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Ukraine Exit Polls Say Yanukovych Has Won Election [Pro-West Candidate Defeated!]
BBCNews ^ | February 07, 2010

Posted on 02/07/2010 10:40:07 AM PST by Steelfish

Ukraine Exit Polls Say Yanukovych Has Won Election

Exit polls from Ukraine's presidential election indicate opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych has narrowly won. Mr Yanukovych is given a lead of 3-5% over Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. President Viktor Yushchenko lost in the first round. If correct, it would be a remarkable comeback for Mr Yanukovych, who was swept aside five years ago by the Orange Revolution. He would be expected to make Ukraine's foreign policy more pro-Russian.

The BBC's Richard Galpin in Kiev says the result would be an extraordinary indictment of the Orange Revolution leaders' failure to deliver on their promises, which has left people deeply disillusioned. Mud-slinging Mr Yanukovych was a presidential candidate in the last election in 2004, which was found to have been rigged in his favour, sparking the Orange Revolution.

Yulia Tymoshenko earlier said she would take supporters to the streets He is now expected to change Ukraine's foreign policy - which has been pro-Western and anti-Moscow. Mr Yanukovych had secured 48.7% of the vote, against Mrs Tymoshenko's 45.5%, according to the National Exit Poll. Another exit poll, by ICTV, said he took 49.8%, against 45.2% for his rival.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; putin; russia; sovietunion; ukraine
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1 posted on 02/07/2010 10:40:07 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

More fruits of Obama’s foreign policy.


2 posted on 02/07/2010 10:43:37 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Steelfish

“narrowly won”

probably narrowly lost then. Ukraine is well within soviet union 2.


3 posted on 02/07/2010 10:44:38 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Steelfish

Tymoshenko was not “pro West.”

She is also in bed with Putin.


4 posted on 02/07/2010 10:46:17 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
The pro-Western candidate (the outgoing president, Viktor Yushchenko) thoroughly lost. The narrow win by pro Russian Viktor Yanukovych was over the lady prime minister, and ALSO pro Russian, Yulia Tymoshenko. It was a race between two pro Russian politicians following the miserable performance of Yushchenko's Orange Revolution. Sadly, the Ukraine seems to be going back to Russia's orbit
5 posted on 02/07/2010 10:50:57 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

“Viktor Yushchenko thoroughly lost”

so the ukrainians are perfectly happy wiht a russia that tries to assassinate their political leaders?


6 posted on 02/07/2010 10:52:13 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: GOPGuide

Huh? The differences between Yanukovich and Tymoshenko are stark. If she is “also in bed” with Putin, then Yanukovich was married to Putin in a civil “commitment” ceremony in Red Square during May Day celebrations.


7 posted on 02/07/2010 10:53:40 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Steelfish
>>which has been pro-Western and anti-Moscow.

Back to spreading the East V.S. West dialectic rhetorical Bovine sheeple herding manure for the benefit of the Fabian Oligarchic elite ehh?

Hmmm, what about this...

"TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men"


...now THERE's a good idea! Maybe we should try implementing it (and leading by example again) instead of reverting to those nasty old instinctive habits?
8 posted on 02/07/2010 10:54:34 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Steelfish

Exit polls show Kerry wins.

Recent polsters showed Merkel losing.

Beware the ‘news’ until the election results are final.


9 posted on 02/07/2010 10:54:57 AM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: GOPGuide
Tymoshenko was not “pro West.”

Well she was, until she wasn't.

10 posted on 02/07/2010 10:55:51 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Blogger
More fruits of Obama’s foreign policy.

Yushenko fell on his own deeds and was a dead candidate walking before Obama even too office. His policies were socialist and the Ukranian economy declined as a result.

11 posted on 02/07/2010 11:02:58 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: LomanBill

Don’t you think it’s rather hypocritical to champion governments as guarantors of our rights, yet claim that one cannot make observations about which governments are more friendly to our government than others?


12 posted on 02/07/2010 11:07:01 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SeeSharp

Nevertheless, the US has a lot of sway if we would choose to use it. It wasn’t in Obama’s mindset to allow a pro-Western democracy to exist there. If it had been, we would have heard about it. I’m sure Putin is thrilled.


13 posted on 02/07/2010 11:09:50 AM PST by Blogger
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To: FreeReign
Well she was, until she wasn't.

Well put.

Time for her to write a book and go on a black-tea party tour.

14 posted on 02/07/2010 11:12:42 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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We have lost a potential ally today...

15 posted on 02/07/2010 11:13:26 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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16 posted on 02/07/2010 11:13:37 AM PST by lizol
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To: Steelfish

Well duh! Why would anyone vote to be pro West when the Leader of the West, the 0 ,is busy throwing our allies under the bus and sucking up to our enemies?


17 posted on 02/07/2010 11:15:13 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
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To: spetznaz
a race between two pro Russian politicians

What WAS the election about in terms of policy? Honest question, -- I don't know.

18 posted on 02/07/2010 11:16:49 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: SeeSharp; Blogger
Yushenko fell on his own deeds and was a dead candidate walking before Obama even too office. His policies were socialist and the Ukranian economy declined as a result.

It amazed me how he behaved.

19 posted on 02/07/2010 11:17:11 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: GOPGuide

‘Tymoshenko was not “pro West”. ‘

Exactly. She is nothing but an opportunist.


20 posted on 02/07/2010 11:17:29 AM PST by SmartInsight (Scott Brown for President 2012)
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To: Blogger

I disagree again. Yushenko’s push for NATO membership had been very unpopular. By the time he began his reelection campaign any public support from the White House would have negatively affected his popularity.


21 posted on 02/07/2010 11:19:15 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: 1rudeboy

LOL!


22 posted on 02/07/2010 11:21:28 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Blogger

“It wasn’t in Obama’s mindset to allow a pro-Western democracy to exist there.”

Maybe you just need to pray harder for Obama — you are the one posting the “Pray for Obama” threads, aren’t you?

I don’t feel like checking, if you are not the one, I apologize.


23 posted on 02/07/2010 11:22:59 AM PST by SmartInsight (Scott Brown for President 2012)
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To: SeeSharp

And his rehabilitation of nazis didnt helped him either


24 posted on 02/07/2010 11:23:30 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: 1rudeboy

The BBC, The City of London’s ministry of Propaganda, has never championed governments as guarantors of rights for the governed.

Why did Ghandi have to make that Salt again?


25 posted on 02/07/2010 11:32:52 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: annalex

Many Ukrainians have the same feelings, I’m afraid.


26 posted on 02/07/2010 11:33:05 AM PST by lizol
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To: kronos77
And his rehabilitation of nazis didnt helped him either

Are you referring to the Ukrainian freedom fighters who fought against both the Nazis and the Soviets? I don't think giving them the recognition they deserve hurt him politically. What did hurt him with the ethnic Russian Ukrainians were his attempts to shine a light on the Ukrainian famine. I can't fault him for doing that though. Yushenko never had much popularity among that demographic to begin with though so it couldn't have hurt him too much despite the noise. The real reason behind Yushenko's decline is that he lost the support of his own base.

27 posted on 02/07/2010 11:34:49 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Steelfish

It’s not as if the US has Ukraine’s back anyway with the Usurper in the White House.


28 posted on 02/07/2010 11:35:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Steelfish

Both leaders are hopelessly corrupt.

The Obama administration is not directly responsible for this election, but they are indirectly responsible.

When Obama was elected there was a lot of excitement among the young Ukrainians because he was going to do away with “business as usual” and restore “hope and change” to America and the world.

The Ukrainians have seen, probably with more clarity than many Americans, that Obama is just another morally bankrupt ideological hack.

The same Ukrainians now have a “what the fork” attitude to politics. Does the party label make all that much difference when they’re going to rob you blind one way or another?

The Ukrainians I knew tell me they think Yushenko is stupider than a pile of bricks, BTW.


29 posted on 02/07/2010 11:41:00 AM PST by JusPasenThru (Why won't those knuckle-dragging tea-bagging right-wing bastards just negotiate with me?)
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To: SmartInsight; jan in Colorado
Exactly. She is nothing but an opportunist.

Nah...she is also vicious and beautiful. ;-)

Today was a loss for the good people of Ukraine, but not unexpected.

30 posted on 02/07/2010 11:42:28 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: JusPasenThru

I meant to say Yanucovich. He apparently is a very stupid man who has his strings pulled by Putin.


31 posted on 02/07/2010 11:44:34 AM PST by JusPasenThru (Why won't those knuckle-dragging tea-bagging right-wing bastards just negotiate with me?)
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To: SeeSharp

Yes, Nazis.


32 posted on 02/07/2010 11:56:36 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Steelfish

Back to USSR :-(


33 posted on 02/07/2010 12:33:39 PM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: Steelfish

Yanukovych is a devout conservative Christian Orthodox leader. He gets lots of points for that.


34 posted on 02/07/2010 12:58:04 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Blogger; All
You people who think you understand politics over there should read this at link below

Yanukovych supported keeping troops in Iraq - Yushchenko wanted them out
Soros poured millions into Ukraine to defeat him in 2004.
etc.

http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/soros-in-ukraine/

35 posted on 02/07/2010 1:03:58 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Matt_Rel

NO - it’s the US who is looking more like the godless USSR every day. Ukraine and Russia are looking more like Christian nations.


36 posted on 02/07/2010 1:05:19 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Steelfish


Yulia Tymoshenko
37 posted on 02/07/2010 1:08:40 PM PST by o2bfree (This president is giving me a headache!)
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To: eleni121

Fundamental to the understanding of politics is understanding that keeping troops in Iraq (or not) and where Soros spends his money have nothing to do with whether someone is considered “pro-West,” and someone else is considered a Putin lapdog.


38 posted on 02/07/2010 1:22:36 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Steelfish; dfwgator; lizol; snippy_about_it
In Poland rules the liberal party (in European meaning, not US) which has even 57% of support in polls after 3 years of governing. This is a party which supports maximum economic liberties and the less possible contribution of the state in the public life (I think Americans would call it “fiscal conservatives).

The question is why!
Why Poland is so pro-market and economically anti-socialistic?

Poland had the mildest version of socialism, where agriculture was mainly based on private farmers, which was unique in the whole of the Soviet bloc. The private initiative was the biggest social value and Poles always tried, somewhat clandestine and illegal, to be the masters for themselves and economically decide as free man.

Poland was never a Soviet-like economy with people totally dependent on those who are to decide, who are to manage, not thinking as free man and repeating commands of their managers. Briefly, Poles never got rid of managing abilities and privacy has always been their top imperative.

On the other hand, Ukrainians were never a free nation. Ukraine belonged to the Soviet Union where nothing was private. Communist Party managers were giving commands and all that workers could do was to obey. Individual thinking and initiative was almost forbidden - briefly: do what you are told to do by the party - that was the motto for the Soviet workers.

When freedom came and huge economic possibilities appeared, most people in Ukraine were not capable of using them because all life long they were trained as slaves, only to be able to listen to commands, not to create their own reality. Free state with free economy proved to be too inaccessible to them since they were mentally unable to create and take responsibility for any kind capitalistic venture. They began to yearn for the Soviet-like economy with big factories they could earn for lives as contract workers, not much, even pretty little but sure. This has become a big dream for many Ukrainians, especially elder ones.

Yanukovytch with his pro-Moscow, usually seen as pro-socialist tendencies just hit the nail and gained narrow electoral success, not to mention the fact that 1/3 of inhabitants of Ukraine are Russians. They don't speak Ukrainian and they have always declared hostility to the Kiev government and strong, almost 100%, support for Yanukovytch.

Therefore, pro-Western Victor Yushchenko with his free market ideology represented those, who already learned to benefit from capitalism, usually young ones, creative entrepreneurs with pro-independence and pro western views just became minority and lost elections.

Make no mistake, Ukraine is turning back to Soviet era while Russia with Ukraine inside may become a new threat for the West. (I hope not)

39 posted on 02/07/2010 1:26:57 PM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: Steelfish
Unfortunately Yushenko and Tymoshenko couldn't get past their egos and squandered the Orange Revolution.

I have to say though, Tymoshenko is gorgeous...


40 posted on 02/07/2010 1:32:25 PM PST by ksm1
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To: 1rudeboy

Your limited understanding of the region is not suprising given that you are stuck in a cold war frame of reference.

The “west” has been transitioning into a world wide State supported socialist corporatist framework for about 100+ years happening much faster in the last 20 plus years. If that’s your definition of “west” you can have it. Truth is you have no definition of ‘west’


41 posted on 02/07/2010 1:34:38 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: eleni121
Stuff it. Let me boil down your argument: the United States should favor the pro-Putin candidate (in other words, someone who will act contrary to U.S. interests) because 1. he allegedly favors keeping Ukrainian troops in Iraq, and 2. George Soros spends money.

You don't understand the definition of "West" because you've never been part of it.

42 posted on 02/07/2010 1:38:04 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: eleni121
Illusions! Russia is still ruled by ex-KGD operatives with the same communist mentality. Christianity, actually its Orthodox version, has become only a king of veal to hide the reality. Take a look at Russian military parades which still glorify Stalin, whose responsible for tens of murdered people. Is it Christian?
43 posted on 02/07/2010 1:45:39 PM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: Matt_Rel

Membership in the Russian Orthodox Church is pretty much mandatory for FSB operatives. I jest, but not too much.


44 posted on 02/07/2010 1:47:27 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: o2bfree

Would have been a model President if elected.


45 posted on 02/07/2010 1:48:13 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Remember the conversation we had some time ago? Apparently, we are not sophisticated enough to understand the benefit to the United States of electing a Putin cabana-boy in Ukraine. Because we are trapped in a Cold War-mentality, naturally.

Discussing foreign affairs is just so complicated. I suppose I cannot appreciate the nuance.

46 posted on 02/07/2010 2:00:23 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: eleni121

sorry for errors and typoes.
It should be: “a kind of curtain” , not a “king of veal” :-))
It’s much too late for me...


47 posted on 02/07/2010 2:10:42 PM PST by Matt_Rel
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To: Steelfish

Now Obama has something to crow about.


48 posted on 02/07/2010 2:18:00 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile

The margin of victory was the same as Obama’s. Wonder what’s the Ukrainian equivalent of the SEIU and ACORN are?


49 posted on 02/07/2010 2:22:34 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
Wonder what’s the Ukrainian equivalent of the SEIU and ACORN are?

Maybe they have Locals there too.

50 posted on 02/07/2010 2:28:30 PM PST by topfile
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