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Non-U.S. Citizens Voting in Portland, Maine - Public Hearing Today
WGME 13 ^ | Feb 10, 2010 | WGME 13

Posted on 02/11/2010 5:07:39 AM PST by como_1996

Non-U.S. Citizens Voting in Portland - Public Hearing Thursday

It is considered one of the most fulfilling duties of a U-S citizen ... the right to vote. In Portland that right could be passed on to those who are not U-S citizens.

Portland's Charter Commission will hold a public hearing Thursday on whether to extend voting rights to legal, non-citizens in municipal elections.

The Charter Commission is expected to vote on the proposal February 24th.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: newsomalia; newsomalia4bho; newsomalia4dnc; newsomalians

1 posted on 02/11/2010 5:07:39 AM PST by como_1996
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To: como_1996
NO.
2 posted on 02/11/2010 5:10:39 AM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: como_1996

They call ‘em Mainiacs for a reason....


3 posted on 02/11/2010 5:10:44 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: como_1996

Pretty much sums up the stupidity of the local government...


4 posted on 02/11/2010 5:10:49 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA, Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: maddog55

Are they NUTS ?


5 posted on 02/11/2010 5:11:52 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: como_1996

If these people want to take part in the making of the laws that they live under, i.e. voting for legislatures, executives, and judges, then they should become citizens.

Otherwise, they can just live under them and complain. Rights carry responsibiltities.


6 posted on 02/11/2010 5:13:30 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: como_1996

How does something like this even come up for consideration?


7 posted on 02/11/2010 5:13:31 AM PST by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: como_1996

Portland would need a serious ass-kicking if they allow this.

By extension, wouldn’t it be discriminatory to allow the vote only to non-citizens who happen to be within a geographic area ? By extension, if you allow non-citizens “here” to vote, you must extend the same “rights” to non-citizens who are “not here” (i.e., all people of the world).


8 posted on 02/11/2010 5:13:41 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Dallas59
They are suggesting the same here in Japan.

Caveats: But only LEGAL RESIDENTS, with gobs of paperwork and photo ID etc. required when voting, and only for long-term residents of Japan who have both Permanent Residence status (kind of similiar to a green card) and are Japanese taxpayers in the local Japanese tax system, but they can only vote in muncipal elections. It will not be allowed for prefectural or national level elections. The theory is, if they pay taxes and are legal, they should at least have some voice in local elections.

9 posted on 02/11/2010 5:17:55 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (All polls and indications are that **FREE REPUBLIC IS SARAH PALIN TERRITORY**)
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To: como_1996

If this occurs then the next step will be to allow foreigners to run for election.


10 posted on 02/11/2010 5:18:35 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

portland charter commission

http://www.ci.portland.me.us/charter/chartercommission.asp


11 posted on 02/11/2010 5:19:21 AM PST by como_1996
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The theory is, if they pay taxes and are legal, they should at least have some voice in local elections.

Wouldn't the same theory say that if you don't own property and don't pay taxes (regardless of citizenship) then you should NOT be able to have a voice in local elections that involve increasing and/or spending property taxes?

12 posted on 02/11/2010 5:22:21 AM PST by rhombus
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To: como_1996

IIRC, this is already the case in NYC school board elections.


13 posted on 02/11/2010 5:25:13 AM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: rhombus
Well, of course, theory is one thing. Establishe Federal and State law is another.

One cannot legally deny a native-born American citizen (or a naturalized US citizen) whether they own property or not, or whether they pay taxes or don't pay taxes or not , the right to vote if they are over 18 and legally sane and not a felon disenfranchised of their voting rights. We may or may not like that, but that is the law for now.

14 posted on 02/11/2010 5:33:08 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (All polls and indications are that **FREE REPUBLIC IS SARAH PALIN TERRITORY**)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Yuo missed the point , He was making the point if you accept the premise then you go down a slippery slope.


15 posted on 02/11/2010 5:38:16 AM PST by ontap
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To: ontap

Yuo+You


16 posted on 02/11/2010 5:38:39 AM PST by ontap
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To: como_1996

This dilutes and weakens the votes of American citizens. I would be asking why Portland’s Charter Commission would want to do something like that. Then I would be asking how to remove the Charter Commission members behind this idea.


17 posted on 02/11/2010 5:47:39 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: ontap
I see.

Probably not in Japan. But probably in the USA knowing what their agenda is.

18 posted on 02/11/2010 5:47:56 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (All polls and indications are that **FREE REPUBLIC IS SARAH PALIN TERRITORY**)
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To: Adder

Well Maine and vermont are the only states that let prison inmates vote.


19 posted on 02/11/2010 5:48:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: como_1996

Nothing to see here, just move along.


20 posted on 02/11/2010 5:53:11 AM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: CPT Clay

The League of Young Voters is behind this proposal:

http://theleague.com/me/portland-charter-commission-non-citizen-voting-rights-meeting

They oppose ID requirements for voting and are connected to ACORN.


21 posted on 02/11/2010 6:04:47 AM PST by como_1996
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To: Man50D
If this occurs then the next step will be to allow foreigners to run for election.

Already happened in 2008 - check the resident in the White House.

22 posted on 02/11/2010 6:13:28 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Agreed. Just pointing out the hole in the “theory” that says anyone who pays taxes gets a say. I pay a ton of property taxes for property in another state which I don’t legally reside. I have absolutely NO say in how those property taxes are spent. Like it or not, that’s the way it is.


23 posted on 02/11/2010 6:16:49 AM PST by rhombus
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Maine Young Voter League

http://theleague.com/bios

Why wasn’t I surprised to see the words social justice and political organizer in one of the bios....


24 posted on 02/11/2010 6:18:42 AM PST by como_1996
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To: como_1996

The Biddeford Pool section of Biddeford Maine is a vacation spot where the houses are owned mostly by out of staters. The Property Taxes were raised on these properties in a special election. These property tax payers cannot vote.


25 posted on 02/11/2010 6:21:11 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: como_1996
I want to vote three times, no wait, ten times per election. no wait, twenty times......
Hell, lets just make it an even fifty!
26 posted on 02/11/2010 6:21:19 AM PST by MaxMax (Lets get a sense)
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To: All
It's real simple: You form a CITIZENS coalition whose mission statement reads that any law enacted by voters who are NOT US citizens, are null and void. Further, any elected official put in office by the vote of non-citizens is ineligible for that office and any actions or dictate rendered by said ineligible office-holder are also null.
27 posted on 02/11/2010 6:22:27 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: Maverick68

In other words, force the issue and bring the glaring light onto the subject.


28 posted on 02/11/2010 6:23:25 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: rhombus

You should find candidates in that state or area where you have your property, who are Tea Party supporters and Conservative, and contribute to them, so you can help them to win, or get on the phone for them through virtual campaign phone banks being set up nationally in order for anyone to volunteer and “work” a campaign even from thousands of miles away. You will have a voice that way. I had a voice in New York’s 23rd by wiring both cash and ideas (some of which they used) to Doug Hoffman’s district...and I never even set foot in the place and don’t own so much as even a fishing lake launch there.


29 posted on 02/11/2010 6:26:17 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Name a SINGLE moderate-RINO type GOP candidate running for Prez in 2012, who electrifies like Sarah.)
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To: como_1996
I'll take a wild guess and say that the people promoting this idea aren't from Maine.

Likely moved up from Boston, CT, NY, or NJ a few years ago "to get away from the rat race".

30 posted on 02/11/2010 6:39:08 AM PST by wbill
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To: como_1996

I grew up there and left because of crap like this. Won’t be back.


31 posted on 02/11/2010 7:05:55 AM PST by Zman (Liberals: denying reality since Day One.)
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To: cotton1706
Rights carry responsibiltities.

That's racist.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

32 posted on 02/11/2010 8:00:31 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: como_1996

Ok, great idea(not) In turn, I want to be able to vote in the elections of say... France and England and Mexico.


33 posted on 02/11/2010 8:06:28 AM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: como_1996

And the balkanization continues. Non citizens in Maine are Somalis.


34 posted on 02/11/2010 8:09:34 AM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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