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Autry endorses Fiorina for Boxer's Senate seat
FResno Bee ^ | 2/12/10 | John Ellis

Posted on 02/12/2010 9:38:03 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Former Fresno Mayor Alan Autry today endorsed Republican Carly Fiorina for the U.S. Senate seat currently held by Democrat Barbara Boxer.

(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobeehive.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: autry; ca2010; chuckdevore; conservativedevore; devore; endorses; fiorina

1 posted on 02/12/2010 9:38:04 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: Jim Robinson

Uhh, Jim. Something smells in FResno... and it ain’t the smell of a server melting down at the FR farm. ;-)


2 posted on 02/12/2010 9:39:17 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: NormsRevenge

As srtupid as Fiorina is, Getting rid of BOXER is more important

Better Fiorina than Boxer


3 posted on 02/12/2010 9:42:23 AM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: NormsRevenge


4 posted on 02/12/2010 9:44:43 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Mr. K
Better Fiorina than Boxer

Better Chuck Devore than either of them. But you're right, anything is better than box o' rocks Boxer.

5 posted on 02/12/2010 9:46:47 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM where are you?)
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To: NormsRevenge
California desperately needs a change (at all levels) in leadership.
6 posted on 02/12/2010 9:48:10 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: NormsRevenge

One of the pollsters during the Scott Brown/Mass election was on TV talking about Bell-weather cities/counties. He mentioned that they use “Fresno” as California’s bell-weather country. So this could be interesting — anyone know anything about Autry? does he have any pull in the population there?


7 posted on 02/12/2010 9:49:51 AM PST by bunster
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To: Mr. K
Better Fiorina than Boxer

They are both avid supporters of Abortion.

I'll sit this one out if they are the two choices.

Better that the Democrats get the blame for the mess California is in rather than Republican Party because of another "Arnold" Republican.
8 posted on 02/12/2010 9:50:43 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Mr. K

Maybe not voting for either studip candidate in the primary is in order. ;-)

Chuck DeVore is no dummy and his name will be on every primary ballot too,, but the folks running the Ca GoP will continue to be stukc on studip as long as they play the game on planned obsolescence or is it irrelevance so well.


9 posted on 02/12/2010 9:56:03 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Have followed 'some' of Carly. . .She is fact 'pro life' but believes - like Sarah Palin, actually - that change will not come from Federal Government. She believes in using all energy resources including the oil that lies off the coast of California. She appears by most counts; not all, of course; to be a fairly solid Republican in the 'best' sense.

No Repub, should accept the Progressive status quo. Get out and vote for your Party!

10 posted on 02/12/2010 10:14:48 AM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: SoConPubbie

Why can’t you think beyond a single issue?


11 posted on 02/12/2010 10:26:39 AM PST by byteback
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Better Chuck Devore than either of them. But you're right, anything is better than box o' rocks Boxer.

So right. However, for the biggie - Governor - I will not vote for Whitman. Let Moonbeam take the hit. I'm sick of RINOs being the ones screwing things up. While no jobs I don't see as many illegals standing on the corners. Let the chaos begin here & hopefully that will flush out many of the rats.

12 posted on 02/12/2010 10:58:32 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: SoConPubbie

Fiorina is pro-life. Look at her website. Boxer is for abortion any where, any time, at full term or not, at tax payer expense. I can’t understand people who dump on 50% conservatives and allow the 100% liberal to win for 18 years. Another Republican vote and one less democratic vote is very important, even if Fiorina is no better than the Maine sisters. Look at health care right now, or terrorist detention. With the Maine sisters, even though they are RINOs, we are winning.


13 posted on 02/12/2010 11:04:14 AM PST by pushforbush
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To: Digger

What-— you would vote for Moonbeam Jerry Brown rather than Meg Whitman? Unbelievable. A RINO is always better than a Jackass. People like you put Obama into office instead of McCain. How did that turnout for you? Jerry Brown is every bit a liberal socialist as Obama, and can further ruin and bankrupt California even better than Obama. And your are going to vote for him?
Here is what she told Hugh Hewitt about not raising taxes:

HH: One of your opponents, Steve Poizner, has said on other places he signed the no tax pledge and that you haven’t. Is that true? Haven’t you signed the ATR pledge?

MW: I did sign the ATR pledge. Yup, we faxed it in, and they have it.

HH: All right. So you are on record, no tax hikes under a Meg Whitman governorship?

MW: Correct.


14 posted on 02/12/2010 11:09:20 AM PST by pushforbush
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To: byteback
Why can’t you think beyond a single issue?

If we were talking about Hitler and the jews would your question be the same?
15 posted on 02/12/2010 11:44:35 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
If we were talking about Hitler and the jews would your question be the same?

Ah the Obama strawman logic. We're not talking about Hitler. This is a choice about whether or not Boxer is a better choice for Senate.

16 posted on 02/12/2010 11:47:24 AM PST by byteback
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To: pushforbush
Fiorina is pro-life. Look at her website.

My mistake. You are of course correct.

I confused Whitman with Fiorina
17 posted on 02/12/2010 12:06:13 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: cricket
No Repub, should accept the Progressive status quo. Get out and vote for your Party!

I vote for my party when my party represents me.
18 posted on 02/12/2010 12:07:19 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: pushforbush; Digger
What-— you would vote for Moonbeam Jerry Brown rather than Meg Whitman?

Hey Dufus, that is not what the poster said and you know it.

While I was incorrect about Fiorina, I am not about Whitman.

She is a big Supporter of Abortion and will not get my vote under any circumstances.

You do not reward evil and sleep well at night!
19 posted on 02/12/2010 12:10:13 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: byteback
Ah the Obama strawman logic. We're not talking about Hitler. This is a choice about whether or not Boxer is a better choice for Senate.

Ah, the deflection tactic.

Try answering my original question to your question instead of ignoring my response and moving on to something else.
20 posted on 02/12/2010 12:29:30 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: byteback; SoConPubbie
Why can’t you think beyond a single issue?

Abortion isn't an issue to some of us. It goes right to a person's character. If a person is pro-abortion, I wouldn't support them for any position. They are fatally flawed people and unworthy of my vote. Period. End of discussion.

21 posted on 02/12/2010 12:37:52 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: SoConPubbie

My question would be the same. I am able to juggle with multiple issues.


22 posted on 02/12/2010 12:57:32 PM PST by byteback
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To: upsdriver

I see your point now. Boxer advances your cause and you are happy with her in office.


23 posted on 02/12/2010 12:58:40 PM PST by byteback
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To: byteback

No, my point is anyone running on the Republican ticket had better be pro-life. Pro-abortion is the epitome of RINOism.


24 posted on 02/12/2010 1:19:20 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: SoConPubbie

Well, fitting ‘you’ is fine; it’s your vote. But if we all vote only the perfect candidate per our persuasion; not sure whom would win that one. Finding the ‘greaster good’ amongst a few; is a challenge; but by same token; we do not want the lesser man/woman to succeed; particularly when our Country is in crisis. IMHO.

(Am not voting in Californina; and don’t know whom I wouild support if I did; but would note again, in only for correction; that Carly Fiorina is not pro abortion; much less; avidly so. Do know, whomever is Repub Party choice; I pray they win!).


25 posted on 02/12/2010 4:23:44 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: cricket

Do us all a favor and don’t ever again compare Fiorina and Governor Palin as being the same when it comes to life, or you will surely draw some serious examination of Fiorina and her “pro life” credentials, that is something that you do not want.

Here is an example of why you should leave sleeping dogs lie.

http://www.redstate.com/trevino/2009/08/25/carly-fiorina-and-life-issues-unanswered-questions/


26 posted on 02/12/2010 4:37:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney and the Romney family traditionally, is at war with conservatism and traditional America)
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To: byteback
My question would be the same. I am able to juggle with multiple issues.

I won't juggle murder.

If you want to, go ahead.

Furthermore, as UPSDriver has already told you, support for Abortion is a tell-tale sign about the character of someone.

If their willing to support it or commit it, they cannot be trusted on anything else.

Their either amoral or immoral, you pick.
27 posted on 02/12/2010 5:15:46 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: cricket; upsdriver
Well, fitting ‘you’ is fine; it’s your vote. But if we all vote only the perfect candidate per our persuasion; not sure whom would win that one. Finding the ‘greaster good’ amongst a few; is a challenge; but by same token; we do not want the lesser man/woman to succeed; particularly when our Country is in crisis. IMHO.

Quite an extrapolation on your part.

Dis-ingenuous probably.

I stated one issue that is a deal-breaker for me and you equate that with me looking for a 'Perfect Candidate'.

Not hardly!

As I've stated elsewhere and as others have stated (UPSDriver on this thread), it's a matter of character on this issue.

If you are supporting the killing (murder) of an unborn child, what aren't you willing to support?

What promises are you unwilling to break?

What other moral issues mean nothing to you? Gay marriage? How about child abuse?

If I cannot count on you to protect the most weak and defenseless in our society, how can I count on you for anything else?
28 posted on 02/12/2010 5:20:33 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: ansel12
Please do not ask a favor/or is that a warning. . .on behalf of 'all' at FR. Like 'never' and 'always'; it should be used carefully; and if only a minus 'one' here; then 'all' fails. And more to point; it is a bit arrogant; and beyond that and perhaps 'most' importantly; I never compared the positions of Sarah Palin and Ms. Fiorina as 'the same'. I said, in effect; their conclusions were the same per how the issue should be debated and resolved.

Your strong rhetoric would imply a 'strong' case against Ms. Fiorina. Ironically; much of analysis at the link you provided, surrounds McCain's candidacy and his own questionable - dubious? - Pro-Life MO. That you use Sarah as well; as an arbiter per your challenge; when she in fact, is campaigning for McCain - and is 'proud to do so'; seems; on your behalf; just a bit contradictory or. . .perhaps hypocritical; or just a mistake (regardless, of Sarah's depth of commitment which we surely, all do know).

It is a bit much; in light of above; for you to challenge me for using names of both; in same sentence/breath! Doing so; surely stretches the conversation here.

Your link served up the following:

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In June 2008, Fiorina assured a group of politically active women (reported in some outlets to have been discontented Clinton supporters) in Columbus, Ohio, that John McCain “has never signed on to efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade.” Why would a pro-lifer regard this as a positive attribute to be touted? Why would a pro-lifer sign on as a surrogate for that sort of candidate?

More to your point; perhaps you should first, or at least, as well; ask Sarah. . .

. . .link cont:/

We are therefore presented with the strange spectacle, in 2008 and since, of Fiorina proclaiming her pro-life sentiments for the first time, even as she amassed a record of publicly delivering a series of cues to the contrary.

Sarah's commitment (versus Fiorna's cues) carry the greatest weight,of course; but that is not even the debate; save, that is, for your making it one.

29 posted on 02/12/2010 6:18:51 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: cricket

Autry? Who is Autry?


30 posted on 02/12/2010 6:21:57 PM PST by csmusaret (Right wing extremists: Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Paine, and me.)
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To: cricket

I’m hoping to be able to vote for your candidate if I have to, I really don’t know why you are trying so hard to annoy the pro life crowd and draw them into exposing her weakness on the issue.

I don’t know why you want to open this can of worms by continuing to drag Sarah Palin’s name in with Fiorina.

Why start a pissing contest between supporters of a famous pro life champion and someone that, let’s say, isn’t.


31 posted on 02/12/2010 7:04:55 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney and the Romney family traditionally, is at war with conservatism and traditional America)
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To: SoConPubbie
Quite an extrapolation on your part.

Look; seems the debate goes on; but it IS getting confusing; you have offered above that you were thinking of Whitman; not Fiorina. Have no clue about Whitman; and don't care to.

As for Litmus test; abortion is an imaginary 'freedom' of choice. It is not a liberation. It IS a stealing of life; and worse; IMHO. That said; while I think those who support abortion share an ignorance; do not'necessarily' think it is a malevolent ignorance. Nor is it 'always'. There are many, of course, for whom it is both. McCain is pro-life; but can we measure his commitment per 'depth'; say against that of Sarah Palin's. (No; but do need to. ..it did not matter; and it was other RINO issues; in any event or just an 'issue' that defeated McCain.

Whatever the case; we now have a Prez; who is not only pro-abortion; he is pro-abortion - no matter the age of the fetus; the baby. . .the child; the patient; the sick 'Senior'. . .he is pro-abortion for all who oppose him. Obama will, we already know; 'abort' families; our Military; our space program; our jobs; our bank accounts and savings accounts. . .our national security; our capitalism and our freedom. Obama IS aborting our Country.

This Dem/Progressive Compared to Liberal McCain.. .cannot be compared. And therein lies my problem with 'one' issue determinations per a candidate. That's all.

32 posted on 02/12/2010 7:13:39 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: pushforbush
Jerry Brown while a Social Liberal is a Fiscal Conservative and very tight with the Public’s money or used to at any rate.
Like Reagan he left a nice surplus when he left office.
33 posted on 02/12/2010 7:22:31 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: ansel12
Why start a pissing contest between supporters of a famous pro life champion and someone that, let’s say, isn’t.

Don't think I started it; but sensitivites are hot not only re abortion - of course - but whenever Sarah's name is mentioned. See no reason, however; particularly with FR 'MO' to ignore the ironies and contradictions when they arise; as they always do, of course.

I once mentioned that this response reminded me of what Obamanauts do; or something to that effect; and 'hell' opened up. Which only seemed to confirm - 'seemed' mind you. . .nothing more - and so, never mind.

I voted McCain/Palin; so guess I can go there, in any event. And much of the vitriol comes from those who did not. But not going there either. . .at least, not again. ..or at least not tonight/sigh.

34 posted on 02/12/2010 7:41:58 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: csmusaret
Autry? Who is Autry?

Don't know. 'Gene'. ..Son of Gene? Did not look; but it WAS 'his' picture. Or his Dad's/lol. . .(guess it could be Gene!) Will go back and look. . .tomorrow/lol.

35 posted on 02/12/2010 7:44:30 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: cricket; SoConPubbie

Good gosh, now I remember who you are, you are the pro immigration, pro Mitt Romney, indifferent to abortion liberal, that doesn’t even live in California.

You drag Palin in with Romney and now Fiorina and try to blend them together on abortion, you probably believe that Reagan was “adamantly pro choice” like Romney tries to tell people. I do know that you are incredibly long winded and bland in your politics, I have no idea why you bother with a conservative site.

“””Thought; in basic ‘context’; had made myself fairly clear; but okay. . .and perhaps, in more words than necessary/sigh. . .(and again offered; only because Sarah may not ‘be there’ and we can duly note; neither may Mitt - but he does stand as current and most popular foil and Conservative nemesis.)
Political opportunism is a fact of politics and falls on both sides - (of course, one side, absolutely survives on it) and keeping in mind Romney’s Constituency, can see why he comes appears too close to ‘splitting hairs’ - when push comes to shove. Given that he believes, as does Sarah Palin; that it is a ‘States Rights’ issue; as President; think there is little question that he would adhere to Roe v. Wade - in the same way as would Palin.”””


36 posted on 02/12/2010 7:49:38 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney and the Romney family traditionally, is at war with conservatism and traditional America)
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To: cricket; SoConPubbie

I forgot, you also (sigh) a lot in your posts.


37 posted on 02/12/2010 7:51:10 PM PST by ansel12 (Mitt Romney and the Romney family traditionally, is at war with conservatism and traditional America)
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To: SoConPubbie

Your head must explode with all the props. What do you do with more than one issue? Complexity of an issue is obviously waaaaaay beyond your capability. Do you justify killing babies when a women is raped? Is that ok or not?


38 posted on 02/12/2010 8:44:15 PM PST by byteback
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To: ansel12
Well; you are clever; but not clever enough. Am not a Liberal; nor 'pro-abortion'; and am still waiting for a Repub candidate to declare that I can be enthused about. Will that be Palin? Not if she is a 'third Party' by 2012. And as of yet; she does not know if or when. Meantime; others out there. Jeb Bush; but more than doubtful. Ryan in Wisconsin and a few others moving along. Supporting Marco Rubio in Florida and Lt. Col. Allen West and contribute to Conservative causes onIy - save for Scott Brown; who was an absolute necessity.

Other than being fired from HP; know little of Carly; except what I saw of her on Glenn Beck this week. Was impressed; but preferred the 'other guest'; who was on Beck as well; and running for same seat. Nope; cannot remember his name; but will find it.

Meantime; Sarah supports McCain (don't like it; why not-a-RINO, J.D.Holingworth?) Meantime, Romney and Scott Brown of same cloth; but Brown, too; campaigning for McCain (and not J.D.) and so along with Palin as well. Can you explain - if even mention/name these strange bedfellows? Guess not. . .

Sigh/double sigh! (Ignorance does make me tired; albeit my own; which I can 'usually' handle. More; it is the ignorance of others that makes me really tired.) /lol/(yep; I laugh often as well.)

39 posted on 02/12/2010 10:02:56 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: cricket

Autry played Bubba a long time ago on TV. I think the series was In The Heat of The Night. My point though was this started out talking about Autry’s endorsement, but Autry quickly disappeared from the discussion.


40 posted on 02/13/2010 4:47:14 AM PST by csmusaret (Right wing extremists: Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Paine, and me.)
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To: csmusaret
My point though was this started out talking about Autry’s endorsement, but Autry quickly disappeared from the discussion.

LOL. . .forgot about that; simply responded with a correction/defense re Fiorina per her at least, 'official' pro-life position. . .and by shared associations with McCain; mentioned 'S----h'.

That said; does not take much to get off track with many who; despite S----h's political associations; will not tolerate her name mentioned with any of them

And yes, back to Carly and endorsement and it's impact. . .

41 posted on 02/13/2010 7:20:25 AM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: byteback
Your head must explode with all the props. What do you do with more than one issue? Complexity of an issue is obviously waaaaaay beyond your capability. Do you justify killing babies when a women is raped? Is that ok or not?

Your kidding right?

You believe that the rape of a woman gives that woman the right to MURDER the baby?

You really need to take a look at your values.

The so-called complexity of this issue is a function of your lack of resoluteness where morality is concerned.

There is not complexity, only you wanting to give somebody an excuse for not handling a horrible situation in a manner that is righteous.

With the banality of your position, you promote the emotional well-being of the mother above the life of the baby.

Where is your conscience?
42 posted on 02/13/2010 4:17:53 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: cricket
As for Litmus test; abortion is an imaginary 'freedom' of choice. It is not a liberation. It IS a stealing of life; and worse; IMHO. That said; while I think those who support abortion share an ignorance; do not'necessarily' think it is a malevolent ignorance. Nor is it 'always'. There are many, of course, for whom it is both. McCain is pro-life; but can we measure his commitment per 'depth'; say against that of Sarah Palin's. (No; but do need to. ..it did not matter; and it was other RINO issues; in any event or just an 'issue' that defeated McCain.

Ignorance?

Only if you believe people are truly stupid.

You don't agree to the killing of a baby, unborn or not, and not be aware of your choice.

God gave everyone a conscience.

And I can guarantee you, any politician who gets into the ring has had a chance to thoroughly vet their positions in their own minds.

Weak excuse on your part.
43 posted on 02/13/2010 4:26:06 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I ‘measure’ evil by levels of ignorance.


44 posted on 02/13/2010 6:57:53 PM PST by cricket (Proud to be in the 'Party of NO')
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To: SoConPubbie
But YOU on the other hand would not vote for a person who believes that partial birth abortion should be outlawed because she doesn't go the the full way. YOU would ratherhave a woman in office who SUPPORTS partial birth abortion.

Where are YOUR morals???????????????

45 posted on 02/13/2010 7:18:43 PM PST by byteback
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To: byteback
But YOU on the other hand would not vote for a person who believes that partial birth abortion should be outlawed because she doesn't go the the full way. YOU would ratherhave a woman in office who SUPPORTS partial birth abortion. Where are YOUR morals???????????????

Since Partial-Birth Abortion is a very limited procedure, there are very few done in the US in comparison to the total, what have you gained?

Not much.

And while I applaud Whitman on this little movement on her part in the right position, she still is in support of a position that allows for the Murder of un-born children.

This qualifies as a distinction without difference, and I dare say, is mere political posturing on the part of a politician who still thinks it is ok to murder a baby probably up till either the final month or something less.

She is still a moral-less person.

Sorry, put up a candidate who is more main-stream Pro-Life, much as Fiorina is now presenting herself as, and you might actually have had a point.
46 posted on 02/13/2010 7:47:16 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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