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Mark Levin: I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he
Mark Levin Fan ^ | February 21, 2010 | Mark R. Levin

Posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Sergeant Tim

I was invited to be the opening speaker at Saturday's CPAC session. I had accepted but then, to my amazement, I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew. Apparently, others were not so moved. That's fine. But it wasn't for me. Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago. And they're not a part of the movement. So, to give them a booth at CPAC was boneheaded.

I want to commend Bill Bennett for his wise piece this morning on the Corner. I agree with him.

I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he. It's incoherent. One day it's populist, the next it's libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it's conservative but not really, etc. And to what end? I believe he has announced that he is no longer going to endorse candidates because our problems are bigger than politics. Well, of course, our problems are not easily dissected into categories, but to reject politics is to reject the manner in which we try to organize ourselves. This is as old as Plato and Aristotle. Why would conservatives choose to surrender the political battlefield to our adversaries -- who are trashing this society -- when we must retake it in order to preserve our society? Philosophy, politics, culture, family, etc., are all of one. Edmund Burke, among others, wrote about it extensively, and far better that I possibly can. But all elements of the civil society require our defense. Besides, why preach such a strategy when conservatism is on the rise and the GOP is acting more responsibly?

Moreover, when he does discuss politics, which, ironically, is often, how can he claim today that there is no difference between the two parties when, but for the Republicans in Congress, government-run health care, cap-and-trade, card check, and a long list of other disastrous policies would already be law? The GOP is becoming more conservative thanks to the grass-roots movement and a political uprising across the country, which has even reached into New Jersey and Massachusetts. Why keep pretending otherwise? My only conclusion is that he is promoting a third party or some third way, which is counter-productive to defeating Obama and the Democrat Congress. These are perilous times and this kind of an approach will keep the statists in power for decades.

And what of his flirtations with Ron Paul's lunacy respecting America's supposed provocations with her enemies, including al-Qaeda? Why should such a fatal defect in thinking be ignored? Do we conservatives agree with this?

Finally, Beck is fond of congratulating himself for being the only or the first host to criticize George Bush's spending. This is demonstrably false. I not only attacked his spending, but the creation of the Homeland Security Department, the prescription drug add-on for Medicare, his "moderate" tax cuts, as well as his nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, "comprehensive immigration reform," and so forth. And I was not alone -- Rush and Sean did the same, for example. And as someone who fought liberal Republicans in the trenches when campaigning for Reagan in 1976 and 1980, I don't need lectures from Beck, who was nowhere to be found, about big-spending Republicans. But this is not about me, or Beck, or Beck's past drunkenness (which he endlessly wears as some kind of badge of honor). It is about preserving our society for our children and grandchildren. Beck spent precious little time aiming fire at Obama-Pelosi-Reid in his speech, and it is they who are destroying our country.

On as a positive note, I am personally happy to see that Beck has cleaned up his public act -- as best I can tell, no more boiling fake frogs on TV or pretending to pour gasoline on someone -- and the rest of it. But I do think his speech, which contained nuggets of truth heard before and read elsewhere, including on Rush's show and in my book and many other books, may have distracted from some of the more compelling and coherent speeches at the event, including Marco Rubio's superb speech. I fear the media will see to this. I hope not.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
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To: reaganaut
The vote was 92% for Mitt. I guess you can say the lds were bigoted against Huck.
1,101 posted on 02/22/2010 10:25:51 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: svcw

The vote was 92% for Mitt.

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exactly.


1,102 posted on 02/22/2010 10:29:17 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie

I was trying to be polite.


1,103 posted on 02/22/2010 10:30:55 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Sergeant Tim; holdonnow

Today on his show FRed Thompson mentioned Beck had said that there is no difference between the parties...

FRed said “Think judges, Glenn. Think judges.”


1,104 posted on 02/22/2010 10:33:07 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ejonesie22

well said.


1,105 posted on 02/22/2010 10:33:51 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie

Romney - Romney,
He’s our man!

If he can’t save the Constitution that’s hanging as by a slender thread,
No one can!

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ROFL.


1,106 posted on 02/22/2010 10:34:17 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ejonesie22; Tennessee Nana

Doubts creeping in?...

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That is my prayer.


1,107 posted on 02/22/2010 10:34:47 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: xsmommy
Many of us who are bemoaning the infighting like and respect both and just wish that the focus could be reclaiming our country rather than sniping at each other.

as i see it, beck is not infighting because he is outside throwing spitballs - outside both the democrat and republican parties - 'they are both the same'

1,108 posted on 02/22/2010 10:37:23 AM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: reaganaut; ejonesie22

I guess it can be scary out there without God...

Uncertainity, paranonia, windmill monsters...


1,109 posted on 02/22/2010 10:38:15 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

windmill monsters...

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Windmill monsters exist. I used to work for one of the big wind farms in CA, talk about SCARY! ;)


1,110 posted on 02/22/2010 10:39:21 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

LOL


1,111 posted on 02/22/2010 10:41:01 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: sloop
Ok, this is snarky - capitulations are our friends.
1,112 posted on 02/22/2010 10:41:56 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: Utah Binger

Thanks Binger.


1,113 posted on 02/22/2010 10:42:11 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; ejonesie22

Uncertainity, paranonia,

Like Barry without his teleprompter...

Like Beck without his Ross Perot charts...

SCARY.....


1,114 posted on 02/22/2010 10:42:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SE Mom

When a recovering alcoholic forgets the “anonymous” in Alcoholics Anonymous- trouble is sure to follow.

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Very true. I was talking to someone about this the other day. I really think Beck believes he is entirely immune to a relapse.


1,115 posted on 02/22/2010 10:44:23 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Ol' Sparky

Someone needs to inform Mr. Levin that the Birchers have been proven right on so many things. Their presentation may suck, but they’ve generally been ahead of the curve.


1,116 posted on 02/22/2010 10:45:30 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: sloop

as i see it, he is educating about principles and historical trends and cautioning that politicians from both parties are violating our principles. he’s not telling us what our principles should be, he’s asking everyone to decide for themselves. The bottom line is : ragging on Beck when we are facing what we are currently facing is NOT the best use of our time. Stop being petty about who is better and reclaim America.


1,117 posted on 02/22/2010 10:46:09 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: SZonian; restornu

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Thank you, SZ. I prophesy crickets, however.


1,118 posted on 02/22/2010 10:46:17 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
After watching him recently (can't do it any longer) I wonder if he hasn't started drinking again.
1,119 posted on 02/22/2010 10:47:09 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: restornu; reaganaut

Resty-
If you are going to trash talk me in the future - pls ping me to the party. I usually ignore you because you cannot put a coherent reply together.

Is this the forked tongued commenary you accuse Chrisians of?


1,120 posted on 02/22/2010 11:01:46 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: reaganaut
I was trying to be polite.

I get it: a PADDED 2*4!

1,121 posted on 02/22/2010 11:05:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sergeant Tim

If you’ve not read Levin’s book then you’ll never see Beck’s plagarism. ‘Arguing with Idiots’ was a Beck autobiography.

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oh Please I have bought serveral copies each of Mark’s books and given them to people to be informed

I just don’t understand why there is not room for all voices!

This knowledge was around in the 1980’s way before Levin’s book.

http://www.nccs.net/

There were courses in the 80’s on About “Making of America” Seminar”

Over the years, we have held seminars in many different places: schools, libraries, business meeting rooms, churches, homes, college campuses, city convention centers, etc. No matter the setting, when good people come together in the spirit of learning—people who sense that something is terribly amiss in America and they are seeking to know if there are better answers—a sense of peace and hope pervades the room as the story of the Founders’ message is unfolded to them.

We invite you to come join us as we discover the Founders’ original success formula for freedom.
http://www.nccs.net/seminars/index.html

This is not the only site I also apppreciate

Wallbuilders
http://shop.wallbuilders.com/

Years ago I got a video from them on George Washtington love it very much!


1,122 posted on 02/22/2010 11:05:33 AM PST by restornu (be confident in your faith; worry not what others say...like being a conservative these days, hm?)
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To: Brugmansian

Good post.


1,123 posted on 02/22/2010 11:10:37 AM PST by lonevoice (If Fox News is the only outlet reporting it, did it really happen?)
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To: svcw

tttt


1,124 posted on 02/22/2010 11:19:09 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: driftless2

Eisenhower was what the Soviets called a “useful idiot.”

We’ve had thousands of them.

You appear to be trying to become a post-soviet useful idiot.


1,125 posted on 02/22/2010 11:22:35 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: xsmommy
Stop being petty about who is better and reclaim America.

do you agree that everyone sucks equally?

1,126 posted on 02/22/2010 11:23:22 AM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: sydney smith; holdonnow

Levin is another pseudo-conservative

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That is not true do not mistake Mark discipline as being
Pseudo in matters of importance he wants to make sure folks get the correct information.

They each have different styles...

One who has learn to conform well while getting a higher education.

The other who is unrefined but still has the information.

I know it can drive the learned crazy

There is no reason the unlearned cannot be humble to receive council from those who are discipline for fine tuning!

Instead of this contention fine a way to resolve the differences!


1,127 posted on 02/22/2010 11:30:15 AM PST by restornu (be confident in your faith; worry not what others say...like being a conservative these days, hm?)
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To: sloop

i mean better as between BECK and LEVIN, since i see the various partisans for both going round and round, aimlessly spinning their wheels about who is right about this. i like them both, they serve different constituencies and both are doing yeoman’s jobs of it. it is wasting time to quibble, lets get rid of the dang socialists, TOGETHER.


1,128 posted on 02/22/2010 11:32:55 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: editor-surveyor
I’m sure you were looking dilligently.

Well, no. Supporting or refuting the John Birch Society is not an issue that interests me much.

1,129 posted on 02/22/2010 11:33:34 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: restornu; sydney smith; holdonnow

What?


1,130 posted on 02/22/2010 11:33:59 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: reaganaut
Creeping??


1,131 posted on 02/22/2010 11:34:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

I sincerely doubt Ike was a useful idiot. Are you a Bircher?


1,132 posted on 02/22/2010 11:34:13 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Elsie

Same warning for gold tablets.


1,133 posted on 02/22/2010 11:35:49 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: xsmommy
we agree that the enemy is not us - we disagree on how to defeat the enemy - i believe the only viable solution is to work within the republican party to change what is needed

i don't see beck as having any part of that

1,134 posted on 02/22/2010 11:36:44 AM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: Elsie

LOL.


1,135 posted on 02/22/2010 11:36:46 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: restornu
I just don’t understand why there is not room for all voices!

I can understand why you'd think this way...


1,136 posted on 02/22/2010 11:36:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I know it can drive the learned crazy

It appears that the UNlearned can be quite, shall we say, loony as well.

Speaking of LEARN...

1,137 posted on 02/22/2010 11:38:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39

Beck has done some work that is admirable, however one must not overlook the forces driving him and wonder what is his eventual personal goal. One must also look into those for whom he has expressed great admiration, such as Cleon Skousen.

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Agreed.


1,138 posted on 02/22/2010 11:39:40 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie

Elsie, DO NOT go there...

:)


1,139 posted on 02/22/2010 11:40:10 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

Would that be the same for Mitt?


1,140 posted on 02/22/2010 11:40:46 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: sloop

i agree that change has to be within the republican party, i am not a third party advocate. beck may not be fighting your fight or doing it your way but he is educating people about the situation we are facing in this country, people that Levin is not reaching and isn’t likely to. why expend energy denigrating Beck, go about what you think needs to be done or listen to Levin and agree with him and laud his particular methods while leaving others to go about it THEIR way. i do not see what Beck is doing as interfering with the Republicans getting the party to change for the better.


1,141 posted on 02/22/2010 11:42:17 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: svcw
WHAT?!


1,142 posted on 02/22/2010 11:43:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

Mitt has done NOTHING that could be considered admirable.


1,143 posted on 02/22/2010 11:44:39 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

STOP MY NOT GOING THERE!


1,144 posted on 02/22/2010 11:44:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

WHAT!!??

Why... he SINGLEhandedly put ScottBrown into the Senate!!


1,145 posted on 02/22/2010 11:45:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

You are correct.


1,146 posted on 02/22/2010 11:45:42 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: xsmommy
why expend energy denigrating Beck

because beck says i am just as bad as democratz - i will ask again - do you agree with that?

1,147 posted on 02/22/2010 11:48:39 AM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: MarkLevinFan; SZonian

When someone as unstable as Beck hungers for power, it worries me greatly.

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I posted this on another thread, but it applies here as well.

What scares me about this “pied piper” thing Beck has going is where does it stop? How soon before he is trying to influence people’s lives/thoughts outside of politics? How many are still going to follow him if he starts throwing in other ideas?

Cults of personality can be very dangerous.

orig posted on:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2456447/posts?page=68#68


1,148 posted on 02/22/2010 11:49:42 AM PST by reaganaut (- "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
The 10 or 12 or 9 million depending on where you read it.

How many are still going to follow him if he starts throwing in other ideas?

1,149 posted on 02/22/2010 11:53:23 AM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: Elsie

STOP POSTING TO ME TO STOP YOUR NOT GOING THERE!

JUST STOP!!!


1,150 posted on 02/22/2010 11:53:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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