Skip to comments.Mark Levin: I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he
Posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Sergeant Tim
I was invited to be the opening speaker at Saturday's CPAC session. I had accepted but then, to my amazement, I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew. Apparently, others were not so moved. That's fine. But it wasn't for me. Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago. And they're not a part of the movement. So, to give them a booth at CPAC was boneheaded.
I want to commend Bill Bennett for his wise piece this morning on the Corner. I agree with him.
I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he. It's incoherent. One day it's populist, the next it's libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it's conservative but not really, etc. And to what end? I believe he has announced that he is no longer going to endorse candidates because our problems are bigger than politics. Well, of course, our problems are not easily dissected into categories, but to reject politics is to reject the manner in which we try to organize ourselves. This is as old as Plato and Aristotle. Why would conservatives choose to surrender the political battlefield to our adversaries -- who are trashing this society -- when we must retake it in order to preserve our society? Philosophy, politics, culture, family, etc., are all of one. Edmund Burke, among others, wrote about it extensively, and far better that I possibly can. But all elements of the civil society require our defense. Besides, why preach such a strategy when conservatism is on the rise and the GOP is acting more responsibly?
Moreover, when he does discuss politics, which, ironically, is often, how can he claim today that there is no difference between the two parties when, but for the Republicans in Congress, government-run health care, cap-and-trade, card check, and a long list of other disastrous policies would already be law? The GOP is becoming more conservative thanks to the grass-roots movement and a political uprising across the country, which has even reached into New Jersey and Massachusetts. Why keep pretending otherwise? My only conclusion is that he is promoting a third party or some third way, which is counter-productive to defeating Obama and the Democrat Congress. These are perilous times and this kind of an approach will keep the statists in power for decades.
And what of his flirtations with Ron Paul's lunacy respecting America's supposed provocations with her enemies, including al-Qaeda? Why should such a fatal defect in thinking be ignored? Do we conservatives agree with this?
Finally, Beck is fond of congratulating himself for being the only or the first host to criticize George Bush's spending. This is demonstrably false. I not only attacked his spending, but the creation of the Homeland Security Department, the prescription drug add-on for Medicare, his "moderate" tax cuts, as well as his nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, "comprehensive immigration reform," and so forth. And I was not alone -- Rush and Sean did the same, for example. And as someone who fought liberal Republicans in the trenches when campaigning for Reagan in 1976 and 1980, I don't need lectures from Beck, who was nowhere to be found, about big-spending Republicans. But this is not about me, or Beck, or Beck's past drunkenness (which he endlessly wears as some kind of badge of honor). It is about preserving our society for our children and grandchildren. Beck spent precious little time aiming fire at Obama-Pelosi-Reid in his speech, and it is they who are destroying our country.
On as a positive note, I am personally happy to see that Beck has cleaned up his public act -- as best I can tell, no more boiling fake frogs on TV or pretending to pour gasoline on someone -- and the rest of it. But I do think his speech, which contained nuggets of truth heard before and read elsewhere, including on Rush's show and in my book and many other books, may have distracted from some of the more compelling and coherent speeches at the event, including Marco Rubio's superb speech. I fear the media will see to this. I hope not.
I question whether this speech is really for Beck's benefit than the GOP. "Look at me!" That kind of thing.
Thank you I am trying and it is good practice, something new I am learning that place that is in us to strive to continue pressing forward...
You should stop while you are ahead before you insult all those in the heartland!
Do you really imagine that any national talker does all of his own show-prep research? Just wondering...
Well if you don’t use teleprompter I guess you have learn what you are going to say and for that you have to have a repertoire to draw from which means the things you say have to be a part of you like breathing in and out!
Not all but those areas where one is passionate
What interest me is that he is talking about things I learn in the 80’s in NYC I have a wonderful collections of things I collected over the years from excellent used book stores of old books on history like 1st edition before revision set in!
Do you know the story on Christmas Sweater book which series it came from?
I have listen to Levin way before Beck and like I said Beck was the only one to talk about things I learn in the 1980 and I never met the man!
So did he break into my apt and steal the stuff?
Politics and religion are tightly intertwined in Utah. Too tightly.
Newsflash I live in Michigan!
yes - levin does - he said it last week - you can listen for yourself on his web site - its free - free as in no money required to listen to his shows
as i understand it, almost all the proceeds from 'rescuing sprite' went to the animal shelter in levin's area
I am really disappointed in Levin remarks as well as Bennetts for they put their listeners in an uncomfortable place when many of us listen to all for various reasons.
Making the listener to choose one over another or feeling the need to defending there is enough going on in the world without the clashing of titans!
Mark is right, thank you!!!!
I agree that Beck is great entertainment plus deep information. But if he wants to attack his base, alienation is inevitable. I hope he can strip away some independents, but this year — the indies are already upset with Obama. I don’t understand the strategy.
Beck has the potential to follow in Rush’s footsteps and go beyond. He’s the most talented entertainer on the radio, and he studies enough to earn everyone’s respect.
Beck is short changing himself, and I think it is foolish.
I would put Coulter as a professor and galdangit, Hannity deserves to be something better than star student, because I’m a star student:)
I don't get why everyone thinks the Tea Parties are going to result in a third party when every indicator points to Ron Paul and the Paulistinians. He was practically a third party candidate running as a Republican.
His followers have reached the level of a cult. While I'm very encouraged by the number of young people at CPAC, they love Ron Paul, and a lot of them think like Meghan McCain and want the social issues dropped from the platform.
As many of the wiser speakers pointed out, you cannot separate social issues from economics and economics drives foreign policy. They are far more likely to make an emotional break from the GOP over legalizing gay marriage and pot than we level headed mortgage paying Tea Partiers.
It is a very sad thing when people idolize a person who is not worthy of the trouble. To be sure, idolizing one man is a sickness shared by two distinct types. Ron Paul followers and Beck fans.
If Beck fans have a "sickness" (hyperbolize much?) than people like you who are literally obsessed with him to the point that you would post, what, literally hundreds of posts about him? Beck derangement syndrome?
Pot, kettle, black.
But we MUST hold both parties equally responsible. They measure themselves against each other. We must require them to measure themselves against the Consitution.
We are only as strong as our competition requires us to be. That's why we need two strong healthy parties.
We must hold ourselves responsible also, because we have neglected our duty as citizens. We folks don't take an oath to protect and defend, but we must still do so.
take your condescension and shove it
Well said, Sam!
I'll take you at your word that Levin has been hammering on these subjects for years? How does that prove that Beck "stole" from Levin? Does Levin own a "copyright" on these subjects and the incriminating evidence to support them? Weaksauce. I seriously doubt Levin got that information from his own original research.
Beck has stolen blatantly from bloggers, including Breitbart, until Breitbart protested.
Right, Breitbart was so pissed about Glenn stealing his material that he embargoed Beck's show. Oh wait, he was just on it a week or so ago. Next...
Becks book Commom Sense is a direct rip off of Thomas Paine. Most of the book is Thomas Paines Common Sense.
He pretty much admitted it was a "remix" of Common Sense for today. Boy, you got 'em there!
His Christmas Sweater book is a direct rip off of a book series of the same kind.
I didn't buy the Christmas Sweater, but he talked about the damn thing enough on his show that I know that it was an accounting of a story from his childhood. That's a rip-off of the other popular Christmas books? Huh. Who knew.
I don't care if people criticize Beck on his style or if he makes factual mistakes, etc., but you Levin fans are so far up his colon it's ridiculous what kind of contortions of logic you will come up with to slam Beck. BTW, I've never heard him run down Levin once. Let's face it, Levin comes across as a whiny little girl with his panties in a twist when he rants about Beck.
It would be MUCH easier to merely change the CODE from:
when accessing left-wing sites. Hit_Count
I keep listening to Beck for signs that success is getting to him. Afterall...his success has been huge, his touch golden.
I do believe it’s starting to show.
So THIS is where you found your cute little word - PROGRESSIVES - that you hurl against anyone who is not MORMON?
Gosh so you hate the Mormons...
...Posters be afraid be very very afriad!
I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
It works the same way with a certain MORMON that is in this thread; too.
Good math! ;^)
Thank you for that WSJ link. Most enlightening.
Most folks can't figure out what Joseph Smith learned to be UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANism; either; so don't feel too bad about it.
You are not constantly hounded, you post and I (we)respond to the fallacy and error of your post. Indeed I have never posted to you where I was the initial poster. THAT would be hounding.
If you do not wish people to respond to your inane and inaccurate drivel, quit posting it.
Otherwise expect a response and quit whining.
Romney - Romney,
He's our man!
If he can't save the Constitution that's hanging as by a slender thread,
No one can!
Doubts creeping in?...
When the deck is short a few cards; you have to play the others over and over.
Look at what is wearing an (R) right now. Deal with them and again separate as much wheat from the chaff as possible. 2010 should be about getting new Republicans in that steer with a conservative wheel (getting rid of McCain would be huge and a shot across the bow). But a third party will always be disaster for our fine Republic, and usher in another foothold for progressive socialism.I agree with you regarding a third party. Completely agree with you.
And after sleeping on it, this morning I feel somewhat differently than I did yesterday. I thought about what all the Beck critics here had to say, including Levin himself, and I'm changing my mind, somewhat.
If I come to believe that Beck is pushing a 3rd party, I will turn completely and totally against him. I don't now believe that. But I do believe that last night, when I was posting my arguments supporting Beck whole-heartedly, that I went too far. I no longer believe -- after reading many of the opinions here -- that Beck deserves my whole-hearted support.
The big time pros make it look easy. But then look at the lifestyles of the big time pros. The money is incredible but your life is no longer your own. You are completely owned by your profession, your reputation and your armed security team.
Who wants that? All for a few cocktail parties with the rich and famous leftists? Bleh.
Beck is NOT a conservative, if you knew anything about him you'd knnow what his political affiliation is and if you knew anything about Savage you'd know he is not a liberal. Perhaps you should investigate and get the facts before you post.
Levin has been implying this as well. It's time to put up or shut up. What did Beck steal?
I really hope that Levin isn't suggesting that his observations about the Marxist/Maoists tendencies of this administration are somehow his exclusive intellectual property.
I had an oak one, back when they wedre all the rage.
That thing fianlly cracked in places and if you sat on it wrong it would BITE you!
Madam; you are a PROPHET -ess!!
That would be QUITE easy to prove.
I predict (prophecy) that you will not do it.
This is a false statement.
NO one has affected your FREEDOM to worship at all.
If the posting of official MORMON quotes and writings are causing you to doubt: whose fault is that?
You blindly repeat Mark Levin's assertion that Glenn Beck stole from him and have the audacity to claim that others are engaging in idol worship? Back up your claims or stop making them. Look inward before accusing others of what you yourself are guilty of.
"There's no such thing as bad PR."
It's not that the OTHERS are so upsetting; but things the MORMON Organization® has said and printed over the years that are SO hard to ignore.