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McCain appears to shift stance on 'don't ask, don't tell' policy (McCain flip flop alert!)
The Washington Post ^ | 2010-02-02 | Michael D. Shear

Posted on 02/02/2010 2:35:51 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Three years ago, Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) was pretty clear about his stand on the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

A former war hero, McCain said he would support ending the ban once the military's top brass told him they were okay with it.

"The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it because those leaders in the military are the ones we give the responsibility to," McCain told an audience of college students during the "Hardball" college tour on MSNBC.

That day arrived Tuesday, with Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen testifying to senators following President Obama's announcement that he would seek a congressional repeal of the controversial 15-year-old policy.

Mullen called repealing the policy, which bans openly gay men and lesbians from serving, "the right thing to do" and said he was personally troubled by effectively forcing service members to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

Gates told the Armed Services Committee, "I fully support the president's decision.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; az2010; bho44; dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; mcbama; mccain; mccaintruthfile; mcdemocrat; mcinsane; mclame; mcpain; mcqueeg; mcrino; military; rino

1 posted on 02/02/2010 2:35:51 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain running in the right direction...it must be an election year.


2 posted on 02/02/2010 2:37:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The JD Hayworth effect.


3 posted on 02/02/2010 2:38:38 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: God'sgrrl; MoochPooch; Perdogg; Professional Engineer; PJ-Comix; lmarie373; Abundy; missanne; ...

4 posted on 02/02/2010 2:40:11 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

Is he shifting to a wide stance?


5 posted on 02/02/2010 2:41:46 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: rabscuttle385

The chameleon conservative. All things to all people.


6 posted on 02/02/2010 2:41:48 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: rabscuttle385

He needs to start planning his retirement.

It’s coming soon.


7 posted on 02/02/2010 2:43:05 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: rabscuttle385

Sheesh............


8 posted on 02/02/2010 2:43:22 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Red Steel

Lesseeee...which way is the wind blowin’?


9 posted on 02/02/2010 2:43:55 PM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: Red Steel
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said today that repealing Don't Ask Don't tell is the right thing to do. link
10 posted on 02/02/2010 2:46:45 PM PST by Dementio
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To: rabscuttle385
Mullen called repealing the policy, which bans openly gay men and lesbians from serving, "the right thing to do" and said he was personally troubled by effectively forcing service members to "lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens."

So admiral can you do away with the UCMJ articles about rape and carnal knowledge and sodomy as well? Those are bothersome articles that people have to lie about as well.

11 posted on 02/02/2010 2:47:21 PM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: rabscuttle385
That won't sit well with military officer Lindsey Graham.


12 posted on 02/02/2010 2:47:51 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: Ben Mugged; rabscuttle385; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3

A man who tries to be all things to all people is ultimately nothing to anyone...

basically...


13 posted on 02/02/2010 2:48:49 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Shameful. This senile old fool is determined to embarrass himself with his desperation to cling to his Senate seat


14 posted on 02/02/2010 2:50:35 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: rabscuttle385

Time to run McCain out of town ! He is out of touch.


15 posted on 02/02/2010 2:52:42 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: rabscuttle385
For those of you that read no more than the headline:

"At this moment of immense hardship for our armed services, we should not be seeking to overturn the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy," McCain said bluntly, before describing it as "imperfect but effective."

16 posted on 02/02/2010 2:55:51 PM PST by TankerKC (No government employees were harmed in the slashing of this budget.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This bothers me greatly, the US Military first and foremost must have impeccable Morality, when that is cast under the bus what is left?

The Military then becomes just another .Gov agency whose mission is to kill people and break things, there is no higher calling.


17 posted on 02/02/2010 2:59:15 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: rabscuttle385

He’s not flip flopping. He’s re-adjusting his opinion according to what the MSM thinks.


18 posted on 02/02/2010 3:02:47 PM PST by dr_who
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To: rabscuttle385; All

The McCain hatred on FR is pathological.

McCain is moving in the direction most Freepers prefer (keeping DADT) and they still bash him? McCain is not enemy #1, he’s not even enemy #100. Besides Obama, look at the Democrats in Congress.

How many people think Obama won primarily because McCain ran a poor campaign? I think it’s because people were sick of Republicans in general, starting with Bush, and for good reason (although the Democrats are still worse).


19 posted on 02/02/2010 3:03:07 PM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

If you think McCain derangement syndrome is bad around here, it is nothing to compare with Romney derangement syndrome. Mitt is just another garden variety RINO who doesn’t p*Ss on conservatives quite as enthusiastically as does McCain.


20 posted on 02/02/2010 3:12:21 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: reaganaut1

Read it AGAIN! He IS for gays in military now that Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff says “Have at it you rump riders”!


21 posted on 02/02/2010 3:15:46 PM PST by outhousepatrol
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To: dr_who

Any new polls on how JD is doing and if he has a chance to send this RINO packing?


22 posted on 02/02/2010 3:18:14 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: outhousepatrol

No...you need to read it again.


23 posted on 02/02/2010 3:19:28 PM PST by TankerKC (No government employees were harmed in the slashing of this budget.)
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To: outhousepatrol

From the linked (ie “whole”) article:

“Buchanan noted that McCain had submitted for the record a list of thousands of former military officers who oppose lifting the ban on openly gay people serving in the military. She said McCain will wait until the special panel Gates and Mullen announced before considering whether to support a repeal of the ban.”


24 posted on 02/02/2010 3:22:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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25 posted on 02/02/2010 3:23:45 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: reaganaut1
McCain is moving in the direction most Freepers prefer

For now, maybe.

But, mark my words, if he is re-elected, he will return to stabbing conservatives in the back.

26 posted on 02/02/2010 3:27:14 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385
"The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,'

And even though Juan is running away from that, I'd disagree with it, now or before. That might make sense if it were limited to the leadership below the top leadership which is so politicized and generally PC, as General Casey so ably demonstrated after Fort Hood.

I'd want to know what the officers below the top brass think, and what the senior enlisted personnel think. Forget the Joint Chiefs and other top brass. Most of those will tell a president what he wants to hear on all too many subjects.

27 posted on 02/02/2010 3:33:12 PM PST by Will88
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To: Red Steel

And here’s what he said just days ago...

It’s open homosexuality that the military prohibits. Ike Skelton, the leading House Democrat on military policy, opposes repealing the policy. So does John McCain, who responded to the president’s decision by defending DADT. He said, “This successful policy has been in effect for over 15 years, and it is well understood and predominantly supported by our military at all levels.”

So yes another flip flop, I will donate to Hayworth.


28 posted on 02/02/2010 3:34:12 PM PST by Freddd
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To: Freddd

Furthermore, Mullen said ‘he was speaking for himself, and only for himself.

Not as military...

But that isn’t the headlines, eh?


29 posted on 02/02/2010 3:35:07 PM PST by Freddd
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To: little jeremiah

every elected official should have the sense to stop this.

the radical left led by bozo the clown and his wife along with the homosexuals hate the military.

why?

because the military stands for traditions and morals, that is everything the far left and the homosexuals hate.

Over turning this brings nothing to the military but it does bring a lot of problems


30 posted on 02/02/2010 5:15:33 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: reaganaut1; TankerKC; rabscuttle385
The McCain hatred on FR is pathological.

I don't get you people. Three years ago deferred to the generals' and admirals' because he figured there was no way they would ever support the gay rights culture's abuse of the military. At the moment, gays are permitted in the military, they just aren't allowed to make an issue of their sexual preferrence. Then President Obama came along and obviously vetted Mullen on this topic before he appointed him or kept him. Same thing with Gates. McCain is revising his official position because circumstances have changed.

31 posted on 02/02/2010 5:17:19 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: little jeremiah

does this not need congress to pass?

we need to put candidates in every seat, seats where we hardly stand a chance too .

This country is breaking into a tin pot country and we need to stop this ASAP


32 posted on 02/02/2010 5:17:20 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee; scripter

The morale, social, military health, marriage/civil union issues and costs, moral/ethical, and the walking blood supply concerns of approving of homosexuality in the military make this a far too costly decision for this nation.


33 posted on 02/02/2010 5:38:45 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Absolutely. It cannot happen.


34 posted on 02/02/2010 5:55:57 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: rabscuttle385

Once again the higher ups approve of immoral behavior. For what you permit you condone. Another crack in the foundation.


35 posted on 02/02/2010 5:56:42 PM PST by 1hedLyte
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To: little jeremiah; P-Marlowe

The US Constitution says Congress is in charge of regulating the military and not the executive. Any changes must go thru them first.

House members in anti-gay marriage states should outnumber all others.


36 posted on 02/02/2010 6:17:54 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: rabscuttle385

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37 posted on 02/02/2010 6:58:55 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: presidio9
I don't get you people.

?? I think McCain is right this time.

38 posted on 02/02/2010 7:57:49 PM PST by TankerKC (No government employees were harmed in the slashing of this budget.)
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To: Disambiguator

Joining his wife and daughter, apparently.

Go JD!!


39 posted on 02/02/2010 8:13:41 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: rabscuttle385

The explanation is very easy to understand. He is trying to be reelected. Every RINO becomes more conservative near reelection. As soon as he is reelected, he will be buddy buddy with the social agenda of all moderates and liberals.


40 posted on 02/02/2010 8:16:30 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: xzins

Sessions said exactly that. And he was very firmly against changing it. As he said, even if they did, they cannot change military codes of conduct, which are going nowhere.


41 posted on 02/02/2010 8:21:57 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I find it pretty disgusting that McCain was at one time in the pocket of homosexual activist groups. He is a RHINO to the core and this is another reason to support J.D. Hayworth.


42 posted on 02/02/2010 8:29:14 PM PST by DesertRenegade
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To: rabscuttle385

I think the key issue with overturning DADT is if they were also overturning the ban on gays in the military.

Before DADT the services were allowed to investigate suspected sodomites and remove them if they were proven to be such.

This is the way it should be . No faggot should be serving in the military under any conditions.

If they want to repeal DADT and allow openly homosexual people to serve then it should be fought tooth and nail. If they want to repeal DADT and cleanse the military of the gay plague then it should be embraced.

The problem is that no one has said what will replace DADT (or if they did I missed it). With the gay kenyan in the whitehouse though, I’d expect he’s going to bat for his butt buddies.


43 posted on 02/03/2010 6:17:58 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

Forgot to add. McCain should be dumped anyway. He is a traitor to the Constitution as amply demonstrated by McCain-Feingold.


44 posted on 02/03/2010 6:19:11 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: outhousepatrol

Obviously, you did not watch the hearings or you are spending too much time in the outhouse. lol


45 posted on 02/03/2010 6:24:44 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: TankerKC

Sorry, I meant “the REST of you people.”


46 posted on 02/03/2010 8:47:40 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: verity

Guilty of both! outhousepatrol.com


47 posted on 02/03/2010 8:51:10 AM PST by outhousepatrol
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To: rabscuttle385

At least half of Obama’s czars, and others are homosexuals. Obama must be one too, or at the very least a pervert.


48 posted on 02/03/2010 2:29:25 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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