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To: Windflier
Do you agree with our Constitution, or not? What you're proposing is again, a violation of the First Amendment.

Every citizen has the right to free speech. Fictitious entities, be it a corporation, union or political action committee or whatever do not have that same right to speak for an individual. Those entities are free to speak to their individual members and urge them to give money to politicians, but they do not have a right force their members to donate to a politicians (i.e. put words in their mouth.) That decision should be left to the individual.

If you had a job that required you to pay union dues, do you like the idea of that union giving your money to politicians you do not approve of? Same goes for stockholders in corporations. And PACs are simply a way to launder money extorted from individuals through the corrupt K-Street lobby industry.

None of those have anything to do with free speech. They are just about buying political influence.

Politicians aren't elected to represent unions, corporations or political causes. They are to represent the people. Allowing those fictitious entities to bundle money, our money, and use it to buy a louder voice with politicians.

37 posted on 01/24/2010 11:45:09 AM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: Ditto

Free speech that involves financial expenditures to get a bigger audience for that free speech is still free speech.


49 posted on 01/24/2010 2:02:06 PM PST by Dr. North
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To: Ditto
Fictitious entities, be it a corporation, union or political action committee or whatever do not have that same right to speak for an individual. Those entities are free to speak to their individual members and urge them to give money to politicians, but they do not have a right force their members to donate to a politicians (i.e. put words in their mouth.) That decision should be left to the individual..

Individuals have the right to contribute to a political action committee, or not. They have the right to own or buy stock in a corporation, or not. Presently they have the right to work for a union represented business, or not. How are the forced to contribute?

50 posted on 01/24/2010 2:17:23 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Ditto
Every citizen has the right to free speech. Fictitious entities, be it a corporation, union or political action committee or whatever do not have that same right to speak for an individual.

I'm afraid that you're just wrong on this. Read the 1st Amendment again. It doesn't say anything about a difference between individual rights and group rights.

The plain language of the 1st Amendment says what it says. You're interpreting it to mean what you want it to mean, and dubbing in something that it does not state.

If the members of a corporation want to put money toward promoting a candidate for office, or contribute to that candidate's campaign, then under our Constitution, they have every right to do so.

My wife and I, and one other partner happen to be a corporation of just three people. Are you saying that people like us should not have the right to speak out in support of a candidate, or spend our money to support them because we're legally incorporated?

That would be absurd. Where do you draw the line in your reasoning?

57 posted on 01/24/2010 8:12:24 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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