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'Jews exploit Holocaust as propaganda'
Jerusalem Post ^ | 1/25/10 | staff

Posted on 01/25/2010 3:04:18 PM PST by Nachum

The Holocaust only gets media coverage because of affluent Jews' financial backing, military might and lobbying fronts, presenting a skewed version of events to the world, a high-ranking Polish bishop told a Catholic news portal on Monday.

Tadeusz Pieronek, a Polish bishop and professor and a friend of the last pope, John Paul II, claimed that "the Holocaust as such is a Jewish invention" promoted in the press by Jews to gain support for Israel.

Pieronek told the Web site Pontifex.roma that while the Holocaust was not exclusively Jewish, Jews had monopolized it in lieu of encouraging "serious historical debate, free from prejudice and victimization."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: exploit; holocaust; jews; propaganda; skinheadsonfr
"This promotes a certain arrogance that I find unbearable," he said, explaining that Israel was using its position of power and exploiting historical tragedies to treat the Palestinians "like animals."

"The anti-Semitic history of Poland is an invention," he said. "A joke ... offensive to our people."

1 posted on 01/25/2010 3:04:18 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

My father took pictures of Auschwitz-Birkenau Camps when he was with Patton in WW2.

I still have those pictures today.


2 posted on 01/25/2010 3:07:32 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Nachum

I winder why this Israeli hater is still a Bishop?


3 posted on 01/25/2010 3:08:03 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: Nachum

“The anti-Semitic history of Poland is an invention,” he said. “A joke ... offensive to our people.”

he’s not helping


4 posted on 01/25/2010 3:09:07 PM PST by ari-freedom (Obamacare: nananana nananana hey hey hey goodbye!)
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To: Graybeard58
I winder why this Israeli hater is still a Bishop?

I "winder" and wonder too.

5 posted on 01/25/2010 3:09:09 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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To: Nachum

Maybe Poland needs another invasion...Muslims this time...to wake them up...or kill all of them that aren’t muzzies...


6 posted on 01/25/2010 3:14:09 PM PST by jessduntno ("If you lose MA and that's not a wake-up call, there's no hope of waking up." - Evan Bayh)
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To: Nachum

Seriously infortunate remarks.


7 posted on 01/25/2010 3:14:12 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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8 posted on 01/25/2010 3:31:23 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Nachum
The Holocaust certainly gets a lot of attention.

Far greater numbers of people were killed in Russia and China by the Communists but these tragedies are hardly ever mentioned by the media or anyone else.

Michael Savaged discussed this issue on his show one day. He claimed more Christians died in the Holocaust than Jews.

9 posted on 01/25/2010 3:36:20 PM PST by Wahoo82
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To: Nachum

Well, I can understand why he is saying this. Millions of Catholic Poles died in the death camps, as well as Jews. And it was German Nazis who killed them, not Poles. And Stalin killed his share, too, including the massacre of most of Poland’s officers.

Poland was caught between Hitler and Stalin, who divided the country up in the Hitler-Stalin pact, and the Poles were invaded and massacred from both sides. Yet Poland often gets the blame for antisemitism from the leftists. On the contrary, Poland was one of the freest and most democratic countries in Europe, until the onslaught from Cossacks and others put an end to it. That’s one reason why there used to be so many Jewish settlements in Poland.

Still, this was a foolish thing to have said. However much Poland suffered, it doesn’t help to belittle the Holocaust.


10 posted on 01/25/2010 3:40:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Maybe I should add that we don’t know how much his words have been distorted. He would not be the first to wonder why the Millions of Poles who died in the death camps should not be mentioned. Indeed, I hope he did not phrase it as this article suggests he did.


11 posted on 01/25/2010 3:43:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Nachum
The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering
12 posted on 01/25/2010 3:44:09 PM PST by FTJM
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To: Nachum

After watching Beck’s show on Friday, I do think that not enough attention has been paid to some other, larger massacres. Hitler is the left’s favorite bogey man, yet they ignore Stalin and Mao.


13 posted on 01/25/2010 3:48:34 PM PST by sportutegrl (I was for Sarah Palin before being for Sarah was cool.)
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To: Nachum
"Jews use Holocaust as propaganda weapon, says Catholic bishop"
14 posted on 01/25/2010 4:23:20 PM PST by Moe Tzadik
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To: Moe Tzadik

“It should not be that one group steals this tragedy and uses it for propaganda purposes,” the bishop was quoted as saying.

He then added that the Holocaust had been used as a “propaganda weapon” by Jews to achieve “often unjustified advantages”.

In comments that could infuriate Israel still further, Bishop Pieronek went on to suggest that Jewish manipulation of the Holocaust had helped to silence international criticism of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians.

“But they, the Jews, have a good press, because of their powerful financial resources – extremely powerful through the unconditional support of the United States.

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I’d like to ask the Bishop what he thinks is the largest, most entrenched homosexual pedophile group in the history of the world.


15 posted on 01/25/2010 4:41:07 PM PST by Moe Tzadik
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To: Cicero

***Maybe I should add that we don’t know how much his words have been distorted. He would not be the first to wonder why the Millions of Poles who died in the death camps should not be mentioned. Indeed, I hope he did not phrase it as this article suggests he did.***

That was my thought on reading the article, too. Perhaps the article is an attempt to divide the Christians and the Jews.


16 posted on 01/25/2010 4:48:35 PM PST by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: Halgr
My father took pictures of Auschwitz-Birkenau Camps when he was with Patton in WW2.

When was Patton at Auschwitz, far beyond the American zone of occcupation?

17 posted on 01/25/2010 6:06:03 PM PST by Castlebar
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To: jessduntno
Maybe Poland needs another invasion...Muslims this time...to wake them up...or kill all of them that aren’t muzzies...

The Poles know how to handle Muslims.

Battle of Vienna

18 posted on 01/25/2010 6:16:06 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: Castlebar; Halgr
When was Patton at Auschwitz, far beyond the American zone of occcupation?

He was with Obama's uncle.

Obama gaffe

19 posted on 01/25/2010 6:20:32 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: FTJM; Nachum; SJackson

The link you posted is to Amazon’s listing of Norman Finkelstein’s book. Finkelstein is a Holocaust denier.

Your post is offensive.


20 posted on 01/25/2010 7:53:25 PM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: dervish
The link you posted is to Amazon’s listing of Norman Finkelstein’s book. Finkelstein is a Holocaust denier.

Finkelstein is a Jew who doesn't deny the Holocaust.

Your post is offensive in its ignorance.

21 posted on 01/25/2010 8:06:36 PM PST by FTJM
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To: Nachum
"The anti-Semitic history of Poland is an invention," he said. "A joke ... offensive to our people."
He is either senile, deluded, or an antisemite. While ethnic Poles were better than most Polish Ukrainians, there was plenty of antisemitism in pre-war Poland. The colonels who replaced Pidulski were full on antisemites. After the war, many Poles killed Jews who tried to reclaim their property. And the post-war communist government was very antisemitic.

In so far as Poland lost 6 million people (20% of its population) and only half were Jewish, I can understand soe bitterness at what they see as appropriation. However, let us not forget that the communist government of Poland actually tried to downplay Jewish deaths, perhaps as cover for their antisemitism. Meanwhile, East Germans and other communists used the Holocaust to attack all nationalism. I see no condemnation of this. I also see no condemnation of homosexuals trying to appropriate the Holocaust. Instead, he is singling out Jews and claims against Israel. The bishop does himself no favors.

22 posted on 01/25/2010 8:10:14 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: FTJM
Do you normally quote communists who hang out with David Duke and Ahmadinejad?
23 posted on 01/25/2010 8:12:02 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: jessduntno

No, they don;t. Besides, they remember the Muslims siding with the Nazis.


24 posted on 01/25/2010 8:13:43 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: FTJM
Finkelstein is a Jew who doesn't deny the Holocaust.
Finkelstein is a Communist of Jewish descent, who hangs out with Holocaust deniers, playing the post-modernist game of redefining facts out of existence. In so far as his entire schtick is to claim personal victimhood and turn Jews into Nazis, he is a denier, and you are fool.
25 posted on 01/25/2010 8:16:05 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: rmlew
Do you normally quote communists who hang out with David Duke and Ahmadinejad?

I didn't quote him. I'll quote his website now though, and the Washington Post:

"In Tuesday's column about academic freedom, I mentioned writer Norman Finkelstein, who lectured recently at Georgetown University. Although neo-Nazi groups have cited his work in support of their theories, Finkelstein has never denied the existence of the Holocaust, and I did not intend to suggest that. "

Both of Finkelstein's parents survived concentration camps. Nice try though.

26 posted on 01/25/2010 8:23:35 PM PST by FTJM
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To: Cicero
Still, this was a foolish thing to have said. However much Poland suffered, it doesn’t help to belittle the Holocaust.

As a Catholic of Polish-heritage, I agree wholeheartedly.

27 posted on 01/25/2010 8:33:03 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: FTJM
Stop digging. Finkelstein is a communist antisemite.

Finkelstien claims that he is no denier. Woud you prefer belittler and one who tries to make Jews into persecutors? Such moral inversion for political purposes has the same intentional effect as denial: to make hatred of Jews acceptable. Both of Finkelstein's parents survived concentration camps. Nice try though.
And unlike my father, they obviously suffered genetic damage.

PS.

28 posted on 01/25/2010 8:33:09 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: rmlew

Thank God that Kaczynski is not on board with this nonsense. He has done more to try to build Polish-Jewish relations than any other Polish leader, and he has been a true friend of Israel.


29 posted on 01/25/2010 8:37:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Nachum

Considering about 9,000,000 Poles were murdered in Nazi Concentration camps, vs. 6,000,000 Jews....and “The Holocaust” is usually portrayed as primarily if not exclusively Jewish...he may have a point.


31 posted on 01/26/2010 11:04:46 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: dervish
Yes, but what’s FTJM’s parents excuse??

Wow, attacking someone's parents. That's some great intellectual integrity you have.

32 posted on 01/26/2010 11:05:21 AM PST by FTJM
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To: Wahoo82
Michael Savaged discussed this issue on his show one day. He claimed more Christians died in the Holocaust than Jews.

I don't agree with everything Bishop Pieronek is saying by any means, however, the constant portrayal of the Nazis as ONLY hating and persecuting Jews in popular media, I know, really does grate on the millions of other peoples which were targeted by the Nazi butchers.

Considering that the Polish were (and are) very religious people, it is a definite fact that more Christians were killed than Jews (9 million Poles, and something around 5 million other non-Jewish civilians).

Now, were they specifically targeted because of Christianity? Not usually--the Nazis just despised Slavic peoples, with the same kind of rabid racism as they did others.

Was a special cruelty and hatred reserved for Jews? Yes, I think so, however, the sufferings and murder of millions of non-Jews in central Europe needs to be acknowledged--or it gives anti-Semitism an excuse.

33 posted on 01/26/2010 11:16:53 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: All
My statistics were off. Still, my main point is, to keep anti-Semitism at bay, the purposeful murder of many millions of non-Jewish civilians by the Nazi's needs to be recognized....especially in the popular media.

I believe Jewish scholars first started using "The Holocaust" phrase as only referring to Jews, because SUCH a high percentage of European Jewery was murdered, it really was a national holocaust for Jews.

It is appropriate however to acknowledge an expanded definition of "The Holocaust" to include all civilians purposefully killed by the Nazis.

According the most authoritative source (U. of Hawaii) on the subject: "Besides Jews, the Germans murdered near 2,400,000 Poles, 3,000,000 Ukrainians, 1,593,000 Russians, and 1,400,000 Byelorussians, many of these among the best and the brightest men and women."

Here are the full statistics:


34 posted on 01/26/2010 11:37:40 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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