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Democrat Senator Carl Levin: "Repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
http://michiganmessenger.com ^ | Feb. 2, 2010 | By TODD SPANGLER

Posted on 02/02/2010 11:40:56 AM PST by Maelstorm

Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee, opened hearings on the military’s Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy by calling for the repeal of that policy and for gay and lesbian soldiers to be allowed to serve openly. The Lansing State Journal reports:

Opening a hearing on the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy on gays in the military, Michigan Democrat and Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin said it’s time to repeal what he considers a discriminatory policy that hurts military effectiveness.

“I did not find the arguments used to justify ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ convincing when it took effect in 1993, and they are less so now,” Levin said…

“Thousands of troops – 13,500 by one estimate – have been forced to leave the military under the current policy,” Levin said. “Certainly that number includes many who could help the military complete its difficult and dangerous missions.”

It looks as though repeal of this policy is inevitable. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, a Republican holdover, is firmly behind the change. And over the last 17 years, dozens of high ranking military officials have likewise come out in favor of allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: deviant; homolove; levin

This is an opportunity folks. Obama is making the same mistake Clinton did. This is not a winning issue. It makes the Democrats look even more liberal. The masks are off. Now the question is will the Republicans have the guts to use this issue or will they cower in front of the threat of the pink mafia?

1 posted on 02/02/2010 11:40:59 AM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

The DEMS hate the military. This proves it beyond any possible spin.............


2 posted on 02/02/2010 11:42:27 AM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Maelstorm
America: "Repeal DemocRAT Senator Carl Levin".
3 posted on 02/02/2010 11:42:31 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Maelstorm

isn’t this more of an official ‘policy’ than a law of any kind?

I sort of thought it was just giving a name to what they were doing anyway when dumbass clinton was stupid enough to make gays in military his first agenda item


4 posted on 02/02/2010 11:42:43 AM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: Mr. K

Gays CAN serve in the military. This is a non-issue being used to secure their base...because of what happened in MA.


5 posted on 02/02/2010 11:43:51 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: Maelstorm

Let’s repeal Carl Levin. Unfortunately, he doesn’t come up for reelection until 2014.


6 posted on 02/02/2010 11:45:43 AM PST by kabar
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To: Maelstorm

A year after the policy is changed, we will see this happen on every military base.

After a torrid romance, begun at the base all-ranks club, LT Bob will marry LT Bill in the base chapel.

Then they will move into base housing, and begin adopting their children, or hiring wombs to do the trick.

If Bob and Bill want to slow dance and make out in the clubs, that is their business.

Anybody who has a problem with any of the above will just have to grit their teeth and say nothing. Otherwise, they will be given 1.0 (failing) marks on the EEOC portion of their fitness reports. Or they will even be charged with “hate crimes.”

A vast number of our best troops won’t stay in the new gay-orama military, and our combat readiness will collapse.

This is the future folks, if we don’t stop this.


7 posted on 02/02/2010 11:46:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: kabar

Maybe he won’t live that long.


8 posted on 02/02/2010 11:49:33 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (You don't have to be ignorant to be a Democrat...but if you are...so what?)
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To: Travis McGee
If Bob and Bill want to slow dance and make out in the clubs,

There will be an accident. A rack of equipment will fall over in the hangar. The top step will be slippery. A mortar round will fall short.

Something.

9 posted on 02/02/2010 11:50:10 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Maelstorm
OK as a retired veteran here is my two cents on “don’t ask, don’t tell”. Men in combat units don’t fight for the unit or for an idea, they fight for each other. They train as a unit and are placed in stressful training situations with the express purpose of developing a bond. They form a bond which is based on love, trust and a commitment to each other and to the group. They never confuse this love for sexual attraction and the potential for another soldier to confuse this bond in a sexual manner inhibits the forming of this bond. When this bond does not form units are dysfunctional and become ineffective as a fighting unit. Social engineering experiments are best left to college campuses not combat units.
10 posted on 02/02/2010 11:52:13 AM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Maelstorm

Notice that in many cases, the legislature never repealed any laws against homosexuality, it was an agenda advanced through the courts.

Why not pass a law permitting same sex desire afflicted persons to serve openly in the military?


11 posted on 02/02/2010 11:52:36 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Don't fall for the Global Warming hysteria.)
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To: Maelstorm

They want to talk about sex in the middle of a firefight???


12 posted on 02/02/2010 11:53:49 AM PST by The Toll
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To: Travis McGee
One thing I'm sure of is the the initial influx of gays will be there for the opportunity to take a trip through toyland.

I doubt national security will even make their top ten list for reasons to join.

13 posted on 02/02/2010 11:54:12 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Travis McGee

a few years ago, my husband and I stayed at the Hale Koa hotel in Hawaii.
Sadly, there was a gay couple there, with their adopted baby. Blech.
I guess 1 of them was retired and out. Now we don’t have to wait for retirement.


14 posted on 02/02/2010 11:54:47 AM PST by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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To: Maelstorm

Dress em all in pink uniforms and make them point man on all missions, let em flush out the bad guys where real military personnel can then wipe them out.


15 posted on 02/02/2010 11:54:57 AM PST by sniper63 ("Ask not what your Country can do for you but what you can do for your Country,)
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To: Travis McGee

That’s the whole point -

the destruction of the effectiveness of the US Military, the center of evil for the demented liberal mind.


16 posted on 02/02/2010 11:55:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: a fool in paradise

This issue is being raised now to distract and divert. It helps to placate Obama’s base. I smell Plouffe’s influence. It will be one crisis after another.


17 posted on 02/02/2010 11:55:58 AM PST by kabar
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To: MrB

It’s Cloward-Piven Strategy, military branch.


18 posted on 02/02/2010 11:56:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: a fool in paradise
Why not pass a law permitting same sex desire afflicted persons to serve openly in the military?

What makes faggotry a privileged perversion ? Why not add pedophiles ? Or those who like sex with animals ? Think of the opportunities for those who favor dead bodies as sex "partners" ? Of course, the "transgendered" must be allowed, and given sex change operations at the military hospitals.

We need to change the "gays in the military" phrase to "perverts in the military". And force the 'Rats to champion the cause of ALL perversions. What logical reason do they have for NOT doing so ?

None !

19 posted on 02/02/2010 12:06:12 PM PST by jimt
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To: Ben Mugged

Great reply. Thank you for that and thank you for serving your country.


20 posted on 02/02/2010 12:09:27 PM PST by Scutter
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To: Maelstorm

From one angle it looks like Senator Levin has “come out” himself. However, that would be wrong. His interest is sexual sadism ~ which he undoubtedly enjoys to the degree possible. Otherwise, he’d realise a relaxation of the current policy will simply lead to more folks of the sort who sexually abused the prisoners at Abu Ghraib trying to enter the military.


21 posted on 02/02/2010 12:15:25 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Maelstorm

What in blazes does Carl Levin know about anything...let alone this issue?

Putz.


22 posted on 02/02/2010 12:15:40 PM PST by RexBeach ("Those are my principles...if you don't like them, I have others." Groucho Marx)
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To: Maelstorm
I guess the US Army can cow have a Queens Regiment (like the Brits, with a new meaning).


23 posted on 02/02/2010 12:16:22 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: Maelstorm

After putting a goodly portion of their voters in the PO’d column after stimulus, cap & trade and ObamaCare, they are trying to reel back in their fragmented, bought-and-paid-for, fragmented hodge-podge of a compilation of a base.


24 posted on 02/02/2010 12:22:01 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: kabar

When is Debbie up. And she is not Little Debbie any more.


25 posted on 02/02/2010 12:29:56 PM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Maelstorm

Ahhh, I can hear it now . . . the embellished history of the mighty Fighting 69th - Charge of the Fudge Packer Brigade. A unit of Fighting Fairies in the Airborne ranks. . . .

Imagine what kind of coverage they will get in the selected revisionist history books compiled for our unsuspecting children in public schools. . . . disgusting . . . once again, Rats putting our national security at risk for political purposes.


26 posted on 02/02/2010 12:32:24 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: RexBeach

Well, fur shur, it’s a problem he toys with.


27 posted on 02/02/2010 12:36:00 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: kabar

With any luck the idiot will croak before then.


28 posted on 02/02/2010 12:39:12 PM PST by Mich Patriot
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To: kabar

I personally don’t know why they think it will help. It just further solidifies their opposition. Gay activism isn’t a winning issue.


29 posted on 02/02/2010 12:42:49 PM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: Maelstorm
I really don't think Americans are concerned about Don't Ask, Don't Tell right now. They are interested in the economy and national security.

Obama is taking the easy road by addressing the gay agenda. It doesn't require him to balance a budget!!!!

30 posted on 02/02/2010 12:50:49 PM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (Hey General, I would be honored to have you call me "ma'am" !)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT

He is making a mistake. His focus on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is just another indicator that he doesn’t get it.


31 posted on 02/02/2010 12:54:48 PM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: Maelstorm

Obma driving another nail in the coffin of the US.

Look at the stupid things this man has done. No one can be that stupid. It is a conspiracy by a Muslim traitor to destroy America, and the Democrat party is in it with him.


32 posted on 02/02/2010 12:57:35 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Servant of the Cross

Senator Carl Levin, scumbag, MI


33 posted on 02/02/2010 1:03:59 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Ben Mugged

Hear, Hear! From an airborne infantry veteran. 1/325, 82nd ABN DIV, 1982-1986.


34 posted on 02/02/2010 1:11:13 PM PST by gatorhead
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To: Maelstorm

I say repeal it too. Back to what it was. The military should not be some kind of BS social expirament.


35 posted on 02/02/2010 1:44:14 PM PST by vpintheak (How can love of God, Family and Country make me an extremist?)
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To: Ben Mugged

This may be the best arguement I have heard. VERY well stated.

Question: Does anyone know of any studies that would support the theory that gays in the military would increase casualties?


36 posted on 02/02/2010 3:18:25 PM PST by Steve Newton (Pappy)
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To: Maelstorm

What would Levin know about homosexuals in the military? To the best of my knowledge, he has not served one day in uniform.


37 posted on 02/02/2010 6:00:26 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Travis McGee

“It’s Cloward-Piven Strategy, military branch.”

Exactly.


38 posted on 02/02/2010 6:27:35 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Ben Mugged

That is the precise reason homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in any branch of the military!

Furthermore, women should not be allowed to serve in ships or combat units for the same reasons.

You can take this to the bank (or the Court Martial): Sex in the ranks (Officer or Enlisted - makes no difference), be it hetero or homo, has a serious negative effect on morale and unit cohesiveness.

You are precisely correct: Social engineering has no place in the military.

The military exists to kill people and break things in pursuit of National Defense objectives. Degrading that primary purpose with social engineering stunts puts our military and our country at grave risk, and should not be allowed.


39 posted on 02/02/2010 6:46:04 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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