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Feds push for tracking cell phones
CNET News ^ | February 1, 2010 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 02/11/2010 8:58:30 AM PST by Cheap_Hessian

Two years ago, when the FBI was stymied by a band of armed robbers known as the "Scarecrow Bandits" that had robbed more than 20 Texas banks, it came up with a novel method of locating the thieves.

FBI agents obtained logs from mobile phone companies corresponding to what their cellular towers had recorded at the time of a dozen different bank robberies in the Dallas area. The voluminous records showed that two phones had made calls around the time of all 12 heists, and that those phones belonged to men named Tony Hewitt and Corey Duffey. A jury eventually convicted the duo of multiple bank robbery and weapons charges.

Even though police are tapping into the locations of mobile phones thousands of times a year, the legal ground rules remain unclear, and federal privacy laws written a generation ago are ambiguous at best. On Friday, the first federal appeals court to consider the topic will hear oral arguments (PDF) in a case that could establish new standards for locating wireless devices.

In that case, the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.

Those claims have alarmed the ACLU and other civil liberties groups, which have opposed the Justice Department's request and plan to tell the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia that Americans' privacy deserves more protection and judicial oversight than what the administration has proposed.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4thamendment; agenda; bigbrother; cell; cellphoneprivacy; cellphones; doj; fourthamendment; gps; gpstracking; lping; military; obama; palin; phone; privacy; privacyrights; spy; telecom; veterans; warrantlesssearch; warrants; wiretapping
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1 posted on 02/11/2010 8:58:30 AM PST by Cheap_Hessian
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Figures.

Track ordinary Americans, but not terrorist cells.

Incompetent, freedom-hating boobs.

2 posted on 02/11/2010 8:59:58 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls...



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3 posted on 02/11/2010 9:01:48 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
What is most interesting about this, and the author IMO intentionally left it out, is this question; Did the feds in past instances have a warrant to obtain this tracking information? Is the current administration seeking to avoid the warrant requirement through assuming that we have no right to privacy? It appears this is the actual intent of this entire argument, and would not surprise me one bit if this is the current administration's push.
4 posted on 02/11/2010 9:04:25 AM PST by carolinacrazy (Bow to your sensei.... BOW TO YOUR SENSEI...... www.jackassdemocrats.com)
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To: bamahead

I will go for this if I am allowed to audit all of Obama’s cell phone calls and e mail every day.


5 posted on 02/11/2010 9:04:42 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Note to bank robbers: use pay as you go. lol


6 posted on 02/11/2010 9:07:15 AM PST by j_guru
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Conversely, cell phone records have been ruled inadmissible in court to establish an alibi since such records only establish the device’s whereabouts not its owner’s.


7 posted on 02/11/2010 9:08:49 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Any man over 35 with washboard abds is either gay or a narcissist.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
"In that case, the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts"

I was just last year obama was talking about bringing up charges against Bush for tapping TERRORIST phones...now he wants to do it to Americans...again, this photo says everything anyone would ever want to know about barack hussein obama...the muslim.

obama



8 posted on 02/11/2010 9:09:44 AM PST by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Rush leading off with this one.


9 posted on 02/11/2010 9:10:03 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

There are many Statist Freepers that agree with Obama’s ‘no expectation of privacy’ rationale. I get that line thrown at me constantly on threads dealing with privacy issues.


10 posted on 02/11/2010 9:10:31 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Haven’t drug dealers already solved this problem with throwaways? The feds are soon going to push for limited-use cell phones to be banned, thereby closing the “Throwaway Loophole”.


11 posted on 02/11/2010 9:11:40 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: j_guru

“Note to bank robbers: use pay as you go.”

Or just take the battery out.


12 posted on 02/11/2010 9:12:14 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

pay as you go requires no contract, and they do not verify your ID.


13 posted on 02/11/2010 9:13:39 AM PST by j_guru
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

“There are many Statist Freepers that agree with Obama’s ‘no expectation of privacy’ rationale.”

I feel that way. Not in a moral sense, but for practicality’s sake. Anyone who thinks they have privacy on the internet or the telephone is an idiot.


14 posted on 02/11/2010 9:13:46 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

“There are many Statist Freepers that agree with Obama’s ‘no expectation of privacy’ rationale.”

In before the “if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear from the government” idiots.


15 posted on 02/11/2010 9:16:10 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
Big Brother wants to watch the serfs even more than it does now.
16 posted on 02/11/2010 9:16:27 AM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

mmmm mmmmm mmmmmm!


17 posted on 02/11/2010 9:17:06 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

There is a way to get those on the left to fight this.

California should announce that if the Feds can do it Cali can do it also.

California can then track the cell phones of all the Hollywood players who claim tax residence in no tax states - Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming - and prove they spend more than 50% of their time in their California residence. Then make them pay for all the liberal nonsense they push down the throats of other taxpayers.


18 posted on 02/11/2010 9:18:36 AM PST by anonsquared (TEA PARTY 2010 - THROW 'EM ALL IN THE HARBOR!)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

GIVE ‘EM AN INCH AND THEYY’LL TAKE A MILE EVERY TIME! WATCH OUT, AMERICA!


19 posted on 02/11/2010 9:18:54 AM PST by Paperdoll (PLEASE FORGIVE THE CAPS BUT I HAVE M.D..)
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To: Tublecane

Practically? Anyone who believes that in practice no privacy exists is an idiot. Wow, it IS easy to put up bovine scat in place of a real argument. And it’s FUN too!/s


20 posted on 02/11/2010 9:20:01 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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