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Troops: Strict war rules slow Afghan offensive (Obama handicaps our troops against the enemies)
MSNBC ^ | 2/15/2010 | AP

Posted on 02/15/2010 4:22:28 PM PST by tobyhill

Some American and Afghan troops say they're fighting the latest offensive in Afghanistan with a handicap — strict rules that routinely force them to hold their fire.

Although details of the new guidelines are classified to keep insurgents from reading them, U.S. troops say the Taliban are keenly aware of the restrictions.

"I understand the reason behind it, but it's so hard to fight a war like this," said Lance Cpl. Travis Anderson, 20, of Altoona, Iowa. "They're using our rules of engagement against us," he said, adding that his platoon had repeatedly seen men drop their guns into ditches and walk away to blend in with civilians.

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1 posted on 02/15/2010 4:22:28 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

i’m not surprised. grrr.


2 posted on 02/15/2010 4:25:37 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

“The aim of the operation is not to kill militants,”

Why the F are we still there?


3 posted on 02/15/2010 4:27:57 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
God bless our troops. I pray that the citizens rat out the bastards!
4 posted on 02/15/2010 4:28:51 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed! I support Marco Rubio 2010)
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To: goodtomato
“They acknowledge that the rules entail risk to its troops,”

So now our troops don’t matter to their so-called leaders?

5 posted on 02/15/2010 4:33:47 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

They must all want to be buried in an Obama T-shirt.


6 posted on 02/15/2010 4:34:06 PM PST by RepublicanMeansAmerican
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

The military should NOT put up with this. The Pentagon should just declare to the Kenyan Usurper that the military’s OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION is paramount — and that all “presidential” orders will now be evaluated within that context. If there is a conflict between what Barry wants and what the OATH requires, then the OATH should win.


7 posted on 02/15/2010 4:36:22 PM PST by USALiberty
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To: tobyhill
It’s difficult to say who is responsible: the Obama Administration, General McChrystal or both.
8 posted on 02/15/2010 4:36:42 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: tobyhill
"So now our troops don’t matter to their so-called leaders?"

Obama is an abject coward not a leader. All he cares about is his sorry ass.

9 posted on 02/15/2010 4:38:34 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: tobyhill

“NATO and Afghan military officials say killing militants is not the goal . . . More important is to win public support.”

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe this was the strategy we used to gain unconditional surrender from Germany and Japan. /sarcasm


10 posted on 02/15/2010 4:43:34 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: tobyhill
"They're using our rules of engagement against us." - Lance Cpl. Travis Anderson... adding that his platoon had repeatedly seen men drop their guns into ditches and walk away to blend in with civilians.

That's a marked change from the battle of Fallujah, Iraq in November 2004. When Marines there encountered snipers holed up in a building, they routinely called in airstrikes. In Marjah, fighter jets are flying at low altitude in a show of force, but are not firing missiles.

We endured this kind of BS in Beirut, where many men died without a chance and for no reason at all. I had hoped we'd never see it again, but this restrictive ROE is a leadership betrayal of the lives entrusted to them.

11 posted on 02/15/2010 4:45:12 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: tobyhill

President Karzi has demanded strict rules of engagement to keep civilian casualties, “collateral damage”, to a bare minimum. We are there to free Afghannies who are our allies from militants. It is in our best interest to keep the civilians on our side. This only makes sense.


12 posted on 02/15/2010 4:46:07 PM PST by awake-n-angry
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To: dagogo redux

If the goal is not killing militants—dumbest thing I ever heard. We know from Gitmo that most of them cannot be “turned”. If the aim is not to defeat Al Queda this is all a waste of American lives, time and money.


13 posted on 02/15/2010 4:49:24 PM PST by dools007
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To: awake-n-angry
but it is not wise to put our troops at unnecessary risk because they can't fire back even if firing back means civilians accidentally get killed.

Contrary to what Murtha said, our troops don't murder innocent civilians in cold blood.

14 posted on 02/15/2010 4:52:23 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: bwc2221
"It’s difficult to say who is responsible."

No. It isn't.

15 posted on 02/15/2010 4:53:03 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: tobyhill

16 posted on 02/15/2010 5:01:54 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: dagogo redux
Here is what we did to Tokyo to gain their cooperation:
17 posted on 02/15/2010 5:08:19 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: garjog

I long for old school warfare.


18 posted on 02/15/2010 5:10:16 PM PST by Nachoman (Think of life as an adventure you don't survive.)
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To: tobyhill

To show that our president is being Tough and has a heart. My son is headed over there. I was all for him going B.S.(before Soetoro. I am not any more. This Rules of nonEngagement are insane.


19 posted on 02/15/2010 5:38:29 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: tobyhill

Individual lives of simply do not matter to leftists other than for their political value. With these rules Soetoro is telling the enemy that he is really on their side but has to go through the motions of fighting them in order to keep his job to be able to continue to promote eventual universal sharia.


20 posted on 02/15/2010 5:41:19 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: bwc2221

The General is the agent of the Administration and is following orders.


21 posted on 02/15/2010 5:42:19 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Nachoman
That is the way we did it in Vietnam.

But stupid can not learn from past mistakes.

22 posted on 02/15/2010 5:59:51 PM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: tobyhill

Where these ROE’s also in place during Bush’s terms in office?


23 posted on 02/15/2010 6:01:06 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: tobyhill

Were these ROE’s also in place during Bush’s terms in office?


24 posted on 02/15/2010 6:01:26 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: garjog

Damn right. Bravo for reminding us.


25 posted on 02/15/2010 6:02:42 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: John-Irish

Yes,and they seemed to change every day.It made things tuff,I was in Tikrit March 2003-2004.


26 posted on 02/15/2010 6:30:35 PM PST by Hotmetal (Lead,follow,or get the Hell out of the way.554th REDHORSE)
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To: Hotmetal

Well God Bless you and thank you for your service. Were you Army? I can’t imagine your being hobbled like this. It’s beyond insane. Desk-bound bureaucrats and politically-correct pencil-necks who’ve never been where the rubber meets the road and they presume to tell a soldier how and when he/she can fight. Amazing.


27 posted on 02/15/2010 6:40:39 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: tobyhill

This reminds me of the air war in Vietnam. Rats every time.


28 posted on 02/15/2010 8:52:34 PM PST by Eaglefixer
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