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Last member of 65,000-year-old tribe dies, taking one of world's earliest languages to the grave
Mail Online ^ | 5 Feb 2010 | Anny Shaw

Posted on 02/06/2010 4:06:39 AM PST by SkyPilot

The last member of a 65,000-year-old tribe has died, taking one of the world's earliest languages to the grave.

Boa Sr, who died last week aged about 85, was the last native of the Andaman Islands who was fluent in Bo. Named after the tribe, Bo is one of the 10 Great Andamanese languages, which are thought to date back to the pre-Neolithic period when the earliest humans walked out of Africa.

Boa Sr, who died last week aged about 85, was the last native of the Andaman Islands who was fluent in Bo

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1248754/Last-member-65-000-year-old-tribe-dies-taking-worlds-earliest-languages-grave.html#ixzz0ekwV08rT

Boa was the oldest member of the Great Andamanese, a group of tribes that are the the first descendants of early humans who migrated from Africa about 70,000 years ago and who arrived on the islands around 65,000. Other groups went on to colonise Indonesia and Australia.

She lived through the horrors and hardships of the 2004 Asian tsunami, the Japanese occupation and diseases brought by colonisers in the 19th century.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: andamanese; andamans; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; language; tribe

Boa lived in a concrete and tin hut provided by the government and survived on state food rations and a pension of about 500 rupees (£6.80) a month. 'She always said she wanted to go back to the place where she was born,' Professor Abbi said. 'Alcohol was a big problem. It was killing them one by one.' The Bo are believed to have lived on the islands for as long as 65,000 years, making them one of the oldest surviving human cultures.

Interesting article. If you believe these people migrated 65,000 years ago as the article says, it raises some questions as to how the tribe survived even that long. Like most primitive peoples, they were plagued with tribal warfare, almost no medical care, and a hand-to-mouth existence.

If you believe in Noah's flood, they dispersed around 2,300 BC from the mountains near Ararat and then migrated from there into Africa and Austrailia (Aborigines).

The language is not anything I would describe as beautiful. It is a grating language that sounds like someone chanting in a childish sing-song manner as opposed to someone actually conversing.

The last of the Bo-tribe, 85 year old Boa Sr has died. The Bo language died with her.

1 posted on 02/06/2010 4:06:39 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Godspeed to Boa...always something particularly sad when a person who dies takes a whole culture with her.

But yeah, as far as the article goes, I am not aware of ANY way to prove or even suppose with reasonable certitude that a particular culture is the direct descendant of an archaeological site that old, and not some more recent replacement. Heck, archaeologists are loathe to make those kind of connections with North American sites of the 1400s and 1500s. But 63000 BC? I’m sure there’s a trail of assumptions here that may or may not be good ones.


2 posted on 02/06/2010 4:17:44 AM PST by Claud
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To: SkyPilot

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
—Gen. 11


3 posted on 02/06/2010 4:21:31 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: ASA Vet

Poor guy. He could only talk to himself. He must have been lonely. I wonder if he thought in Bo?


4 posted on 02/06/2010 4:23:30 AM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: ASA Vet
You bet.

I have read some things on geneology as related to Noah's family. It would seem she would have been a descendent of Ham.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_(son_of_Noah)

Ham's children include: Cush[7] - also Chus, Kush, Kosh (Nubians, Ethiopians, Somalis, Eritreans, and other related groups). Mizraim "double lands" (sons were Lud, Anom, Pathros, Chasloth and Chaphtor)[8] - also Misraim, Mitzraim, Mizraite, Mitsrayim (Egyptians, Khemets, Philistines, and other related groups). Phut "a bow" (sons were Gebul, Hadan, Benah and Adan)[9] - also Putaya, Putiya, Punt, Puta, Put, Libia, Libya (Libyans, Cyrenacians, Tunisians, Tuaregs,Berbers,The extinct Guanches of the Canary Islands, North Africans, and other related groups). Canaan "down low" (sons were Zidon, Heth, Amori, Gergashi, Hivi, Arkee, Seni, Arodi, Zimodi and Chamothi)[10] - also Canaanites, Cana, Chna, Chanani, Chanana, Canaana, Kana, Kenaanah, Kena'ani, Kena'an, Kn'nw, Kyn'nw, Kinnahu, Kinahhi, Kinahni, Kinahna, Kinahne (Canaanites.


5 posted on 02/06/2010 4:30:08 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Andaman and Nicobar are the islands where the native tribals shoot arrows at Indian Navy helicopters which bring in food and water for them.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4144405.stm

Tribe shoots arrows at aid flight

By Jonathan Charles

BBC News, Andaman Islands

An Indian helicopter dropping food and water over the remote Andaman and Nicobar Islands has been attacked by tribesmen using bows and arrows.

There were fears that the endangered tribal groups had been wiped out when massive waves struck their islands.

But the authorities say the attack is a sign that they have survived.

More than 6,000 people there are confirmed as either dead or missing, but thousands of others are still unaccounted for.

The Indian coastguard helicopter was flying low over Sentinel Island to drop aid when it came under attack.

A senior police officer said the crew were not hurt and the authorities are taking it as a sign that the tribes have not been wiped out by the earthquake and sea surges as many had feared.

The Andaman and Nicobar archipelago is home to several tribes, some extremely isolated.

Officials believe they survived the devastation by using age-old early warning systems.

They might have run to high ground for safety after noticing changes in the behaviour of birds and marine wildlife.

Scientists are examining the possibility to see whether it can be used to predict earth tremors in future.

“Uncontacted” and Isolated Tribes

http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/places/gallery/tribe-gallery_sentinelese-man.html

National Geographic

Native culture experts worried that the devastating Indian Ocean tsunami on December 26, 2004, may have wiped out many or all of the indigenous peoples of India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands. This image of a belligerent Sentinel Island man taken on December 28, as well other photos shot by the Indian Coast Guard, reassured them that at least Sentinelese tribespeople survived.

The Sentinelese are among the world's most isolated people. They are thought to have descended directly from the first voyagers out of Africa. Experts think they have lived in the Andaman archipelago with little outside contact for some 60,000 year.


6 posted on 02/06/2010 4:33:03 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: SkyPilot

Huh??? Japheth has always been associated with the Indo-Europeans like the Greeks.


7 posted on 02/06/2010 4:33:20 AM PST by Claud
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To: Claud

I didn’t make that map, just posted it. If there is another interpretation (and I am sure there are) please post that one for me. Thanks.


8 posted on 02/06/2010 4:36:11 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“Land of Eber”?

The language Hebrew, along with its cousin, Arabic, is an entire family away from the European and Indian languages. In fact, the latter two form a single entity, called the Indo-European language family. At the very least, the map is wrongly colour-coded.

Hebrew and Arabic are part of the Afro-Semitic language family.


9 posted on 02/06/2010 4:36:44 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: Claud
You know what's interesting though - some interpretations (that Wiki link even talks about it), say that Ham may have done more than just seen Noah's nakedness. Noah definitely (definitely) curses Ham's offspring.

Some biblical scholars say Ham sodomized or even castrated Noah while he lay drunk in his tent.

Also, the debate over the "curse of Ham" has been going on for hundreds of years. To some, it is pure fiction. Some people in the 17th century used it to justify the slave trade. Still, others believe it may be a reason that (to this very day) some nations are totally dysfunctional.

10 posted on 02/06/2010 4:40:27 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Irrespective of all that, the lead-in continues with the myth that human beings “walked out of Africa”. Current belief is they set sail and traveled the coasts ~


11 posted on 02/06/2010 4:41:31 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Claud

Ever notice how all archeological evidence jumps from about 5600 years old to 10s of thousands to gazillion years old, but no evidence in between. Go figure.


12 posted on 02/06/2010 4:46:10 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: SkyPilot

If he was the last one to speak it, how did they really know he was fluent in the language, and not just pulling their legs all these years?


13 posted on 02/06/2010 4:54:34 AM PST by Miles the Slasher
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To: James C. Bennett

“I have a solution to the annual calamity facing those Saharan nomadic tribesmen, always suffering from drought and destruction of their crops. If they don’t want to die from starvation, drought, famine, and destruction of their crops, then as the band of wandering nomads from which their culture has been derived, they perhaps ...MOVE OUT OF THE STINKING DESERT!!!”....Sam Kinison


14 posted on 02/06/2010 4:56:36 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: muawiyah

Walking out of Africa is easy as shown by the pre-breakup Pangaea map of post 5.


15 posted on 02/06/2010 4:59:17 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: SkyPilot

No liberals were around to put them on the endangered species list?!

Oh, I forgot, liberals care more about animals than humans.


16 posted on 02/06/2010 4:59:28 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: SkyPilot

Oh, didn’t know that, my apologies. The Wikipedia article has some good info on Japheth. Note the quotes from Josephus and see who the sons of Japheth were supposed to give rise to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japheth

And some correlation has been made between Japheth and a very old Indo-European name for a deity: Greek Iapetos, Indian Pra-Iapati, and Roman Jupiter. It may be a false correlation, but it is interesting.

I’m not sure what the author of that map is getting at....particularly since he seems to be giving the continents a Pangaea configuration.


17 posted on 02/06/2010 5:02:21 AM PST by Claud
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG worthy?


18 posted on 02/06/2010 5:03:49 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: Cvengr

There is certainly archaeological evidence older than 5600 years. We can go back reliably to about 10-12,000 years in North America. Assuming we got the dating right anyway! :)

I take a wait and see attitude. I’m a believer in Biblical inerrancy but I don’t see any major problems with archaeological dating either. So I figure there’s a few pieces of the puzzle we’re missing in our interpretation of either scientific data or Scripture.


19 posted on 02/06/2010 5:08:16 AM PST by Claud
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To: Cvengr

Some info:

Copyright © 2003 by The American Society of Human Genetics. All rights reserved.

South Asia, the Andamanese, and the Genetic Evidence for an “Early” Human Dispersal out of Africa

Richard Cordaux and Mark Stoneking

Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Leipzig.

“The out-of-Africa model of anatomically modern human evolution posits an African origin 100,000–200,000 years ago, followed by subsequent dispersal(s) to Eurasia and other continents within the last 100,000 years (Stringer and Andrews 1988). Although alternative models have been proposed, the out-of-Africa scenario receives the most support both from archeological and genetic evidence (Lahr and Foley 1994). However, the route(s) followed by the African migrants remain poorly understood. One proposed route was through northern Africa toward the Levant, which finds support in the archeological and fossil records (Lahr and Foley 1994). This exit of modern humans out of Africa would have taken place during the Upper Paleolithic era (~45,000 years ago), which considerably postdates the earliest evidence of modern human presence in the Sahul. Indeed, luminescence dating, paleovegetation changes, and skeletal remains suggest that Australia was inhabited by modern humans by 60,000 years ago (Roberts and Jones 1994; Johnson et al. 1999; Miller et al. 1999; Thorne et al. 1999), implying a substantially earlier migration from Africa to Australia. To take this evidence into account, as well as morphological and archeological features of many Australian fossils, a second migration of modern humans, known as the “southern route” hypothesis, was suggested to have occurred during Middle Paleolithic times (60,000–100,000 years ago) from eastern Africa to Sahul via South Asia (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994; Lahr and Foley 1994).

In the January 2003 issue of the Journal, Endicott et al. (2003) investigated the genetic affinities of 11 Andaman islanders, a group of people in the Indian Ocean with phenotypic similarities to some African populations (i.e., “Negrito” features) and reputed to be possible descendants of early migrants out of Africa to Sahul, following the southern route. The authors claim that the results of their investigation “support the growing evidence of an early movement of humans through southern Asia.” In our opinion, Endicott and colleagues’ results do not support any relationship between the present Andamanese population and the hypothesized early southern migration. The authors identified three different mtDNA haplotypes in 11 Andaman islanders, two belonging to haplogroup M2 and one belonging to M4. These haplogroups had previously been reported only in the Indian subcontinent (Kivisild et al. 1999b; Bamshad et al. 2001). The Andaman M4 haplotype has been found previously in mainland India (Kivisild et al. 1999b), whereas the two Andaman M2 haplotypes are (so far) unique to the Andamanese. Given that (1) the latter two types occupy a basal position in the M2 network, which has an estimated coalescence time of 63,000±6,000 years (Kivisild et al. 1999b), and (2) they are not found in mainland India, Endicott et al. (2003) conclude they represent an “early” settlement of the Andaman Islands. These two points need discussion.

Regarding point 1, the age of a haplogroup cannot be automatically equated to the age of subsets of this haplogroup. The founding type of haplogroup M2, characterized by 16223T and 16319A relative to the Cambridge reference sequence (CRS) (Anderson et al. 1981) (fig. 1), is dated to 63,000 years but is still present in mainland India. This does not mean that any cluster branching off of this node is 63,000 years old, but rather that it is, at most, 63,000 years old. In principle, the Andaman M2 cluster could be dated to any time between 63,000 years and today.

Figure 1

Median joining network (after Endicott et al. 2003) of mtDNA haplogroup M2. Substitution positions relative to the CRS are shown. The number of assigned individuals from sampling to date is indicated in the relevant nodes.

Regarding point 2, we do not question the fact that the Andaman M2 haplotypes have not been found in mainland India. However, related sequences are found in mainland India, one of which is cited by Endicott et al. (2003) as a candidate ancestral haplotype of the Andaman M2 sequences, since it differs by only one substitution at 16274 from one Andaman M2 haplotype. From figure 2 of Endicott et al. (2003), we identify in mainland India another candidate ancestral haplotype for the Andaman M2 types, namely, the founder type of the entire M2 haplogroup (characterized by 16223T, 16319A). This haplotype differs from one Andaman haplotype by a single substitution (at 16357) and has already been reported in mainland India (Kivisild et al. 1999b). Therefore, although identical haplotypes are not found elsewhere, the Andaman M2 haplotypes have closely related counterparts in present-day mainland India.

The extent of isolation experienced by Andaman islanders (and, thus, an approximate upper time limit for the colonization of the archipelago) can be estimated by dating the time needed to accumulate the observed variation of the Andaman-specific mtDNA lineages. In this respect, we analyzed 42 unambiguously determined mtDNA sequences from Onge, Jarawa, and Great Andamanese individuals (Thangaraj et al. 2003) and six sequences from Aka-Bea individuals (Endicott et al. 2003) belonging to haplogroup M2 (on the basis of the motif 16223T/16319A). Altogether, the 48 Andaman M2 sequences defined five haplotypes unified by 16357C (fig. 1). First, we investigated the pattern of demographic history for the data set of 48 Andaman M2 sequences, by calculating Fu’s Fs (Fu 1997) and Tajima’s D (Tajima 1989) (P values are based on 1,000 simulated samples), as well as Harpending’s r (Harpending et al. 1993), as implemented in ARLEQUIN 2.0. Both Fu’s Fs and Tajima’s D were not significantly different from zero (Fs=-0.66, P=.35; D=-0.19, P=.50), suggesting no demographic expansion of the Andamanese population. In addition, Harpending’s r value was 0.146, consistent with a scenario of constant population size.

Assuming a constant population size, the Kimura two-parameter model of substitution (as implemented in MEGA 2.1) and a mutation rate of 1.65×10-7 per site per year (corresponding to 33% divergence per million years [Ward et al. 1991]), divergence times of the Andaman M2 haplotypes relative to two different founders were estimated. When the most ancestral Andaman-specific M2 type (bearing the motif 16223T, 16319A, 16357C) (fig. 1) was used as a founder, the average time needed to accumulate the observed variation in Andaman Islands was 25,300 years. When the Indian candidate as ancestral type of the Andaman M2 sequences (bearing the motif 16223T, 16319A) (fig. 1) was used as a founder, the average time back to the Indian common ancestor was 42,300 years. These results indicate that Andaman islanders may have remained isolated from mainland India for 25,000–42,000 years. However, this time is almost certainly overestimated. The average substitution rate of the five substitutions found in the Andaman M2 cluster (16213, 16234, 16311, 16344, 16357) (fig. 1) is ~2.5 times that of the control region as a whole (Meyer et al. 1999); thus, the real time to accumulate the observed variation may be up to 2.5-fold less, or 10,100–16,900 years. Moreover, the time estimates are based on the assumption that all the Andaman M2 types are derived from a single founding lineage; more recent times would result if there was more than one founding lineage. In summary, the presence of the unique M2 lineages in the Andaman Islands (as well as the Andaman M4 lineage that is identical to present-day Indian M4 lineages) suggests a colonization event from the Indian subcontinent occurring during the Upper Paleolithic (or perhaps even more recently), at most 40,000 years ago, which is still at least 20,000 years after the early southern-route migration to Sahul.

Thangaraj et al. (2003) also presented Y-chromosome evidence for Andaman islanders. They suggested that haplogroup D, an Asian-specific YAP lineage bearing the derived state at M174 (Underhill et al. 2000), is an original paternal lineage of Andaman islanders. To estimate the age of M174, we calculated that the average number of mutations from M174 to contemporary haplotypes was 4.89, on the basis of the data in Underhill et al. (2000). Underhill et al. (2000) estimated that the average time for a new mutation was 5,600–6,900 years, which puts the age of M174 at 27,000–34,000 years. Since the age of M174 is an upper estimate for the time when this Y haplogroup reached the Andaman Islands, the Y-chromosome evidence suggests an upper figure of ~30,000 years for the colonization of Andaman Islands, in good agreement with the mtDNA evidence. Hence, both Y-chromosome and mtDNA data support an Upper Paleolithic rather than Middle Paleolithic settlement of the archipelago.

Other studies have shown that mtDNA haplogroups M and U are common in the Indian subcontinent, and both have coalescence times of 50,000–70,000 years (Quintana-Murci et al. 1999; Kivisild et al. 1999a, 1999b, 2003). This has been taken as a genetic signature for an “early” (i.e., Middle Paleolithic) colonization of South Asia by modern humans and, consequently, as a confirmation of the “southern route” hypothesis. However, in South Asia, the earliest evidence of modern human industries and remains is dated to ~30,000 years (Kennedy and Deraniyagala 1989; Misra 2001). Because earlier records from Neanderthal-like technologies are found in South Asia (Misra 2001), the absence of modern human traces does not seem to be due to a gap in the archeological record. How to explain a gap of at least 20,000 years long between the archeological and genetic evidence? The coalescence time of haplogroup U in Europe is also dated to 50,000–60,000 years (Richards et al. 2000), but the accepted time scale of the peopling of Europe by modern humans is 35,000–40,000 years ago (Bocquet-Appel and Demars 2000). If so, why should South Asia, but not Europe, be considered to have been colonized 50,000–70,000 years ago? The observed timing discrepancies between genetic and archeological estimates are simply explained by the fact that the divergence of genes predates that of populations (Barbujani et al. 1998). Consequently, the evidence for a Middle Paleolithic colonization of the Indian subcontinent provided by mtDNA studies and the genetic confirmation of the “southern route” hypothesis are all the more debatable.

What conclusive genetic evidence remains for the “southern route” hypothesis? If the Indian subcontinent had received migrants from this putative migration from Africa to the Sahul, it would be reasonable to expect at least some remote affinities between African, Indian, Australian, and/or Papua-New-Guinean (PNG) gene pools. Unfortunately, to date, most studies aimed at detecting traces of an ancient peopling of South Asia through the southern route have not compared the Indian data in a wider context, in particular with people (except Africans) from regions believed to have been involved in the “southern route” migration. Alu insertions data are interpreted as supporting an ancient African-PNG relationship, but India is not a part of this relationship (Stoneking et al. 1997). Y-chromosome and mtDNA data suggest a connection between the Indian subcontinent and Australia, which is, however, dated to <5,000 years (Redd and Stoneking 1999; Redd et al. 2002; Cordaux et al. 2003). Thangaraj et al. (2003) suggest a possible common origin for the inhabitants of the Andaman Islands and PNG, on the basis of high frequencies of mtDNA 16357C in these two areas only. However, we note that 16357C in Andamanese mtDNAs occurs on the background of 16223T and 16319A, corresponding to haplogroup M (Endicott et al. 2003; Thangaraj et al. 2003). In contrast, 16357C in PNG is associated with 16223C and 16319G (Hagelberg et al. 1999; Redd and Stoneking 1999), corresponding to haplogroup N. Consequently, the presence of 16357C in the Andaman Islands and PNG is most likely the result of parallel mutations and not a signature of shared ancestry. In addition, the putative original paternal lineage of Andaman islanders (i.e., Y haplogroup D) (Thangaraj et al. 2003) is not found in Melanesia or Australia (Kayser et al. 2003). Otherwise, mtDNA haplotypes in South Asian ethnic groups are most closely related to east Eurasians and do not show any particular ties to African or PNG populations (Kivisild et al. 2003; Cordaux et al. 2003). In addition, an mtDNA control region motif proposed by Forster et al. (2001) to represent a signature of an early migration from Africa to Sahul through the southern route is not found in South Asia (Cordaux et al. 2003). In summary, there is no convincing support to date for a Middle Paleolithic genetic contribution to South Asia by migrants from Africa to Sahul along the southern route.

If so, and in light of the genetic and archeological evidence, the most reasonable scenario for the peopling of South Asia is an Upper Paleolithic event (i.e., the major expansion of modern humans out of Africa through the Levant [Lahr and Foley 1994]), from which the current Indian gene pool is derived. Proto-Eurasians subsequently evolved to their present distinct South Asian, East Asian, and European gene pools and expanded ~30,000 years ago (Forster et al. 2001). Without requiring a Middle Paleolithic migration of modern humans into South Asia, this scenario explains why (i) most South Asian mtDNA clusters coalesce and show signs of demographic expansions ~30,000 years ago (Kivisild et al. 1999b), (ii) the South Asian mtDNA gene pool is related to (but distinct from) other Eurasian mtDNA pools, (iii) the South Asian mtDNA gene pool does not show close affinities to either Africa or PNG, and (iv) the archeological record does not show evidence for the presence of modern humans in South Asia before ~30,000 years ago. Hypothesizing a Middle Paleolithic migration to South Asia would create more problems than it would solve: it would, in particular, hardly explain the above crucial points iii and iv.

We conclude that there is currently no convincing genetic evidence that supports the postulated Middle Paleolithic migration of modern humans from Africa to the Sahul through South Asia. This does not necessarily mean that such a migration never occurred, since archaeological evidence does document modern humans in Sahul by ~60,000 years ago. However, it is possible that subsequent Upper Paleolithic migrations in Eurasia erased the genetic traces in contemporary populations of this early event in our history (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994; Cordaux et al. 2003); in any event, the “southern route” hypothesis still awaits genetic support.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180321/


20 posted on 02/06/2010 5:10:28 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: SkyPilot

65,000 years of emigration and it ends with one old woman’s dying in a govt-provided tin hut with an uncashed govt check for 6.8 pounds

Let’s hope the last English speaker fares better


22 posted on 02/06/2010 6:03:44 AM PST by silverleaf (My Proposed Federal Budget is $29.99)
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To: SkyPilot

Some primitive cultures I respect and some I don’t. This one is the latter


23 posted on 02/06/2010 6:06:51 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: Cvengr

“GO WHERE THE FOOD IS!”

I miss Sam Kinnison too.


24 posted on 02/06/2010 6:11:29 AM PST by Ditter
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To: muawiyah

Also, where do they get the “earliest languages” bit? It might be the oldest one we know of, but earliest I strongly doubt. No proof, in any case.


25 posted on 02/06/2010 6:17:12 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Miles the Slasher

stand-up comedy material


26 posted on 02/06/2010 6:21:24 AM PST by firebrand
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To: James C. Bennett

I can’t help but wonder if much of that “evidence” is as reliable as the global warming science.


27 posted on 02/06/2010 6:28:35 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: SkyPilot

This article is a report on Darwinian natural selection acting on the human species and natural selection in action.

The weak Adamans have succumbed to stronger and more adaptable individuals.


28 posted on 02/06/2010 6:34:21 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: Cvengr

The 5600 year thing has to do with writing. That means that since writing was invented we have both written and archaeological “evidence”. Before that we have only archaeological evidence (regarding culture, etc.).


29 posted on 02/06/2010 6:35:17 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: SkyPilot

Bo knows Bo ?


30 posted on 02/06/2010 6:38:05 AM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: SkyPilot
Boa Sr, who died last week aged about 85, was the last native of the Andaman Islands who was fluent in Bo

Wow, imagine not having anyone to talk to......but still surrounded by people.

31 posted on 02/06/2010 6:38:42 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I want a hoochie-mama for Christmas, only a hoochie-mama will do............)
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To: screaminsunshine
Poor guy. He could only talk to himself.

Whats even worse, I think he may have been a woman.

32 posted on 02/06/2010 6:46:37 AM PST by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: James C. Bennett
All of which is quite easy to say but still depends on a strong belief that people walked around Way Back When.

Once you toss in boats, and there's now evidence that even Homo Habilis had rafts, all bets are off. The human genome studies reflect little more than permanent settlement areas, not human routes of migration provided people could sail on down, or up the coast to better hunting grounds.

We also have the advances and retreats of great sheets of ice and massive glaciers to consider. Remember, DURING an ice age (that 100,000 year long period of maximum glaciation) there are INTERSTADIALS. These are relatively ice free periods where the ice sheets in the Temperate zones melt back and both people and animals move in.

Since interstadials are only 10,000 years long AT MOST, you could have dozen of these things and find little trace of them. The American Midwest appears to have had 4 different glacial advances during the last Ice Age ~ which would mean there were 3 interstadials of varying lengths.

Humanity would have had a very difficult time of it both during, before, and after an insterstadial.

33 posted on 02/06/2010 6:48:22 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: silverleaf
65,000 years of emigration and it ends with one old woman’s dying in a govt-provided tin hut with an uncashed govt check for 6.8 pounds

LOL.

Don't forget about the alcholism that helped destroyed her tribe (per the article).

34 posted on 02/06/2010 6:59:43 AM PST by SkyPilot
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That was my first thought, too. The last speaker of a language, over time, is likely to corrupt the language from disuse, or from one-sided use.

May he rest in peace.


35 posted on 02/06/2010 7:02:38 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: Claud
Thanks for the link. It is interesting.

Then there is the account of Lot, who got drunk after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. His daughters had sex with him.

Lot left Zoar and retired with his two daughters to a cave in an adjacent mountain. In Genesis 19:30-38, Lot's daughter who in their mind were taking responsibility to bear children to preserve Lot's family line, got their father drunk enough to have sexual intercourse with them on two consecutive nights, with each becoming pregnant. The first son was named Moab (Hebrew, lit., "from the father" [meh-Av]). He was the patriarch of the nation known as Moab. The second son was named Ammon or Ben-Ammi (Hebrew, lit., "Son of my people"). He became the patriarch of the nation of Ammon.

The Moabites and the Ammonites went on to become HUGE enemies of Israel, and were responsible for war, rape, terrorism, and a host of other crimes against the Jews.

Booze sure does lead to some bad ends.

36 posted on 02/06/2010 7:06:54 AM PST by SkyPilot
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And yet no anthropologist cared enough to learn the language. If the professionals whose passion is ancient people and languages don’t care, why should I?


37 posted on 02/06/2010 7:13:38 AM PST by whd23
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A local radio show compared the recording of her speaking in Bo with a song by Lady Gaga. Uncanny similarity.


38 posted on 02/06/2010 7:39:43 AM PST by Spudx7
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39 posted on 02/06/2010 9:08:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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When I’ve reviewed the math behind Carbon 12 dating procedures, I don;t find the reliance on exponentials in the logic to be more veritable than Scripture.

I can see giving credence to relative placement in a dateline, but I haven’t seen good science proving the absolute dating proposed by those other methods.

Likewise regarding phase shift in astronomical distancing. IMHO, there are quite a few assumptions made with the logic, which rarely, if ever, are consolidated in the expression of those datelines, revealing all the assumptions being made when faith in placed on their accuracy.

If you have a good reference which argues otherwise, from founding principles, I’d enjoy reading it, but also am amazed by the number of ‘scientists’ who fail to account for their assumptions when they accredit ages more than about 5600 yrs to anything.


40 posted on 02/06/2010 11:50:55 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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