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Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty
London Daily Telegraph, U.K. ^ | Tuesday February 16, 2010 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 02/16/2010 1:04:10 PM PST by jpl

The council of EU finance ministers said Athens must comply with austerity demands by March 16 or lose control over its own tax and spend policies altogether. It if fails to do so, the EU will itself impose cuts under the draconian Article 126.9 of the Lisbon Treaty in what would amount to economic suzerainty.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; europeanunion; greece; socialismsucks
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Wow. What a rotten situation Europe finds itself in.
1 posted on 02/16/2010 1:04:10 PM PST by jpl
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To: jpl

The EU is evil. Leave now, Greece.


2 posted on 02/16/2010 1:05:52 PM PST by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: rintense
The EU is evil. Leave now, Greece.

Best post on this topic I've seen so far.

3 posted on 02/16/2010 1:07:33 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: jpl

tick, tick, tick. BOOM!


4 posted on 02/16/2010 1:07:38 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: jpl

Oh, Suzerainty,
Don’t you cry for me...............


5 posted on 02/16/2010 1:08:20 PM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: jpl
I had to look it up:

suzerainty [ˈsuːzərəntɪ] n pl -ties
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) the position, power, or dignity of a suzerain
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) the relationship between suzerain and subject

su·ze·rain (szr-n, -z-rn)
n.
1. A nation that controls another nation in international affairs but allows it domestic sovereignty.
2. A feudal lord to whom fealty was due.

6 posted on 02/16/2010 1:08:23 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: jpl

“...Economic suzerainty.”

Like THAT’s gonna go down real well....


7 posted on 02/16/2010 1:08:37 PM PST by mo
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To: rintense
The EU is evil. Leave now, Greece.

Whaaaat? Greece spends itself into bankruptcy, elects a Socialist Government and demands the EU bail it out. How is this the fault of the "evil EU"?

8 posted on 02/16/2010 1:09:15 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

The BOOM was this afternoon..............


9 posted on 02/16/2010 1:09:15 PM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/16/AR2010021603353.html


10 posted on 02/16/2010 1:09:19 PM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: jpl

“...Economic suzerainty.”

Like THAT’s gonna go down real well....


11 posted on 02/16/2010 1:09:20 PM PST by mo
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To: rintense; kosta50; Kolokotronis

The EU is evil. Leave now, Greece.


Totally Correct! I pray that the heroic Greek people will re-discver that it takes only 300 not the EU!!!!!


12 posted on 02/16/2010 1:09:42 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: rintense

Greece is stuck. The alternative is Zimbabwe inflation.


13 posted on 02/16/2010 1:09:53 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: jpl

This is predictable. Stay part of the Euro, get a bailout but lose your sovereignity. Or voluntarily or involuntarily leave the Euro. It will be very interesting to see ow the Greeks respond to this.


14 posted on 02/16/2010 1:09:54 PM PST by C19fan
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To: the invisib1e hand

I believe in being succinct.


15 posted on 02/16/2010 1:10:02 PM PST by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: jpl

Shades of California’s future?


16 posted on 02/16/2010 1:10:15 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: rintense

Who then would subsidize Greece ?

The Greek government are the beggars in this situation.

More likely (though very unlikely anyway) is that Greece would be expelled from the EU as a deadbeat.


17 posted on 02/16/2010 1:10:22 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Ben Mugged
"... Whaaaat? Greece spends itself into bankruptcy, elects a Socialist Government and demands the EU bail it out. How is this the fault of the "evil EU"?"

Um, by making Dutchmen and Spaniards pay for it?

18 posted on 02/16/2010 1:11:13 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: buwaya

Perhaps that’s what the Greek government needs to become self sustaining. No good can come from the EU.


19 posted on 02/16/2010 1:11:24 PM PST by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: jpl

1914: Wow. What a rotten situation Europe finds itself in.
1932: Wow. What a rotten situation Europe finds itself in.
1945: Wow. What a rotten situation Europe finds itself in.
1973: Wow. What a rotten situation Europe finds itself in.
2010: Wow. What a rotten situation Europe finds itself in.


20 posted on 02/16/2010 1:11:33 PM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: buwaya
Who then would subsidize Greece ?

Hey, maybe they could call on Soros! He's Greek!

21 posted on 02/16/2010 1:11:50 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: Ben Mugged

elects a Socialist Government and demands the EU bail it out


If it’s true about Greece (it is not), then you can say that about the US too (which is true).


22 posted on 02/16/2010 1:12:59 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Red Badger

Greece is the most anti-American country in Europe, for no particular reason I can discover.


23 posted on 02/16/2010 1:13:20 PM PST by buwaya
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To: the invisib1e hand

>> maybe they could call on Soros! He’s Greek! <<

Nope, he’s Hungarian.


24 posted on 02/16/2010 1:14:12 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: The KG9 Kid

And the alternative is?


25 posted on 02/16/2010 1:14:18 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: C19fan

I always thought that the after the reunification, Germany was going to accomplish economically what it failed to do militarily. The Germans will rule Europe. Their problem is that they first destroyed it and killed off all it’s real men at Verdun, the Somme and Stalingrad. What’s left isn’t really worth ruling.


26 posted on 02/16/2010 1:14:40 PM PST by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Soros is a international finance pimp - a Hungarian Jew—probably a secular one.

Trust me he is not very well liked by most Greeks.


27 posted on 02/16/2010 1:14:55 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: jpl

I emailed this to my BIL in Germany. Years ago, I had warned him that this could happen, and he called me stoopid! hahaha

What’s that you say? ...I didn’t do anything, because I wasn’t a Jew...


28 posted on 02/16/2010 1:15:00 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Dutchmen yes, but the Spaniards are net recipients of EU funds. The people actually paying for most of the EU deadbeats are the Germans.


29 posted on 02/16/2010 1:15:10 PM PST by buwaya
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To: eleni121
Whic part do you imply is untrue? Socialist Government or EU bailout?

I'll provide references.....

30 posted on 02/16/2010 1:16:09 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: rintense

>> The EU is evil <<

Maybe so. But Greece under the Papandreou Dynasty has been an economic basket case, not to mention one of the most anti-USA nations on the planet. The Hellenes are simply reaping what they’ve sown.


31 posted on 02/16/2010 1:16:17 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: buwaya

They have been socialist for a long time. They don’t need any other reason....................


32 posted on 02/16/2010 1:16:28 PM PST by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: buwaya

I cannot think of a nationality they actually like. Xenophobia is a Greek word (sorta like “Windex).


33 posted on 02/16/2010 1:16:32 PM PST by katana (Interesting Times)
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To: the invisib1e hand

He’s actually a Hungarian Jew. His real last name is Schwartz.


34 posted on 02/16/2010 1:16:57 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Camelot sleeps with the fishes!)
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To: Ben Mugged

Kick their broke no Drachma-having asses out of the EU.


35 posted on 02/16/2010 1:17:08 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: henkster

As a casual observer, it seems Europe is run like a family with the Germans playing the whipped husband continuously writing the checks for the wife, France, and the wife passing along some of the money to the kids, PIGS.


36 posted on 02/16/2010 1:17:57 PM PST by C19fan
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To: eleni121

And was a young Kapo (Judas Goat for Jews during the Holocaust) during the war, if the rumors are to be believed.


37 posted on 02/16/2010 1:18:26 PM PST by katana (Interesting Times)
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To: Hawthorn
Nope, he’s Hungarian.

So why does he have a Greek name?

Anyway, I got curious (like maybe his father was Greek even though he was born in Hungary) and noticed this:

Father: Tivadar Schwartz (attorney, d. 1968)
Mother: Erzebet Szucz

Given that his pursuits seem to be at odds with the interest of Israel, perhaps he's one of those Jew-hating Jews.

38 posted on 02/16/2010 1:18:35 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: buwaya; kosta50; Bokababe

That’s the kind of statement that shows you know very little about the real situation.

Greece has been a faithful ally of the West and has sacrificed much blood and treasure to resist Fascism and Communism in three world wars: I, II, and Korea and the Cold one.

Let’s not even talk about its 1300 year resistance to Mohamedans.

So please if you don’t know what you’re talking about stifle it.


39 posted on 02/16/2010 1:19:13 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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Hey, maybe they could call on Soros! He's Greek!

As Greek as goulash.

40 posted on 02/16/2010 1:19:20 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: buwaya

What about Italy?


41 posted on 02/16/2010 1:19:29 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Camelot sleeps with the fishes!)
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To: C19fan
As a casual observer, it seems Europe is run like a family with the Germans playing the whipped husband continuously writing the checks for the wife, France, and the wife passing along some of the money to the kids, PIGS.

Very casual. And very ignorant of history.

There was a time when the husband went psychotic and tried to kill the whole family.

42 posted on 02/16/2010 1:19:42 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: jpl

Totalitarianism isn’t so fun now is it Greece?


43 posted on 02/16/2010 1:19:54 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: GOPsterinMA
What about Italy?

They'll be fine once they take those Crucifixes off their walls.

44 posted on 02/16/2010 1:20:17 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (yeah, you can quote me.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I am talking about post-World War history.


45 posted on 02/16/2010 1:20:23 PM PST by C19fan
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To: katana

Yeah Soros is a poisonous piece of work. Most Balkan Christians despise him.


46 posted on 02/16/2010 1:20:43 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I believe that Soros is an Esperanto name that his parents adopted. Interesting that Turkey has been flirting with the EU and Greece finds itself in such trouble.
47 posted on 02/16/2010 1:21:02 PM PST by madinmadtown
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To: eleni121

not to mention they have lived up to their overflight treaties without trying to extort more money.

part of the problem is the infestation of communists that FDR allowed to inhabit Greece as part of the post wwii planing.


48 posted on 02/16/2010 1:21:32 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Red Badger

You forgot the 1990s with the Serb-Croat war they didn’t fight.


49 posted on 02/16/2010 1:22:02 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: jpl

So maybe Greece can cozy up to Turkey and together they can join up with the moosies.
WHAT, Cyprus?


50 posted on 02/16/2010 1:22:09 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy.)
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