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Top uniformed officer: Gay ban should be lifted [CJCS Mike Mullen ]
WaPo ^ | February 2, 2010; 1:36 PM | ANNE FLAHERTY and ANNE GEARAN

Posted on 02/02/2010 11:15:04 AM PST by Red Steel

WASHINGTON -- The military's top uniformed officer on Tuesday made an impassioned plea for allowing gays to serve openly in uniform, telling a Senate panel it was a matter of integrity and that it is wrong to force people to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

The comments by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, set the stage for the military's yearlong study into how the ban can repealed without causing a major upheaval to the fighting forces.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, appearing with Mullen before the Armed Services Committee, announced plans to loosen enforcement rules involving the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that has been in effect since 1993.

President Barack Obama has called for a repeal of the policy, a move that require congressional action. If he succeeds, it would mark the biggest shake up to military personnel policies since President Harry S. Truman's 1948 executive order integrating the services.

"No matter how I look at the issue," Mullen said, "I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens." Noting that he was speaking for himself and not for the other service chiefs, Mullen added: "For me, it comes down to integrity - theirs as individuals and ours as an institution."

Sen. John McCain, the ranking Republican on the panel, publicly bristled at the Pentagon's decision to the study, saying he is "deeply disappointed" and calling the assessment "clearly biased" because it presumes the law should be changed.

Has this policy been ideal? No, it has not," McCain said. "But it has been effective."

Several other Republicans

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KEYWORDS: gates; gays; homosexualagenda; mullen; obama
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1 posted on 02/02/2010 11:15:05 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

So the Navy wants homos - and this is a surprise? Semper Fi


2 posted on 02/02/2010 11:16:31 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Red Steel

Easy to say General Mullen when you don’t have to bunk or shower with these individuals.


3 posted on 02/02/2010 11:17:04 AM PST by notaliberal
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To: Red Steel

Freakin’ idiot. Spend time as an enlisted and tell me how much you like having gays with you. The quarters are too close.


4 posted on 02/02/2010 11:17:17 AM PST by brownsfan (The average American: Uninformed, and unconcerned.)
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To: Red Steel
... it is wrong to force people to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

No, homosexuality is what is wrong. Facilitating the practice of homosexuality is wrong. Adm. Mike Mullen is wrong.

5 posted on 02/02/2010 11:18:40 AM PST by Obadiah (Democrats and their life partners, the MSM)
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To: Red Steel

So - Mike Mullen agrees with Congressman Joe Sestak. Who knew?


6 posted on 02/02/2010 11:19:08 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Red Steel
"...it is wrong to force people to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens." ..."

you cannot defend your fellow citizens when you are preoccupied with having swordfights in the showers.

Eww, I just grossed myself out.

This article reeks of leftist politics. No military man in his rigfht mind would approve of gutting the military, which is exactly what this amounts to.

7 posted on 02/02/2010 11:19:40 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: Red Steel

I urge everyone to call their Senator and Congressional Representative TODAY!! Everyone I know in the military is outraged at Obama’s attempt to inject active homosexuality into the barracks and showers of the armed forces. Here we go again with another Dem idiot trying to social engineer the military.


8 posted on 02/02/2010 11:21:10 AM PST by DesertRenegade
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To: I Buried My Guns

“Easy to say General Mullen when you don’t have to bunk or shower with these individuals.”

Exactly.

What happened to the rights of “straights” to privacy?


9 posted on 02/02/2010 11:21:48 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Red Steel
that it is wrong to force people to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

But forcing people to accept this societal abomination is just honky dory? The military has lost its bearings. It is adopting self destructive polices and behaviors.

“Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” Casey said

10 posted on 02/02/2010 11:21:48 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

I fear too many of our higher-ranking officers appear to have been selected for their PC-compatibility rather than for their military competence. . .


11 posted on 02/02/2010 11:23:12 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Red Steel

No matter his rank, I’ll always think of him as a Rear Admiral.


12 posted on 02/02/2010 11:23:35 AM PST by peyton randolph (Obama Luti)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

“Noting that he was speaking for himself and not for the other service chiefs, Mullen ...”


13 posted on 02/02/2010 11:23:50 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Red Steel

If the ban is lifted homosexuals will flock to the military and overrun it and have the full force of military law behind them, the military will be theirs.


14 posted on 02/02/2010 11:23:53 AM PST by GonzoII (Freedom is not license.)
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To: Red Steel
Didn't Mullen say like 6 months ago that the policy shouldn't be changed? Oh, that was before Obama said he wanted to change it. Now it's good.

Man, this guy is such a suck up it's disgusting. Between him and Gates I don't see who has the stones to defend the military from the "I loathe the military" democrat powers that be.

15 posted on 02/02/2010 11:24:01 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: CondorFlight

Nothing new there, at least not since the Clinton years.


16 posted on 02/02/2010 11:24:56 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Red Steel

I thought Admiral Mike Mullen was a loser when Bush was President. His response to the Chinese submarine that come up in the middle of the fleet was typical.

It’s obvious why Obama chose to promote him.


17 posted on 02/02/2010 11:25:00 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Red Steel
As usual, like politicians, corporate executives, the military top brass are out of touch with the rank and file soldiers.

Wonder what he would think if he has to share a shower room and toilet room with those people ? He has his nice private shower and toilet. The rank and file don't.
18 posted on 02/02/2010 11:29:10 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: Cicero

It ought to be intresting keeping up with HIV exposure in the ranks.


19 posted on 02/02/2010 11:30:11 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: Red Steel

Title: In The Navy

Artist: Village People Lyrics

Where can you find pleasure
Search the world for treasure
Learn science technology
Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true
On the land or on the sea
Where can you learn to fly
Play in sports and skin dive
Study oceanography
Sign of for the big band
Or sit in the grandstand
When your team and others meet

In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can’t you see we need a hand
In the navy
Come on, protect the motherland
In the navy
Come on and join your fellow man
In the navy
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In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy)

They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

If you like adventure
Don’t you wait to enter
The recruiting office fast
Don’t you hesitate
There is no need to wait
They’re signing up new seamen fast
Maybe you are too young
To join up today
Bout don’t you worry ‘bout a thing
For I’m sure there will be
Always a good navy
Protecting the land and sea

In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can’t you see we need a hand
In the navy
Come on, protect the motherland
In the navy
Come on and join your fellow man
In the navy
Come on people, and make a stand
In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy)

They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

Who me?

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They want you as a new recruit

But, but but I’m afraid of water.
Hey, hey look
Man, I get seasick even watchin’ it on TV!

They want you, they want you in the navy

Oh my goodness.
What am I gonna do in a submarine?

They want you, they want you in the navy


20 posted on 02/02/2010 11:30:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Red Steel

21 posted on 02/02/2010 11:30:32 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: brownsfan

No Navy admiral (or Air Force general) should ever be made head of the JCS. That responsibility should be left to the Army or the Marines. Or barring that, to the Coast Guard.


22 posted on 02/02/2010 11:30:59 AM PST by Melchior
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To: Red Steel
If this happens I might just get out before retirement.
23 posted on 02/02/2010 11:32:01 AM PST by Hotmetal (Lead,follow,or get the Hell out of the way.554th REDHORSE)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Very funny, and oh so right. De Oppresso Liber.


24 posted on 02/02/2010 11:35:27 AM PST by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: notaliberal

No General, he’s an admiral.


25 posted on 02/02/2010 11:36:16 AM PST by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

“So the Navy wants homos......”

Please note that Mullen said he was speaking for himself not for the other service chiefs. The CNO hasn’t come out either way yet. Mullen is the CJCS not the CNO.


26 posted on 02/02/2010 11:39:46 AM PST by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: Red Badger

i have that song as a ring tone for my nephew who is currently serving in the navy aboard the enterprise. he finds it hilarious and his wife thinks it’s cool.


27 posted on 02/02/2010 11:41:15 AM PST by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

No, the fact that this is coming from a Naval Officer shouldn’t surprise anybody. Now once again, it’s time for the Marine Corps to step up and quash this. ALL we need to do is make sure this doesn’t get changed until the after the next congress is seated and it will not get done. Less than 12 months to go.


28 posted on 02/02/2010 11:43:09 AM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: madamemayhem

Why not “Anchors Aweigh”?....................


29 posted on 02/02/2010 11:43:27 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Melchior

“No Navy admiral (or Air Force general) should ever be made head of the JCS. That responsibility should be left to the Army or the Marines. Or barring that, to the Coast Guard.”

Except that the Marines are a Department of the Navy. There are whack jobs in all branches. Clearly this Admiral has no clue what it’s like to be a an enlisted on a combatant vessel. I do.


30 posted on 02/02/2010 11:43:59 AM PST by brownsfan (The average American: Uninformed, and unconcerned.)
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To: Snow Eagle

Please note that Mullen said he was speaking for himself not for the other service chiefs. The CNO hasn’t come out either way yet. Mullen is the CJCS not the CNO.

Got it. But he is an Admiral - correct? From the Navy - correct? But it is his opinion only? Got it.


31 posted on 02/02/2010 11:44:20 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: brownsfan

Except that the Marines are a Department of the Navy.

The Marines are older than the Navy, think in the spirit of Hope and Change that we can the Dept of Navy and replace it with the Dept of the Marine Corps.


32 posted on 02/02/2010 11:46:32 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: brownsfan
Except that the Marines are a Department of the Navy.

A bumper sticker for sale at a local gun show reads:
The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy. The men's department.

It amused me, but I didn't bring it home. My dad retired as a Commander in the Navy. My son served in the USMC.

33 posted on 02/02/2010 11:51:24 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Red Steel
"I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

Really? Did we bring the draft back? Do we still ask people at MEPS if they're homosexuals?

No? Then we aren't forcing anyone to do any such thing, Rear Admiral Mullen.

34 posted on 02/02/2010 11:52:06 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right, we're free, we'll fight and you'll see!)
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To: Red Steel
OK Admiral Mikey Mullen. IF we do away with the old fashioned ways then lets quit SEGREGATION in WOMENS’ quarters from MENS’ quarters Let the straights have the same perspective as the gays.I doubt women will enjoy being leered at in the showers as well as straight men will be by gays

And Face it, the Homo's will eventually pair up and have sex in the foxholes(or bunks in the navy)while the straight men will be denied such companionship.

How's that for creating Esprit De Corps

35 posted on 02/02/2010 11:58:03 AM PST by RedMonqey (You only think you are free.....)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

“The Marines are older than the Navy, think in the spirit of Hope and Change that we can the Dept of Navy and replace it with the Dept of the Marine Corps.”

You’re one of THOSE guys. Big chip on the shoulder and totally about all things Marines.

I respect most Marines, and enjoy trading jabs. But, there are the few, the nutty, the ones without a grip on reality.


36 posted on 02/02/2010 11:59:12 AM PST by brownsfan (The average American: Uninformed, and unconcerned.)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Mullens has to go!!!!!!!!!!! He is only looking at this as a political issue and McCain is right in this case. Or maybe there is a personal reason he is such an advocate.

Mullen's is wrong, NOBODY has to lie, you just do not talk about it. Only a really disgusting man sits around and discusses his sex life with his wife in any detail. As for the Navy wanting gays, brother, the Corps has more than it's share of homos, male and female. I can no more picture two male Chiefs dancing and kissing at the Khaki Ball than I can two male Marines dancing and kissing at the Marine Corps Ball.

The real problem which Mullen's will not see or will not talk about is the life style this will bring to the military. Will gays married in MA be considered legal dependents. What about gays from states with no gay marriage provisions. Will a gay member with a transsexual lover be allowed to marry in a Base Chapel? How will Fleet and Family Services or MCCS deal with those issue. Will gay members be allowed to dress as a woman after duty hours? Will none gays be FORCED to berth with gays or will they be allowed to object. Will that lead to segregation? What about open relationships on a ship? What about Chaplains whose church or faith are openly against the gay lifestyle? Will they be forced to ignore their faith or resign their commission? What about the number of suicides and spread of STDs prevalent in the gay life style? Now the only people that will not join are those whose faith tells them that the gay lifestyle is wrong and a sin. If they believe that they will not be allowed to join because they will no longer fit in Mullen's diverse Navy. Will gays become a protected class in the military like women where after tailhook? It took years to get back to the point where every sexual harassment compliant did not start with an assumption of guilt. I do not mean to be crude, but this is about more than where a man puts his tools after work and what a women prefers to eat on her own time. It is about back dooring (pun intended) legalized federal gay marriages, acceptance of a LIFESTYLE and social engineering in the military. Imagine gay pride week on military bases, banning of the boy scouts on bases, the absolute silencing of any opposition in the military ranks, with threats of UCMJ and discharge, for refusing to accept a LIFESTYLE condemned in the Bible. There is NO proof homosexuality is genetic like you know, being black or a female. The goal is to forcing everyone to accept this as normal.

So what is next, obese people, reformed criminals and former drug addicts, those are all lifestyle choice as well. I have served with Gays in the Navy and Corps. Before don't ask, don't tell and since. I did not report a senior Marine Officer that was gay in the 80's, I did not report numerous enlisted/officer gays over the last 10 years. "Don't ask, Don't tell" works far better. Although I do not approve of the life style, but I have the option to ignore it. 56% are against this nationwide. We need to mobilize and hand Obama and Mullen's a resounding defeat!

37 posted on 02/02/2010 12:00:40 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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38 posted on 02/02/2010 12:00:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Red Steel

There is more to this than just allowing gays in the military. They are opening the door for an activist agenda within the ranks. Benefits for a gay partner are next, such as:
Servicememember’s Group Life Insurance (SGLI)
Base Housing
Medical and Dental for gay dependent
Accompanied Tours with gay partner
Benefits normally associated with the military family will now be fought for by gay rights activist. Do not take this lightly.


39 posted on 02/02/2010 12:01:08 PM PST by Allah AtBar
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To: Red Steel
"Admiral" Mullen: Ally of homos, tormentor of Navy SEALs, blind and deaf to Jihad. Typifies the pathetic brass we would expect from Obama's vision of a weakened America. He makes me sick.

And Mike Mullen has never--ever--seen any combat. He is 63! How does a man like him get to such a position with no actual combat experience? Ass-kissing and politics. The very kind of brown-nosing prick that Patton despised.

40 posted on 02/02/2010 12:02:08 PM PST by montag813
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To: Red Steel

My uncle, a retired Navy captain, agrees that there is a place for homosexuals in the military.

“The front lines.”


41 posted on 02/02/2010 12:03:33 PM PST by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
So long as the armed forces can prevent from happening what happened in seminaries in the Catholic Church, then I don't have a particular problem with it. Better to open your mouth and confirm that you're gay, than to keep it shut and have everyone “think” you're gay. If it becomes a haven and a hierarchy of gays protecting the criminal acts of gays, then I'd say we have a problem.

When the seminaries became bath houses for priests who had absolutely no intention of conducting themselves with chastity or morally, then it became a mess. Straight priests were treated poorly and finally retreated to being single or taking a wife, instead of serving the Body of Christ through the Mass.

Let's see how this goes, but somehow I can't imagine the military would enforce moral and ethical guidelines more successfully if the ratio of gays to straights becomes unbalanced. I don't care HOW disciplined they think they are. A few bad apples placed in the wrong rank, or the wrong guy has a pass made and this could go amazingly awry. Whether you want to proudly state you're gay...whatever.

42 posted on 02/02/2010 12:04:16 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Got it. But he is an Admiral - correct? From the Navy - correct? But it is his opinion only? Got it.

He is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, dammit! How can you possibly minimize this?

Mullen is a sniveling worm. God help us all.

43 posted on 02/02/2010 12:04:32 PM PST by montag813
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To: ConservativeWarrior
That's exactly what will happen, if the wrong person has a pass made at him or her. That will cause the PC crowd to rain bullets around the heads of straights and, eventually, the ratio may become unbalanced, and the next thing you know, we will have a military in fuchsia with feather boas -- and that's just the guys. The women will go for black tuxedos.
44 posted on 02/02/2010 12:08:04 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
So the Navy wants homos - and this is a surprise? Semper Fi

Only if they are really good swimmers. Besides they have girls aboard now, why would they need poofters?

45 posted on 02/02/2010 12:08:13 PM PST by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Red Steel
It figures a Squid would say this, especially an 'Admiral'.

Now, since Admiral Mullen wants open Homos in the military -- and the Navy Included -- I assume he will also lift the BAN on women serving in SUBMARINES, right?

Huh? What's that Admiral? The quarters are too close on Subs and that's why women are and will stay banned from serving on them. Uh-huh, okay, I see. Subs have closer quarters than in a Foxhole. Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight.

This confirms my opinion that an Admiral should NEVER be chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Army or Marine Corps General and that's it (sorry Jet Jockeys).

(Where is General Peter Pace when we need him? That MAN had gonads of Titanium!)

46 posted on 02/02/2010 12:08:36 PM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Dont ask Don’t tell already accomplishes what you are suggesting. Unlike Catholic priest we are subject to the UCMJ which until now has criminialized such activity.


47 posted on 02/02/2010 12:15:33 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: notaliberal

maybe this idiot should share a room, shower, bathroom etc with a couple of them .

ah no he’s a general who doesn’t have to do that .

PC has proved it kills fellow servicemen and women and now they want open homos to serve, what’s next a homo pride parade on base or a homo party where they can all have their sexual sickness on display/


48 posted on 02/02/2010 12:15:59 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Condor51
Now, since Admiral Mullen wants open Homos in the military -- and the Navy Included -- I assume he will also lift the BAN on women serving in SUBMARINES, right?

September of last year:
Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/24/report-mullen-backs-women-serving-submarines/
49 posted on 02/02/2010 12:17:32 PM PST by EAHovind
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To: DesertRenegade

merry10 seems to disagree with you on that even though she has never served and I have.
I know of not one person who wants this and who has served or is serving.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2439713/posts


50 posted on 02/02/2010 12:17:54 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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