
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To: ColdOne
Draw up another Article of Impeachment.

For introduction in the House Judiciary Committee by the Republic Majority, in January 2011.

7 posted on 01/22/2010 5:21:58 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Obama outsourcing his "Reichstag Fire" to foreign Islamoterrorists now on or heading to US soil?)
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To: ColdOne

Disgusting! Why are we there if we’re going to give the Taliban a seat at the table. And where are the feminists on this little deal? Huh?


8 posted on 01/22/2010 5:22:14 PM PST by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: ColdOne

Right...they’re going to compromise with people who THROW ACID on girls who study or dress immodestly...

IS THERE NO BOTTOM TO HIS NAIVETE...??


9 posted on 01/22/2010 5:24:38 PM PST by gaijin
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To: ColdOne

It’s conventional wisdom that when one finds themself stuck in a real deep hole, it’s a good idea to stop digging.

But, Obama and his ilk have no wisdom, and I think they are heading toward making it all the way to China. They must be the saddest and most idiotic bunch of all time.


10 posted on 01/22/2010 5:25:42 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: ColdOne

How is this not officially a surrender?


11 posted on 01/22/2010 5:26:04 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: ColdOne

He truly is delusional....


12 posted on 01/22/2010 5:26:51 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: ColdOne

This is the equivalent of declaring Methodists to be part of the American political fabric. It is true. Methodists did not rise to power and destroy the society but the analogy still holds.

It is the task of the Afghan elders to bring the Taliban to heel. It is the task of the allied forces to make the place safe so the elders can gain control and act.


13 posted on 01/22/2010 5:27:23 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: ColdOne

I heard tonight that the Afghan government was outlawing the use of amonium nitrate fertilizer. Obviously its because its being used in bombs but I think outlawing its use is going to backfire because it will make it even harder to farm.

If the farmers can’t farm, who are they going to turn to for a source of income?


14 posted on 01/22/2010 5:29:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: ColdOne

WTF_ Over ?


15 posted on 01/22/2010 5:29:38 PM PST by onona (DBDBA)
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To: ColdOne

First step toward partition? There is a large chasm between the primitive tribesmen in the ‘countryside’ and the ‘civilized’ part in the North.


16 posted on 01/22/2010 5:31:22 PM PST by expatpat
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To: ColdOne

And which legitimate role would that be? Beating women and burning their schools down? Blowing up priceless, historic Buddhist carvings? Stoning people to death? Beheading their political enemies? The bad judgment of this administration is criminal and dangerous. How can we even be thinking of treating these creatures like they’re “legitimate”?


17 posted on 01/22/2010 5:31:57 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: ColdOne
We have supported ruthless dictators, thugs and other reprobates privately, but this might be the first time in the modern era where an American president has called for reconciliation with a regime that has engaged in such blatant violations of human rights. Not only can women not vote in a Taliban government, but they can't read either. Where is NOW and all the other feminists in the world standing up for women who actually need some support, and not just to murder their unborn children.
18 posted on 01/22/2010 5:32:13 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: La Lydia
Wow: Obama administration says “Taliban must take legitimate role” in Afghanistan

Fertilizer for opium poppies.
19 posted on 01/22/2010 5:33:37 PM PST by aruanan
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To: blueyon

Thank You I usually check it.. I thought it worked ... thank you again.


20 posted on 01/22/2010 5:34:21 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: ColdOne
This man is just Awful...

Spilled milk.

21 posted on 01/22/2010 5:34:30 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ColdOne
Obama ally Jodie Evans met with the Taliban and then relayed messages from Afghanistan to Obama last fall.
22 posted on 01/22/2010 5:36:22 PM PST by kristinn (A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words.)
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To: johniegrad

It is his plan. A few months ago I read in an India newspaper the administrations plan is to give money to the Taliban to put down their weapons. Buy them off.. Yeah this will work!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a fool


23 posted on 01/22/2010 5:37:18 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: truthandlife
He truly is delusional....

He's focused IMO.

Everything he has done to date since he has been in the Oval Office has promoted "CHANGE" for America as we know it.

24 posted on 01/22/2010 5:37:52 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: kristinn

Code Pink post. I read that.. This man is just awful.. Anything else I say may get me in trouble!


25 posted on 01/22/2010 5:39:49 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: ColdOne

That man says nothing that his boss hasnt preapproved...

Damn them all...


26 posted on 01/22/2010 5:45:22 PM PST by Crim
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To: ColdOne
Well, at least now I won't be caught totally off-guard when a State dinner for Mullah Omar is held at the White House.
27 posted on 01/22/2010 5:47:46 PM PST by Shqipo (Palin/Thompson 2012)
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To: ColdOne

If this were 1944 he’d be saying what...that the NAZI’s would need to be part of the new Germany?

What a FREAKING - COMPLETE - FOOL!!


28 posted on 01/22/2010 5:51:37 PM PST by R0CK3T
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To: ColdOne

This man Obummer is one of them. He will have us under Sharia Law.

We better wake up before its to late.

Join the Brown revolution.


29 posted on 01/22/2010 5:55:09 PM PST by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world.)
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To: ColdOne
Has to be a false report.

This is simply unbelievable.

30 posted on 01/22/2010 5:56:53 PM PST by Touch Not the Cat
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To: ColdOne
What's he going to say next? That communists should have a legitimate role in the United States?

Oh wait, he doesn't need to.

31 posted on 01/22/2010 6:05:04 PM PST by C210N (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: La Lydia
How can we even be thinking of treating these creatures like they’re “legitimate”? The only explanation he must be one of them!
32 posted on 01/22/2010 6:08:59 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: ColdOne

Ugh! I’m about to lose my lunch!


33 posted on 01/22/2010 6:16:51 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: ColdOne

Any comment from NOW yet?


34 posted on 01/22/2010 6:35:16 PM PST by bergmeid (Gas up the truck and pedal to the metal!)
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To: ColdOne; blueyon; Farmer Dean; AmericanInTokyo; pepperdog; autumnraine; expatpat; R0CK3T; ...

Of interest:

There is nothing called the ‘moderate Taliban’

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/mj-akbar/the-siege-within/There-is-nothing-called-the-moderate-Taliban/articleshow/4390292.cms

The Times of India

12 April 2009, 12:44am IST

If necessity is the mother of invention then politics is often the father. Barack Obama has invented a phrase that did not exist on January 20, the day he became president. Anxious to win a war through the treasury rather than the Pentagon, he has discovered something called the “moderate Taliban” in Afghanistan. Joe Biden, his vice president, has found the mathematical coordinates of this oxymoron: only 5% of the Taliban are “extremists”.

Welcome to Obama’s first big mistake.

The war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not simply against some bearded men and beardless boys who have been turned into suicide missionaries. The critical conflict is against the ideology of a chauvinistic theocracy that seeks to remould the Muslim world into a regressive region from which it can assault every aspect of modernity, whether that be in political space or the social sphere.

Washington has a single dimension definition of “moderate”: anyone who stops an active, immediate war against the US is a “moderate”. Let me introduce him to a couple of “moderate Taliban”. They are now world famous, having been on every national and international news channel these past few days, stars of a video clip from Swat. Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.

Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the “moderate” music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.

These Taliban are “moderate” by the norms of the Obama Doctrine: they have come to a deal with America through Islamabad. Pakistani troops are not engaged in their medieval haven, nor are American Drones bombing their homes. All that remains, one presumes, is that they are placed on the Pentagon payroll as insurance of their ceasefire.

Perhaps, in their desperate search for moderation, Obama and Islamabad will promote the denial being manipulated into public discourse. The unbearable Swat-lashing video is now described as fake. It would be nice to know the names of the actors who played such a convincing part in the filming of this ‘fake’. Chand Bibi has “denied” any such incident. Sure: but was any doctor sent to check the scars?

Such compromise with ‘moderation’ has also taken place next door, in Afghanistan, under the watchful eye of American ally Hamid Karzai. He has just signed a family law bill which compels Afghan women to take permission from their husbands before going to a doctor, seeking education, or getting a job. The husband has become complete master of the bedroom. Custody of children can only go to fathers or grandfathers; women have no rights. A member of Afghanistan’s upper house, Senator Humaira Namati, has called this law “worse than during the Taliban (government). Anyone who spoke out was accused of being against Islam”. It makes no difference to the Taliban, of course, that the Quran expressly forbids Muslim men from forcing decisions on their wives “against their will”. Karzai’s justification is the usual one: politics. He wanted the support of theocrats in the election scheduled for August this year. Under pressure, there is talk of a review but no one is sure what that means.

If it’s democracy, it must be “moderate”, right?

One can understand a post-Iraq America’s reluctance towards wars that seem straight out of Kipling. But we in the region have to live with the political consequences of superpower intervention, and the casual legitimacy that Obama is offering to a destructive ideology will create blowback that spreads far beyond the geography of “Afpak”.

Benazir Bhutto and the ISI did not create the Taliban in the winter of 1994 for war against America. Its purpose was to defeat fractious Afghan warlords, and establish a totalitarian regime that would equate Afghanistan’s strategic interests to Pakistan’s. The ISI conceived an “Afpak” long before the idea reached the outer rim of Washington’s thinking. Pakistan worked assiduously to widen the Taliban’s legitimacy and would have drawn America into the fold through the oil-pipeline siren song if Osama bin Laden had not blown every plan apart. In some essentials, things have not changed. Pakistan’s interests still lie in a pro-Islamabad Taliban regime in Kabul. The “moderation” theory is a ploy to provide war-weary America with an exit point. India’s anxieties will be offered a smile in public and a shrug in private.

History is uncomfortable with neat closures. Neither the Taliban nor Pakistan are what they were in 1994: the former
is much stronger, the latter substantially weaker. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban this time could be a curtain raiser to the siege of Islamabad.

There is nothing called a moderate lash, or backlash, President Obama.


35 posted on 01/22/2010 6:37:18 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

I wonder it the new MA Senator and others will still praise the President’s position on Afghanistan.


36 posted on 01/22/2010 6:54:11 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: James C. Bennett

Thank you for the link..... I just have to wonder, this guy is bad news.


37 posted on 01/22/2010 6:59:57 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: ColdOne

I am only part way through the threads tonight. I believe my head is exploding.


38 posted on 01/22/2010 7:01:42 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: ColdOne
Well, as you may know, I do not like 0bama. However, to be fair and consistent, National reconciliation in Afghanistan has been talked about by General Petraeus and by General Ordinario since 2006.
39 posted on 01/22/2010 7:05:39 PM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Perdogg

Well noted. To me it is the overall picture.. One thing alone may not be big (well yes it is) But need to be fair , I agree.


40 posted on 01/22/2010 7:13:37 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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You mean Obama is just gonna hand Afghanistan over to the same Taliban that oppressed it for five years, on a silver platter?

OGBSM!!!

41 posted on 01/22/2010 7:21:10 PM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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Here is the link

http://www.newshoggers.com/blog/2009/08/petraus-mcchrystal-pick-brit-as-taliban-negotiator.html


42 posted on 01/22/2010 7:27:33 PM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: ColdOne

Insanity.


43 posted on 01/22/2010 7:30:51 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace
NOT insanity. Carefully planned to destroy America.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
"
President Ronald Reagan

44 posted on 01/22/2010 7:34:55 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: ColdOne

Change for the feminists with Obama: in with the Taleban. Oh, ok, I get it, the game of their team is to get out of murder by being able to sing on top of minarets or on the top 50 miss porn channel noisiest orgasm.


45 posted on 01/22/2010 7:35:54 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Diogenesis

The insane can do careful, even meticulous, planning.


46 posted on 01/22/2010 7:39:28 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Perdogg
Even in that article is saysWhether it will work or not is anyone's guess. Many Taliban commanders have indicated that they are willing to down arms - after the occupaiers have left the country And you know all who helped us will be killed . I just get mad and madder with him.
47 posted on 01/22/2010 7:59:39 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: Nachum

In case you and I missed it.


48 posted on 01/22/2010 8:01:08 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
...the Taliban are now part of the political fabric of Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said here on Friday, but the group must be prepared to play a legitimate role before it can reconcile with the Afghan government.
Thanks ColdOne.
49 posted on 01/22/2010 8:07:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: ColdOne

Zero is a muslim, what else would you expect.


50 posted on 01/22/2010 8:36:30 PM PST by bergmeid (Gas up the truck and pedal to the metal!)
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