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Anger after pope condemns gay-friendly laws
http://www.france24.com ^ | 02 February 2010 | www.france24.com

Posted on 02/02/2010 11:28:51 AM PST by Maelstorm

Gay-rights campaigners and secularists called on Tuesday for protests during a visit to Britain by Pope Benedict XVI this year, after he condemned equality legislation seen as friendly to gays.

The 82-year-old pontiff, who made his comments in a letter to the bishops of England and Wales on Monday, is reportedly set to visit Britain in September, the first such trip in 28 years.

Human rights campaigner and gay activist Peter Tatchell said he saw the pope's letter as an attack on the legal rights granted to gay people and women.

"His ill-informed claim that our equality laws undermine religious freedom suggests that he supports the right of churches to discriminate in accordance with their religious ethos.

"He seems to be defending discrimination by religious institutions and demanding that they should be above the law."

In his comments on Monday the pope said that Britain "is well known for its firm commitment to equality of opportunity."

But he added "the effect of some of the legislation designed to achieve this goal has been to impose unjust limitations on the freedom of religious communities to act in accordance with their beliefs," he wrote.

"In some respects it actually violates the natural law upon which the equality of all human beings is grounded and by which it is guaranteed."

Observers said the pontiff was referring to legislation that took effect on January 1, 2009, preventing adoption agencies -- including Catholic ones -- from discriminating against gay couples.

The National Secular Society (NSS) reacted furiously to the pope's remarks.

Terry Sanderson, president of the National Secular Society, said: "The taxpayer in this country is going to be faced with a bill of some 20 million pounds for the visit of the pope.

"A visit in which he has already indicated he will attack equal rights and promote discrimination."

He said he would appeal to gay groups, feminist groups, family planning organisations, pro-choice groups, victim support groups and "anyone who feels under siege from the Vatican?s current militancy" to take part in the protests.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: deviance; gay; homosexualagenda; pope; sin; vatican
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The pope should be concerned. The Catholic churches and churches in general have had a problem of pedophiles and homosexuals being attracted to their ranks. Now we are going to require churches to hire them? We need an international push back on everything homosexual. This issue is no better than global warming the only difference is the lies have been let stew longer and have made more inroads.
1 posted on 02/02/2010 11:28:52 AM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

These gay activists fundamentally do not believe in religious freedom.


2 posted on 02/02/2010 11:33:02 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Maelstorm

The Pope is against homosexuality and queers everywhere are offended.


3 posted on 02/02/2010 11:34:28 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("0bama's not just stupid; He’s Jimmy Carter stupid”. - Don Imus)
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They can both keep their mouths shut as far as I'm concerned.

Self appointed mouthpieces for their own agenda, they should both either shut up, or put up.
4 posted on 02/02/2010 11:38:28 AM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: Maelstorm
"His ill-informed claim that our equality laws undermine religious freedom suggests that he supports the right of churches to discriminate in accordance with their religious ethos.

If they can't, then what the heck is religious "ethos" for in the first place?...............

5 posted on 02/02/2010 11:40:25 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Maelstorm

I thought this was scrappleface when I started reading this. Would anyone have thought 20 years ago that this anti-religious bigotry would be not only practiced but defended? What a damn post-modern time we live in. We need to bring back truth and meaning to society, so they realize what they are defending and attacking.


6 posted on 02/02/2010 11:40:34 AM PST by Jeb21 (www.jewsagainstobama.com)
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To: bethybabes69

“they should both either shut up, or put up.”

What do you mean? Put up-what?


7 posted on 02/02/2010 11:43:18 AM PST by homegroan (ILLIGITIMA NON CARBORUNDUM)
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To: bethybabes69

The Pope is right to condemn Labour’s attempt to force the Church to hire poofers.


8 posted on 02/02/2010 11:43:22 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: bethybabes69

You will now be the subject of many prayers, including mine, that God (and not any imagined one) will ‘trouble you’ such that you will come to realize that He is, that you will realize your need for Him as well as your need for salvation through His Son Jesus. Prayers up.

In a more secular slant, let me say that it is good you have the freedoms, BASED on Judeo-Christian values, to slander religion in general and Christianity in particular. May you not come to regret not supporting it if Sharia comes to town.


9 posted on 02/02/2010 11:45:15 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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Why is this a surprise. I think probably his criticiam of HARRY POTTER is more problematic, especially after John-Paul II said he liked HARRY POTTER.


10 posted on 02/02/2010 11:46:45 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: BigEdLB

criticiam = criticism


11 posted on 02/02/2010 11:47:21 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: homegroan
Well, if the Pope doesn't like the law, take their pagan priests back to VC.

If Tatchell wants to be a priest or get into Catholic-politics, He should quit bonking with other Men and start reading scripture, or something.


12 posted on 02/02/2010 11:49:42 AM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: Maelstorm

Okay all gays and queers - go ahead and start your own damn church.


13 posted on 02/02/2010 11:50:12 AM PST by lesko
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To: Maelstorm

What did they expect?


14 posted on 02/02/2010 11:51:27 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: RoadGumby

What’s Christian about Catholicism, have I missed something? I believe in God and Jesus as His Son, not in Mary the Queen of the Universe, reincarnated, many times.


15 posted on 02/02/2010 11:52:05 AM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: pissant

Yep, maybe.


16 posted on 02/02/2010 11:52:48 AM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: Graybeard58

Matthew 24 Tells Us About “the End”

Verse 10:
Many will be *Offended*
Will betray one another and will hate one another....

“Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold.

The WORD of GOD...


17 posted on 02/02/2010 11:56:25 AM PST by TaraP (*GOD* made love so strong, so it would carry you all the way home.....)
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To: Maelstorm

I can think of few things more foolish to a person’s eternal salvation that labeling the Pope “ill-informed.”

Then again, deviants like this shmuck pretty much have their future plans assured.


18 posted on 02/02/2010 11:56:46 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: bethybabes69

ok...but they are Catholic Priests, not pagan priets and the Pope IS the head of the global Catholic Church...


19 posted on 02/02/2010 11:58:30 AM PST by homegroan (ILLIGITIMA NON CARBORUNDUM!!)
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To: bethybabes69
I believe in God and Jesus as His Son, not in Mary the Queen of the Universe, reincarnated, many times.

Um, Catholics don't believe in the reincarnation of Mary. You are sadly misinformed.

21 posted on 02/02/2010 11:59:09 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: homegroan
the Pope IS the head of the global Catholic Church...

Um .... no.

Jesus is the head of the global Catholic Church. The Pope is His designated representative.

22 posted on 02/02/2010 12:00:00 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RoadGumby
Thankyou for your offer of a prayer, please, only pray to the one true God for me though, not some image of a Man who claims to represent our Fathers Christian values on Earth.

I will also pray for you this evening, that you may see the many, mystery pagan religions for exactly what they are.

..............."I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me"...........

23 posted on 02/02/2010 12:00:39 PM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; homegroan

Jesus is King. Pope Benedict is merely the current steward.


24 posted on 02/02/2010 12:01:08 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: bethybabes69
What’s Christian about Catholicism, have I missed something?

All of it, actually.

not in Mary the Queen of the Universe, reincarnated, many times

We don't believe in any kind of reincarnation, sorry. Guess that's one of the things you "missed".

25 posted on 02/02/2010 12:02:16 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: bethybabes69

Whether or not you agree that the Pope is ‘Gods Representative’ here on earth (I do not), his message is correct. Gay friendly laws are just plain WRONG. And if he chooses to spread views that are correct, then I will more than welcome his voice, not tell him to STFU.


26 posted on 02/02/2010 12:02:31 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes-I meant on the Earth.


27 posted on 02/02/2010 12:02:31 PM PST by homegroan (ILLIGITIMA NON CARBORUNDUM!!)
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To: Pyro7480

My last post, Christianity 101.


28 posted on 02/02/2010 12:03:49 PM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: homegroan

One must choose one’s words carefully, to ensure accuracy, particularly in discussion with those whose understanding of the matter at hand is already severely deficient.


29 posted on 02/02/2010 12:04:50 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RoadGumby
Well, He isn't, where is the Pope or Rome mentioned in Scripture, apart from it's seven hills?

I didn't say STFU, your words, not mine. I said "shut up", as in keep quiet, the profanity is yours my friend.
30 posted on 02/02/2010 12:06:16 PM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: bethybabes69

“What’s Christian about Catholicism, have I missed something?”

Do you think Catholics aren’t Christian?


31 posted on 02/02/2010 12:06:17 PM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

post #23, make your own decisions, yours is your soul my friend.


32 posted on 02/02/2010 12:07:33 PM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: bethybabes69

Um, St. Paul’s letter to the ROMANS??? Also, the Vatican, where the Pope resides, is on the other side of the Tiber river from the ancient part of Rome where the seven hills are.


33 posted on 02/02/2010 12:08:57 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: bethybabes69

Iconoclasm isn’t “Christian.” It’s Islamic.


34 posted on 02/02/2010 12:09:58 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: RoadGumby
And if he chooses to spread views that are correct, then I will more than welcome his voice

So if Osama Bin Laden says He will throw Gay men off a mountain, is He invited to speak 'carte blanche' about Religion in the USA?
35 posted on 02/02/2010 12:10:12 PM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: bethybabes69

You’re a Brit, right? Your Queen and your government invited the Pope for a state visit.


36 posted on 02/02/2010 12:12:41 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: bethybabes69
many, mystery pagan religions

Yeah ... they call themselves names like "Baptist Church", "Methodist Church", "Lutheran Church", "Presbyterian Church", "Church of England" ...

37 posted on 02/02/2010 12:12:48 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: bethybabes69

LOL, F could also be for ‘Frenchman’. But the sentiment was there for all to read. In any case, Anyone (even Obama) standing forth to oppose gay friendly laws should not be told to ‘shut up’. Good advice is good advice.


38 posted on 02/02/2010 12:13:19 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: bethybabes69

#23 didn’t mention Catholics just Pagans.

Do you think Catholics aren’t Christian?


39 posted on 02/02/2010 12:13:21 PM PST by bronxville
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"A visit in which he has already indicated he will attack equal rights and promote discrimination."

Some things should be "discriminated against".

Faggotry, for example ...

40 posted on 02/02/2010 12:14:58 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

lol


41 posted on 02/02/2010 12:15:30 PM PST by bronxville
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"A visit in which he has already indicated he will attack equal rights and promote discrimination."

Anyone as rabid as Terry Sanderson is going to go bonkers anytime the Pope does his job which is to point out the truth.

Equal rights for sadistic child sex abusers?

42 posted on 02/02/2010 12:18:10 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Pyro7480

Good pick-up - took your clue and saw the flag. I would say Scottish Presbyterian of the Ian Paisley ilk.


43 posted on 02/02/2010 12:18:25 PM PST by bronxville
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well, I am not a scholar or a lawyer, just a regular person and I am as accurate as I can be.


44 posted on 02/02/2010 12:24:47 PM PST by homegroan (ILLIGITIMA NON CARBORUNDUM!!)
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To: bethybabes69

Are gay friendly laws good or bad for society?


47 posted on 02/02/2010 12:29:47 PM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: homegroan
Well, I am not a scholar or a lawyer

Neither am I ...

But I have been burned a few times, and try to learn from my mistakes. I also try to learn from other folks' mistakes. So I'm just passing on something I've learnt the hard way. I hope you find it useful. ;'}

48 posted on 02/02/2010 12:31:04 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480
Yes, I'm British. Got no problem with the Pope coming, just when He starts bleating on about His opinion on British Law, and got no problem with Tatchell neither, He can live how He pleases, it's His choice for His soul.
My point is, I want none of their opinions to legislate against Me.
49 posted on 02/02/2010 12:33:23 PM PST by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: bronxville

Do you think Catholics aren’t Christian?

Catholics are just like protestants, some are Christian and some aren’t.


50 posted on 02/02/2010 12:33:42 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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